Check your spokes!

[RMac]

Find a long hex key socket. The short sockets will not give you enough space between the "inner" spokes and the "outer" spokes at the hub. You can get a torque wrench on the end of the socket for proper torque.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002YKFI9C/ref=oh_o00_s01_i00_details

Exactly what I bought today after a bit of having trouble with regular 3/4 sockets yesterday. The long hex sockets are 126mm long and fit between the spokes just fine.

Edit: meant to say 3/8th socket and not 3/4 that I wrote above.

 

[pluric]

what kind of "offroad" air pressure were you running?

38 lbs front
40 lbs rear

I knew it would be rocky. I never air down.

 

[528Hz]

so what are you guys doing for the spare spoke & nipple set for the road?
OEM spoke set
rear PN: 23P-25304-00-00 $67.74
front: 23P-25104-00-00 $55.06

I guess it includes nipples as well

http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/13756-yamaha-2012-super-tenere--xtz12bl/assemblies/273754

 

[terrysig]

38 lbs front
40 lbs rear

I knew it would be rocky. I never air down.

Well then that can't be it. I was thinking the same thing for offroad...not to air down. Although it will be strange since my dirtbike runs 8-10 front and back but I would guess much stiffer walled tires? and thread locks. And probably more important a 225 lb bike!

 

[Firefight911]

I ran 26/26 all weekend in Death Valjet and did some big speed and took some hits that made me cringe and not one dimple or loose spoke to be found.

I had a nice discussion about pressure on our bikes off road with Jimmy Lewis and that's what he runs all the time on his R12GS Adv. and what he recommends for big bikes.

Too much pressure compromises shock absorption just as too little.


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[Tremor38]

38 lbs front
40 lbs rear

I knew it would be rocky. I never air down.

There might be a happy medium in there somewhere. You might want to run that by Woody. You're a big boy so you're probably reaching the 'progressive' portion of the OEM S10's springs just by getting on on the bike. With the tires all the way full, you're transmitting more force to to the suspension, causing the springs to compress to the limit and possibly even bind some, which in turn might be giving your wheel an extra beating. You might be able to absorb 'some' of that shock with the tires by letting out 'some' air as long as you don't go past a certain point.

Anyway, I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but run it by Woody. The wheel experts can turn this into an all day conversation 8) ...don't shoot the messenger full of holes, I'm just repeating what I hear some perty experienced dudes say ::016::

 

[Firefight911]

Tremor, good advice! Run it by Woody........................I did. He was with us in Death Valley this weekend. He provided the Jaegermeister and Crown Royal, 4 free truings, and one free $2200 set of free wheels. Nope, I didn't win but he did concur with the air down recommendations of Jimmy.

He also took some good long looks at my S10 as he indicated that he is working with Galfer on some front brake line, 21 inch, raised fender options/kits for us. He has several hubs on order for wheel make up and already has his beefy stainless spoke/nipple set up available for our bikes.

 

[pluric]

There might be a happy medium in there somewhere. You might want to run that by Woody. You're a big boy so you're probably reaching the 'progressive' portion of the OEM S10's springs just by getting on on the bike. With the tires all the way full, you're transmitting more force to to the suspension, causing the springs to compress to the limit and possibly even bind some, which in turn might be giving your wheel an extra beating. You might be able to absorb 'some' of that shock with the tires by letting out 'some' air as long as you don't go past a certain point.

Anyway, I know that sounds counter-intuitive, but run it by Woody. The wheel experts can turn this into an all day conversation 8) ...don't shoot the messenger full of holes, I'm just repeating what I hear some perty experienced dudes say ::016::

What? Who me? Okay, maybe a little larger than most.

I had cranked up the pre-load some front and rear for this ride. Bike was fully loaded.
I took it into the dealer to get the seal replaced and ask if Yamaha would consider a rim replacement.
Still waiting to hear back.

 

[pluric]

Just got off the phone with the dealer. Yamaha has not had enough rim complaints to consider it a problem.
So no comped wheel for me. I'm not surprised. Between this and other threads it doesn't appear to be
a cronic issue. I just don't get why mine hates me so bad.

Should work out well to send the wheel back to Woody's and the ECU to Texas. (hands rubbing)

 

[terrysig]

I ran 26/26 all weekend in Death Valjet and did some big speed and took some hits that made me cringe and not one dimple or loose spoke to be found.

I had a nice discussion about pressure on our bikes off road with Jimmy Lewis and that's what he runs all the time on his R12GS Adv. and what he recommends for big bikes.

Too much pressure compromises shock absorption just as too little.


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That sounds like a good compromise. In my area ther off road is made up of alot of exposed tree roots and ledged sharp edged rock. The thick knobbies and sidewalls of the dirtbike (and the tube, tube protector and rim protector) must soak that all up with low pressure but the tubeless of the S10 doesn't have that kind of protection.

