Brake pad life - what's to be expected

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Just re-shoed front & rear with factory pads @ 18,960. 75% freeway, 20% city stop'n go, 5% paved mountain twisters. Got scolded by mechanic, rear pads were thinnest. No scoring on rotors. Whew.

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I guess I'm atypical. At 43k the rear pads are just about gone, fronts are still fine. I do a lot of distance riding though and don't use the brakes much unless I'm coming to a stop. I ride off pavement, but not a lot, especially compared to guys like Dirt Dad that live off pavement. Still, 43k is less than half of where I needed rear pads on the non-linked FJR, so the Super Ten does use pads faster than other bikes.
 

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That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

... if I can help it!

My original pads lasted a disappointing 9000 miles. I put it down to the UBS applying much more rear brake that I would in a normal unlinked system - the way I ride I'd normally get 20,000 miles or more out of a set of rear pads. I wondered if there might be a problem with the caliper, but the next set of pads, EBC Double-H, lasted 23,000 miles. That's more like it!

I was in Medellin, Colombia when I changed the EBC's - back to Yamaha pads, because that's what I happened to be carrying as spares. I checked them at 4,000 miles, they looked like they were wearing OK. I didn't check again until I heard unusual noises coming from the rear disk. This is what I found - pads have done 6000 miles. The one that's most worn is from the piston side, but the other one is not far behind, so wear is fairly even.



Admittedly there was some mud and sand, and I guess that would account for the fact that life is less than the last set of Yamaha pads.

Now I'm in a bit of a pickle, because stupidly I didn't get another spare set when I installed these. I would have been able to get them in Medellin. For the rest of the ride after I noticed the metal-on-metal situation I disabled ABS, which also disables UBS, so that the rear brake doesn't come on when I use the front one. Then all I have to do is remember not to use the rear brake until I get the pads replaced.

I'm in Banos, Ecuador, for a while and I asked the one bike guy in town if he could get me some pads. Yeah, sure... I have to go to Ambato to get them. I gave him $20, the old pads, and the list of alternatives that I got from the forum (thanks Dallara). He comes back with these.



Looks good, but is not one from my list. Notice "JAPAN" splashed all over the packaging. Must be good right? Till you read that they are made by IndustriaJapan, S.A., "Made in Colombia".



Despite the fact that they are meant for a DT-125, DT-175 and YBR 125, they look like they are worth a try - until you compare them with the old pads.





The fittings at either end seem right, but the pad is much narrower and a little higher at the top. You can see where, if I installed them, about a third of the piston would not be touching the pad.

I'm inclined not to try them, and just make a trip to Quito (about 120 miles) to find something more appropriate (with old pads in, and ABS disabled).

I tried returning the pads to the guy, and he wouldn't take them back! Even though they don't match the old pads, and are not one of the 6 part numbers of alternative that I'd given him. I couldn't make out from his rapid spanish his justification for not taking them back - only that they would work so don't worry about it.

Anyway, bottom line, no more Yamaha pads for me! Unless that's all I can get...
 

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Re: That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

Was there a thread not to long ago about using aftermarket pads and damage to the rotor?? Seem to remember something about that but can't find it....
 

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offcamber said:
Was there a thread not to long ago about using aftermarket pads and damage to the rotor?? Seem to remember something about that but can't find it....
All HH pads will wear the rotor faster than std organic. I wouldn't call it "damage". Rotors ARE a wear item.

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Re: That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

i got 13500 miles out my original pads, bought some cheap ones and got 4000 miles, ive just changed them for double H pads. lets see how they fair ::001::
 

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Re: That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

I think the HH is Sintered Metallic, which yes does mean metal in the pads which require and withstand higher levels of heat. In exchange as noted wear the rotors quicker. I would chose std pads for my rotor to last longer.
 

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Re: That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

Think you will be hard pressed to beat the stockers for wear and durability. I used EBC in the past on other bikes and wouldn't use them again. Wore like butter. Changed my rears at 12,000 miles on the S10. Now have 20,000 miles and the rear rotors are grooved but still good. That's a combo of paved and plenty of gravel. Not much mud.
 

