Cooked Headlamp Harness

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My experience with the intermittent light failures started around 2k. Tried grease and would get about 200 miles before one or both would start to fail. I was always able to get at least one to function. Reported this at my 4k service and the tech tried the grease and asked me to watch it. The problem continued so returned to dealer 75k and it was diagnosed as the harness failing. They promptly ordered the harness which arrived in 5 days and installed it. I have a 2012 and ride with 2 others a 12 and a 13 that have had no issues. Seems like my dealer handled this fairly and did not have any delays in getting the parts.
please tell me that the dealer did not smear di electric grease on the problem.....Stop Stop Stop using di electric grease on connectors its an insulator......http://ftp.pwp.att.net/w/a/wayneorwig/Dielectric_grease.htm

and yes I know you been using it on your motorcycles since the 60's still doesn't make it the right...

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I have noticed that the connectors for the headlights do not fit tightly. A loose connection will cause corrosion, increase resistance and fry the wiring. The ceramic socket has little to do with the fix, it is the tighter fitting connectors within the new connector that are the cure. During my HID install I noticed the spades in the sockets were not snug at all and would pull out with the lightest pressure. A quick crimp of the stock female connectors and a dab of solder on the wire for good measure would likely make this a non-issue.
 

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Wistrick said:
please tell me that the dealer did not smear di electric grease on the problem.....Stop Stop Stop using di electric grease on connectors its an insulator......http://ftp.pwp.att.net/w/a/wayneorwig/Dielectric_grease.htm

and yes I know you been using it on your motorcycles since the 60's still doesn't make it the right...

Dan

Yes, Dan...

Dielectric grease is an insulator, but that still doesn't alter the fact that literally every single motor vehicle manufacturer in the world, plus every race preparation shop I've encountered in my travels, recommending the application of dielectric grease compounds in nearly all electrical connections throughout their vehicles. You need only pull apart a few connector plugs on just about any car produced in the past few years to see it smeared in the connection...

Why?

Because it helps preclude corrosion and assist in keeping any moisture out of the connection and electrical system. Due to the design of various types of pin, spade, clip, etc. type connections the application of such dielectric grease does *NOT* keep any connections from being made, nor "insulate" any two contacts from making electrical connection with each other. Swabbing the grease on the plugs coats the metal surfaces, but as the connector is pushed together the actual tension of the two mating surfaces of the connection *pushes* or *squeegees* the grease out of the way where the actual electrical contact is being made and the proper connection is made. This leaves the remainder of the grease to completely coat and encircle the connection, hopefully *sealing* it from any moisture or other agents that might allow corrosion to start. Corrosion, and the additional resistance it produces - along with the fact that sufficient corrosion can actually make the contact area in connections like spades *lift* apart, breaking the connection.

In other words, in the world of vehicle electrical connections dielectric grease is by far the lesser of two evils. Just a quick Google search will show you that not only do the major motor vehicle manufacturers highly recommend the use of dielectric grease on connections, but many (like Ford, Honda, GM, Chrysler, etc., etc., etc.) actually sell several different types under their own brand label of chemicals...









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I have noticed that the connectors for the headlights do not fit tightly. A loose connection will cause corrosion, increase resistance and fry the wiring. The ceramic socket has little to do with the fix, it is the tighter fitting connectors within the new connector that are the cure. During my HID install I noticed the spades in the sockets were not snug at all and would pull out with the lightest pressure. A quick crimp of the stock female connectors and a dab of solder on the wire for good measure would likely make this a non-issue.

Good observations...

But just as a quick aside and FYI, all of those same observations and suggestions as a solution have been mentioned here in the thread before, and tried by many. Some with success, while others have still had the problem repeat itself, like Chris/Sail2xxs. Even a quick perusal of the thread will show your suggestions, along with others, have put forth as "cures", yet the problem persists.

Unfortunately, it appears that this is, indeed, a design problem where the entire headlamp sub-harness is operating right on the edge of what's necessary, and as such the problem continues. It seems that until Yamaha decides to completely re-think and re-design this part of the electrical system of the Super Tenere it's going to be up to the individual owners out here in the field to come up with more robust and reliable re-fit solutions, at least for the time being.

Dallara
 

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"Unfortunately, it appears that this is, indeed, a design problem where the entire headlamp sub-harness is operating right on the edge of what's necessary, and as such the problem continues. It seems that until Yamaha decides to completely re-think and re-design this part of the electrical system of the Super Tenere it's going to be up to the individual owners out here in the field to come up with more robust and reliable re-fit solutions, at least for the time being.

