ECUnleashed UK
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Thanks much!! That map is really interesting. I started adding fuel values in the same range as your 10, 20, and 5, when I first got my PCV.Taffcd said:
This helped with the stumble of idle.
I thought the flash was to open the closed loop, but it does not look like it.
I am running close to the same now, but will make a few changes and use the cheap flash(short clutch wire) lol... and see how it responds.
This seems to close to one of Kee's maps, without the ECU flash.
Thanks again for showing this..
That AFR map is the stock/default AFR map the PCV for the XT1200Z is supplied with....
Furthermore, the Fuel map is crap! Never ever one should edit the values in the 0-1000 rpm range!
Get the bike to a decent Dynojet tuner / and or have the map redone by these guys, the FUEL map settings should be zeroed out at the entire 0-1000 rpm range at the entire trhottle%. Have them make a decent FUEL map. This looks like they just quick and dirty entered some values manually without any proper measurements/runs.
Furthermore, the Fuel map is crap! Never ever one should edit the values in the 0-1000 rpm range!
Get the bike to a decent Dynojet tuner / and or have the map redone by these guys, the FUEL map settings should be zeroed out at the entire 0-1000 rpm range at the entire trhottle%. Have them make a decent FUEL map. This looks like they just quick and dirty entered some values manually without any proper measurements/runs.
All I can say is that the bike is over 100% better, and as I'm not trained to use the dyno machine a bit of info would be very helpfull. I take it you are trained on these machine's? I can't believe that the ECUnleashed UK would give me a dud map fully aware that I would be posting up on here.Blue_eyes said:
Please enlighten me.
I also do believe you have roughly the same set up. Could I ask to see a copy of your AFR table or could you send me your map?
Regards
Taffcd(Phil)
Many folks have asked me to share my custom made maps, but I have decided not to share those maps anymore as a result of the bullying that has taken place. I do not want to have my custom maps end up in the hands of folks that do not deserve it (in my opinion), and the only way to prevent that from happening is by not sharing. Sorry about that.Taffcd said:
A friend of mine is the EMEA distributor and EMEA development and research center for Dynojet, and he has done most of my bikes, so I spent quite some time with him tuning my bikes during which he tought me quite a lot about it. So, I am no professional expert, but a very well informed and experienced guy with a direct source who is the professional expert on this.
I have yet to see a fuel map made the proper way on a dyno that only has positive values, and more so, values in such a nice sequential order.
Any custom Fuel map made on a Dyno using the sniffer to sense the O2 gasses will have both positive and negative random values in the fuel map. Furthermore, entering values in the rpm range below idle rpm (1000 rpm) is highly advised against.
Ask your tuner, why he entered those Fuel values in the rpm range below idle (0-1000 rpm range), and how he came up with these nice sequential values in the Fuel map....
These were not made by using the dyno and sniffer, they were just entered manually and are not based on measurement, but on "let's enter some nice numbers here and there".... so these numbers are not based on what your bike really requires in real time, but on human arbitrariness....
And yes, your bike will run better now than before, but that is not due to the map, it is due to the flash. Immagine what the bike would run like when they made a proper custom map for your bike.
I only want to help you and make you realize that they did not do a proper job on the map, and that you deserve to have it done properly if you paid for Dyno time. They know that, and if they are polite and honest guys, they will confirm this to you. You can let them read my post, and have them comment on this post. I have nothing to hide, except for my custom maps.
Kind regards,
Kees
Just for your reference and peace of mind, take a look at these maps that Dynojet supplies with the PC V and which you can download from their site:
http://www.powercommander.com/downloads/22-041/maps/m22-041-All.exe
Look at the fuel maps in the Control Center software, and you'll see what I am talking about.
In the bottom left corner of this screen, you can see the field where these files can be found/downloaded:
http://www.powercommander.com/powercommander/powercommander_maps_installs_product_buy_options.aspx?mdlyrid=22-041&make=28&model=118&make-n=Yamaha&model-n=XTZ1200&year=2011&mk=28&mdl=118&yr=2011
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Blue_eyes said:
Thank for your reply. I will certainly check up on this. I do believe I have on of your maps from the begining of the Arrow header experiment as I believe you have one I sent you from Hammer and Tongs my local cantre. I will have to pop in and have a chat with them.
again Thanks for your reply.