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RED CAT said:
Think you will be hard pressed to beat the stockers for wear and durability.
But I think you´d agree 6000 miles is not acceptable?

As for disc being a wear item - true, but mine had some wear with the original stock pads, and I didn´t notice it get dramatically worse after 23,000 miles of EBC Double-H. Not that I´ve measured disc thickness, but the grooving that was evident with stock pads has not gotten any worse.

I´ve seen somewhere in the documentation that you are supposed to use stock pads for the UBS to work correctly. I tried to tell the difference when I switched from EBC back to stock, and couldn´t. As far as I´m concerned, I would prefer to do without the UBS altogether. It´s just a bit much electronic nannying for me. I´m perfectly capable of deciding how much or how little rear brake to use, thankyou very much... ABS and TCS are worthwhile though, and you can´t (AFIAK) disable UBS without disabling them as well.

Trevor
 

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If you ride off road in gritty sand and mud any at all , they will not last. Got 3800 mi out of stock back pads. Use ebc hh don,t care about rotor ware. You just got to stop.
 

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Re: That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

Trevor sorry to hear you are having brake pad issues when you are not near proper service. For you to get poor brake pad mileage like that there has to be something wrong with your ABS or you are riding the rear brake. Have you flushed your brake and clutch fluids? I have 25,000+ miles on my original brake pads and have a spare set of OEM pads ready to install when the originals are gone. If you need parts I am sure one of us can ship them to you.
 

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Re: That's the last time I buy Yamaha rear brake pads...

I only got about 8k out my rear pads as well. I do an awful lot of metro riding, so I am not surprised by the fast wear. I installed ebc pads and they should last longer ... I hope
 

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I've had HH pads fitted from 3000 miles (the previous owner sprayed the discs with preservative oil!!!!!!!!!). At 17000 miles, there is no measurable or visible wear on the rotors, maybe a bit of scoring but that's fairly normal, and the pads are about half worn. I'll settle for that.
 

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I've always gotten good wear out of Yamaha brake pads on my TDM900 and now on my S10. 19,500 km and plenty of meat left on both front and back pads. My rotors also last a long time too. That said, with my style of riding I use engine braking a lot so that might be a factor.
 

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tomatocity said:
For you to get poor brake pad mileage like that there has to be something wrong with your ABS or you are riding the rear brake.
Nope - that's what I thought when I only got 9000 miles out of the original set. I was looking for a problem with me or one of the bike systems. But then 23,000 miles on EBC's convinced me there was nothing wrong with either. It's the pads...

I think people getting big miles out of them are not as hard on the (FRONT, and therefore the back, thanks to UBS) brakes as me (and others), and/or are not riding offroad much.
 

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Are you sure that is a genuine yamaha or a fake?
 

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If I could change just one thing about the S10, I'd remove the UBS. I adapted my riding style to apply the rear brake first on every corner/stop so I'm in control of the rear. I find the UBS applies too much rear brake for my taste. 12000 miles on mine and I'm getting what I consider normal wear on my pads. Still on the originals and lots of meat left front and rear. ::001::
 

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avc8130 said:
All HH pads will wear the rotor faster than std organic. I wouldn't call it "damage". Rotors ARE a wear item.

ac
There is a difference between wear and a pair of wrong pads that chew the hell out of the disc and ruin "damage" a brake disc. Sounds like you have never experienced this.

In my experiance with all metric bikes, stick with stock brake pads and clutch plates.
 

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Mzee said:
Are you sure that is a genuine yamaha or a fake?
Definitely real - I bought from my dealer in WV before I started this trip.
 

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~TABASCO~ said:
There is a difference between wear and a pair of wrong pads that chew the hell out of the disc and ruin "damage" a brake disc. Sounds like you have never experienced this.

In my experiance with all metric bikes, stick with stock brake pads and clutch plates.
Oh, I've experienced this...that is EXACTLY what the stock rear pads have done to my rear rotor over the past 20k miles!

I have major grooving. I have taken apart the rear caliper at every oil change and greased the pins and cleaned the pistons. I always make sure the caliper is free to slide.

I have run HH pads on all of my previous bikes. I have NEVER experienced rotor "damage" like I have on the rear of this Tenere from the STOCK pads.

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