Will give the 26s a try...thanks!
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[3putt]

Tremor, good advice! Run it by Woody........................I did. He was with us in Death Valley this weekend. He provided the Jaegermeister and Crown Royal, 4 free truings, and one free $2200 set of free wheels. Nope, I didn't win but he did concur with the air down recommendations of Jimmy.

He also took some good long looks at my S10 as he indicated that he is working with Galfer on some front brake line, 21 inch, raised fender options/kits for us. He has several hubs on order for wheel make up and already has his beefy stainless spoke/nipple set up available for our bikes.

VERY good info Phil. I also did not air down from 33f/36r when offroad this pass summer in Salida, CO. I broke my fender due to the hard hits on embedded rocks at speed. Wish I had aired down but had no pump with me (back at camp) and did not know how far we would run the roads. I will go 26/26 next time for sure.

I have been following Woody's thread for a while, others here might be interested also. At one point I was thinking about having a spare rear wheel so I could run K60 on one and PR2/Anakee 2 on the other, but prices ruled that out. Wasp is going to try the 21" front drop the ABS option, I want to keep my ABS.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759952

 

[3putt]

I would like to point out one other thing that some may not be aware of, firefight911 has a straight rate spring .95 in the forks. Just wanted to remind you all, I do as well now. I did my damage last summer when on the OEM spring, but I feel that the air pressure was also at fault. I will be running 26/26 next time or at least 28/28. I did not sustain a bent rim, but like firefight911, hit some stuff at speed that made me cringe for the bike!

 

[Firefight911]

Truly important point Tiger!! IMO, this simple and inexpensive and not time consuming upgrade is a must do regardless of your weight and thoughts on the OEM. It literally transforms the ride and improves the front end feel and suspension action. I firmly believe that this, though not the only thing, contributes to saving the bike from itself and reduces rider fatigue from the transmission of harsh hits (hi speed). I'm now also using all the suspension travel available.


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[pluric]

Truly important point Tiger!! IMO, this simple and inexpensive and not time consuming upgrade is a must do regardless of your weight and thoughts on the OEM. It literally transforms the ride and improves the front end feel and suspension action. I firmly believe that this, though not the only thing, contributes to saving the bike from itself and reduces rider fatigue from the transmission of harsh hits (hi speed). I'm now also using all the suspension travel available.


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Being lazy by nature and tired of sending wheels to Woody's where do I get the springs??? Please. (on my knees)

 

[Firefight911]

Pluric,

You can have the springs made through Traxxion Dynamics.

I went with a .95 kg/mm linear rate. I weigh 215 lbs and shot for a 30% race sag number (57mm).

The springs you will get will be shorter than your OEM. You will need to get some schedule 40 PVC pipe and cut a spacer that will take up the difference between the Traxxion springs and OEM springs free length. Yes, the PVC is fine! Once I am done with my tuning I may have a machine shop make some aluminum spacers but I professionally road raced for years and used PVC and never had one issue.

You can do the work completely DIY. It's not difficult but you are working with spring and their resultant energy potential so be careful. TigerOne went completely DIY. (See my suspension threads). I went completely DIYWASP. That's do it yourself with a suspension pro. Read my suspension threads and hit me up with any questions.


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[pluric]

Thank you! I've not had an issue with PVC either. My dad passed away a few months ago with full machine shop in
his basement. I can't believe how many times I've needed a lathe or one of his tools since then.

I could fake making a few parts with his guidance. Still kick myself for selling it all. :'(

 

[3putt]

Sorry about your dad passing. Traxxon recommended 1.0 spring for me, but I went with .95, I weigh 180ish.

 

[Hipshot]

I couldn't find a 3/8 drive 5mm hex bit in town and the shipping for one on the internet was stupid so I made one. Bought a long metric set of allens and a 3/8 drive 5mm socket at Lowes. Whacked off the bent end on the 5mm allen and JB'd it into the socket. Overall it is 5" so I think it will work even though it isn't a ball end bit. Cost about 6 bucks for the set of allens and the socket.

 

[jajpko]

I couldn't find a 3/8 drive 5mm hex bit in town and the shipping for one on the internet was stupid so I made one. Bought a long metric set of allens and a 3/8 drive 5mm socket at Lowes. Whacked off the bent end on the 5mm allen and JB'd it into the socket. Overall it is 5" so I think it will work even though it isn't a ball end bit. Cost about 6 bucks for the set of allens and the socket.

I'm surprised they did not have it at Lowes. That's where I found mine.

 

[pluric]

Sorry about your dad passing. Traxxon recommended 1.0 spring for me, but I went with .95, I weigh 180ish.

Hey thanks. 90 good years so we were happy for him.

I'm in Firefight911 weight range. 215-220 depending what's on the buffet.