Dallara"

That was my conclusion. I initially got two ceramic connectors and soldered them on to the harness wires, and after 30 miles of riding, inside the bulb access covers was white powder and a stinky smell. The wires that actually go to the headlight connectors have to be at most 18 gauge - the thickness of wires that come from 9 volt battery clips in transistor radios. Totally inadequate.

For $25 in parts from Auto Zone, I installed a relay-operated headlight wire circuit, direct to the battery with a 20 amp in-line fuse, all with 14 gauge wire, soldered and sealed with heat-shrink tubing. Took all of two and a half hours. No more stinky smell, no more burning, no more problems. Done!
 

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Mark R. said:
That was my conclusion. I initially got two ceramic connectors and soldered them on to the harness wires, and after 30 miles of riding, inside the bulb access covers was white powder and a stinky smell. The wires that actually go to the headlight connectors have to be at most 18 gauge - the thickness of wires that come from 9 volt battery clips in transistor radios. Totally inadequate.

For $25 in parts from Auto Zone, I installed a relay-operated headlight wire circuit, direct to the battery with a 20 amp in-line fuse, all with 14 gauge wire, soldered and sealed with heat-shrink tubing. Took all of two and a half hours. No more stinky smell, no more burning, no more problems. Done!
In a roundabout way, that's essentially what I did when installing my HID's. A separate switched relay circuit right off the battery.

Did you pull the headlamp assembly to thread the new wires down to the bulb area? HID's require you to drill a 7/8" hole in the caps, but am thinking you probably were able to route them like stock, right?
 

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I did the clean, crimp, grease routine many thousands of miles ago. No issue since.
BUT, if it does return, I will do something very similar. (New wiring) I'll just go the other extreme and over-engineer.

And still Hi won't be miffed with Yamaha. I still can't believe the beating I have given this bike and it has barely whimpered. A couple of loose spokes and an overheated headlight connector. Remarkable.
 

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Karson said:
Did you pull the headlamp assembly to thread the new wires down to the bulb area? HID's require you to drill a 7/8" hole in the caps, but am thinking you probably were able to route them like stock, right?
Yes. I pulled the headlight assembly out, and poked holes in the rubber grommet where the wires go through, and threaded the new wires through there. It is just as weather resistant as stock.
 

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I just started to notice the right side headlight connector is melted...too bad I have the next two weekends full of events to prevent me from taking it in. Hope my shop will recognize this is a "known" issue and will warranty this.
 

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New part number for wiring harness. Just got my bike back from dealer, repaired under YES. New harness Number: 23P-84312-01-00. Went to Stadium Yamaha and see there is a new #. I looked at the new wires and they are a heavier gauge. Nice to see Yamaha dealing with this. I have owned eight BMW's in the past. I got sick of BMW's failure to deal with known problems and their lack of reliability.
My Tenere is the best bike I have owned.
 

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New part number for wiring harness. Just got my bike back from dealer, repaired under YES. New harness Number: 23P-84312-01-00. Went to Stadium Yamaha and see there is a new #. I looked at the new wires and they are a heavier gauge. Nice to see Yamaha dealing with this. I have owned eight BMW's in the past. I got sick of BMW's failure to deal with known problems and their lack of reliability.
My Tenere is the best bike I have owned.
That's great news, it's what I would expect of Yamaha. ::008::

Next week I'll visit my dealer, see if Yamaha wants to replace the harness in my bike. If not, I'll pay the $$ and purchase a new harness and ride without fear of darkness. In the "good old days", when I rode Triumphs, spare zenor diode was always onboard. Most of you are pups, a bit too young to know Lucas, The Prince of Darkness.

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Big Blu said:
That's great news, it's what I would expect of Yamaha. ::008::

Next week I'll visit my dealer, see if Yamaha wants to replace the harness in my bike. If not, I'll pay the $$ and purchase a new harness and ride without fear of darkness. In the "good old days", when I rode Triumphs, spare zenor diode was always onboard. Most of you are pups, a bit too young to know Lucas, The Prince of Darkness.

Regards, Paul
I owned several Triumphs in the early 70s, so I was well acquainted with the Prince of Darkness! :D

Bruce
 

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Sparko said:
New part number for wiring harness. Just got my bike back from dealer, repaired under YES. New harness Number: 23P-84312-01-00. Went to Stadium Yamaha and see there is a new #. I looked at the new wires and they are a heavier gauge. Nice to see Yamaha dealing with this. I have owned eight BMW's in the past. I got sick of BMW's failure to deal with known problems and their lack of reliability.
My Tenere is the best bike I have owned.


That is well and truly terrific news!!! ::012::

Any chance you got any pictures of the new number harness?

I'm going to update the "Maintenance" parts list thread to reflect this new part number.