Taffcd(Phil)
Paulvt1
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The chaps at Race eng just replied to an email i sent. They'll need all my ecu details a few days prior to tune up and have the bike for half a day (ish). I now have to decide whether or not to have the work done - or use the money to add to any trade in for the Triumph Explorer, which while an unproven value, has a mega engine as stock.
yeah, but it looks like a dogPaulvt1 said:
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Give the man a break. Taste is personal. His choice is just as good as anybodies.big dave said:
yeah, you're right, people should be allowed to make their own mistakesBlue_eyes said:
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And some never learn........ ::025::big dave said:yeah, you're right, people should be allowed to make their own mistakes
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Paulvt1
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I do suggest you all try one before expressing the usual bias. In the space of a month i have ridden a KTM SMT, Honda Xtour and the Tiger. All are valid. All are excellent machinery. The Tiger combines the balance of the S10 with the power of the Xtour. It has a truly memorable powerplant as standard - a standard which it takes a lot of time and money in the S10 world to achieve.
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Whatever you decide I am sure you will have a great summer.
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I am sure the Triumph is a great bike, but just not for me. The S10 is fast enough for what I want to do, but I can understand the attraction of more speed.Paulvt1 said:
Whatever you decide I am sure you will have a great summer.
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Paulvt1
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It's really not about speed and power - rather the nature of the powerplant. The KTM had the hands down best chassis i have ever used. Stunning. But the motor felt odd. Just not right. I like the S10 unit - it feels better with more and more use - but that triple unit is so sweet. It's fluid and free revving - but still has a lot of torque. Not to mention the noise.
The things against the Triumph as a riding experience are few - however, i have a lack of trust in local dealers and the factory, who have been known to dismiss warranty work out of hand.
At the moment the S10 does what i want it to - that's not to say i won't be changing in the future. An open mind is the only useful one.
The things against the Triumph as a riding experience are few - however, i have a lack of trust in local dealers and the factory, who have been known to dismiss warranty work out of hand.
At the moment the S10 does what i want it to - that's not to say i won't be changing in the future. An open mind is the only useful one.
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Take the Triumph off road and you'll be looking for a 'whale-foreskin-lined adventure rally jacket,' cause it's a 'poser' in that regard. O0Paulvt1 said:
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my first comment was based on my opinion of it's looks, the second was made as a joke,Paulvt1 said:
if the triumph floats your boat then brill.
I don't take you as someone that's swayed by the opinion of others anyway.
Ride safe
Dave
Paulvt1
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That's cool.Sorry if i sounded a bit pissy - it was the booze talking!! Just done the Yamaha UK off road S10 experience. Im looking at the bike with new found respect now. Can't believe some of the stuff the ten can do on a pukka set of off road tyres..awesome.
I would agree, they are normally quite up and down, partly due to every bike being slightly different so when cutom mapping small adjustments will go all over the place, and also because the way the bike is by standard set to pass noise and emissions tests.Blue_eyes said:
In my experience many bikes are abit rich at the top (helps stop owners blowing them up by fitting race pipes before returning them to dealer with OE stuff re-fitted for warranty claim) and the mid range (noise / emmissions region) can be awful in stock trim.
Having said that the ECU unleashed map should have got the values about right everywhere ( by eliminating poor settings used by Yamaha for noise / emmissions) and I would guess the shop just added a shade more fuel evreywhere to compensate for exhaust system?
Still not how I want to go, I would prefer a custom map in the stock ECU, power commanders are not the best tool for mapping, the run in parralel intercepting signals and therefore always suffer lag, I know many are unable to even read the throttle position - it was like that on the ZZR as they only intercept injector signals and "work out" throttle position from what they can intercept (rpm and injector timings)
Power commanders are also unable to take into account the multiple maps an ECY may run, many have different steady state ad acceleration maps, a Power Commander correction will affect both - so which one is right when setting up?
Additonally some engines bahave differently in different gears, especially if they are Ram-Air motors so you really need to map each gear individually.
The other thing to consider is the dyno, inertia Dyno's such as Dynojets are not true "brake" dyno's and can only do sweep tests, these can trigger both acceleration and static maps (sometimes on same run) so the settings you obtain may not be all that correct.
My preference is for a custom map using the stock ECU (Where you can alter fly timings, ignition and fuelling - per cylinder and per gear) on a dyno that can do both Static and sweep runs (such as a Dynapro) which will allow allow perfect mapping under all conditions.
Hoping to be able to get this sorted in the UK with an ECU mapping specialist, the end result should be better than any off-the-peg / Power Commander remap out there and at similar cost.