Thanks a ton for reporting this, Sparko! ::008::

Dallara




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Yes Thanks Sparko!

I have my headlight out repairing the tabs from a bird strike. I'm ordering the new harness now from Stadium as they have 15% off till Oct. 31st. Coupon code is FALLFUN. When i get it I'll take some pics to post. 73.50 before the 15% off. Good timing for me.
 

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With about 4-5k on my first replacement harness I noticed my right lamp was out the other day. It's since come back on, so obviously another failure is at hand. Upon removing the dome I found the wire insulation to be faded and in heat distress. The replacement was dealer-performed and had the excess plastic relieved from the connector as well as having been packed with di-grease. I received a call from Yamaha corporate a while back expressing what seemed to be a sincere interest in the problem. I'll give him a call back next week and see where it goes. As for my (excellent) dealer, they've made it clear that they're amenable to any solution I find appropriate... From replacing the harness again to cutting off and replacing the connectors with the ceramic ends. A little bit of a pain but it's nice to know they've got my back on the issue.
 

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Travex said:
With about 4-5k on my first replacement harness I noticed my right lamp was out the other day. It's since come back on, so obviously another failure is at hand. Upon removing the dome I found the wire insulation to be faded and in heat distress. The replacement was dealer-performed and had the excess plastic relieved from the connector as well as having been packed with di-grease. I received a call from Yamaha corporate a while back expressing what seemed to be a sincere interest in the problem. I'll give him a call back next week and see where it goes. As for my (excellent) dealer, they've made it clear that they're amenable to any solution I find appropriate... From replacing the harness again to cutting off and replacing the connectors with the ceramic ends. A little bit of a pain but it's nice to know they've got my back on the issue.
Sound like your last replacement harness was not the new improved version. Perhaps the Yamaha Corp guy can shed some light on the improvements that were made to the harness. Also it would be nice to know if Yamaha is planning a campaign to do harness replacements for those who have not yet had a failure.

Seems to me Yamaha had a campaign to reflash ECU's on the '06 FJR because of some reported loss of power at higher altitudes. Maybe they'll do something similar for this issue. I'm hope'n.

Regards, Paul
 

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Big Blu said:
Sound like your last replacement harness was not the new improved version. Perhaps the Yamaha Corp guy can shed some light on the improvements that were made to the harness. Also it would be nice to know if Yamaha is planning a campaign to do harness replacements for those who have not yet had a failure.

Seems to me Yamaha had a campaign to reflash ECU's on the '06 FJR because of some reported loss of power at higher altitudes. Maybe they'll do something similar for this issue. I'm hope'n.

Regards, Paul
This really should be a campaign, if we all reported our incidents to the NHTSA (as losing a light is a valid safety concern) it could force a recall.

Manufactures don't like recalls because it involves the government, and timelines, and a lot of administrative load. A voluntary campaign should occur in this situation IMO...

*Edit*

Just looked at the NHTSA website and there was one complaint about the headlamp harness and two about the wheel spokes. I added my incident to the database - cant hurt to have it documented...
 

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creggur said:
This really should be a campaign, if we all reported our incidents to the NHTSA (as losing a light is a valid safety concern) it could force a recall.

Manufactures don't like recalls because it involves the government, and timelines, and a lot of administrative load. A voluntary campaign should occur in this situation IMO...

*Edit*

Just looked at the NHTSA website and there was one complaint about the headlamp harness and two about the wheel spokes. I added my incident to the database - cant hurt to have it documented...
Good on ya for making the effort to report the incident to the NHSTA. ::003::

If more folks made the effort all riders would benefit......

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Big Blu said:
Sound like your last replacement harness was not the new improved version. Perhaps the Yamaha Corp guy can shed some light on the improvements that were made to the harness. Also it would be nice to know if Yamaha is planning a campaign to do harness replacements for those who have not yet had a failure.

Seems to me Yamaha had a campaign to reflash ECU's on the '06 FJR because of some reported loss of power at higher altitudes. Maybe they'll do something similar for this issue. I'm hope'n.

Regards, Paul
Thanks Paul. We're agreed on my replacement not being the new p/n. Mine likely crept in just before that hit the shelf. I'll inquire of the changes to the new harness and also that of any campaign intent and post that up. Funny thing about folks reporting/not reporting this issue to either Yamaha or the gov. So much dander seems to be up about this but oddly not enough to motivate owners to utilize the necessary forums for potential change. Then again, we can't move mountains.

Snakebitten summed it nicely: "I still can't believe the beating I have given this bike and it has barely whimpered. A couple of loose spokes and an overheated headlight connector. Remarkable."
 
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