2014 Super Tenere ES.

[Slomo]

[quote author=markjenn

Based on current prices and past trends, I'd expect a small price hike in the base and an extra grand for the ES, assuming it has the standard heated grips and electronic suspension. Net, net... $15,299 for the base, $16,299 for the ES. And with the competition continuing to up their ante and the new Vee undercutting it on both price and weight, there should be discounts readily available in a short period of time, if not immediately.

- Mark
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The KTM 1190 is selling for around$16,500. If Yamaha insists on $16,300 I think they will only add to their unsold inventory :-(
Maybe I'll wait a year, and pick up a leftover for $13k

 

[markjenn]

The KTM 1190 is selling for around$16,500. If Yamaha insists on $16,300 I think they will only add to their unsold inventory :-(

I agree - I think the S10 is in for some tough sledding. Given that the current bike is $14.8K, I just can't see them adding the electronic suspension, cruise, and standard heated grips and not be to at least $16K.

The KTM appeals to a different sort of rider, so I'm not terribly worried about it.... the bike that is going to really give the S10 some problems now is the new Vee. It essentially matches the base S10's spec in almost all aspects (and undercuts it by nearly 70-lb in weight), while drawing the line at a $12.7K list price. It doesn't have the electronic suspension option or cruise, but it does appeal to the same sort of "value" customer the Yamaha has always sold well to - the rider interested in "adequate" performance, good comfort and versatility, ironclad Japanese reliability, and a good price.

If Yamaha USA really wants to shake things up, my suggestion would be to import only the ES version and drop the price to $14.5K. Give the bare-bones spec business to Suzuki. That would be the catalyst to really get the bike moving out of showrooms.

- Mark

 

[snakebitten]

I'm not suggesting that price doesn't matter, especially for the untutored newcomer who hasn't been riding bikes in this genre. He likely will make his comparisons on perceived paper.

But in my opinion, most of these machines aren't really apples to apples in their mission statement.

The V is not the same weapon as the Tenere. The Tenere is not the same weapon as the Explorer. Or the Multistrada. Etc etc.

There IS overlap, of course. And there are folks that buy one of these machines and then choose to use just a subset of that bikes capabilities. (Lots of guys openly admit they use their Tenere 99% on tarmac)

But in my mind, the Tenere is still the bike it started out as and Yamaha, up to this point, hasn't been wishy washy about it. This bike is aimed at the GS(A) and it's mission. And while it's fair to be critical of Yamaha being slow to react to the sudden rapid development of all the other so-called adventure bikes, I still give them credit for not blurring the identity they first gave this incredible machine. I commend them for it. They may not get the splashy press, but they do seem to continue to sell Teneres to the guys who have had the other bikes already and those that are research savvy. That says a lot to me.

Price? The Tenere needs to continue to be the best value amongst the bikes that it actually competes with. That is the GSA. And, admittedly still the KTM. And to some degree the NTX.

The other bikes are just the ones with enough overlap to get dumped into this watered down genre we call "adventure" bikes. As Graham calls them, "jacked up streetbikes.

Yamaha does not have to price the Tenere as low as the V. I don't think anyways.

 

[GrahamD]

I've ordered a '14 ES model and here in Canada, it's designated an XTZ12EEG.

The Super Tenere EEG. See, it monitors your brain so you just think it does.

Yeah, I know, Geek joke, Continue... :

 

[Big Blu]

Just ask yourself, is the ESA suspension and cruise control worth the $10K out of pocket expenditure to upgrade? If not, then I wouldn't trade up as your '11 is barely broken in ......
....?.

By limiting your reference to ESA and c c me thinks you may be over simplifying. New cams, valves, mapping, clutch basic, along with ESA and c c , as a total package, may or may not have a more profound on the impact on the bike and riding experience. I'm anxiously awaiting a review ...... ::018::

I'm passing on suspension upgrades for my current s10 and will give serious consideration to buying a 2014 and this time I'll get the YES package and make it a long term bike.

Paul

 

[twinrider]

By limiting your reference to ESA and c c me thinks you may be over simplifying. New cams, valves, mapping, clutch basic, along with ESA and c c , as a total package, may or may not have a more profound on the impact on the bike and riding experience. I'm anxiously awaiting a review ...... ::018::

I'm passing on suspension upgrades for my current s10 and will give serious consideration to buying a 2014 and this time I'll get the YES package and make it a long term bike.

Paul

If they bumped up the engine size and/or power significantly I might agree, but with 2 hp difference the engine will likely feel a little more refined/smooth but essentially the same IMO, and best case scenario with the new mapping perhaps like a flashed S10. Don't forget that they also expanded the size of the cat (which eats up some ground clearance) to meet upcoming regs so more pollution controls could be sucking away power. And the new clutch basket can likely be retrofit.

For those who have the cash and really want ESA and CC, why not upgrade. For me, I will likely wait and see what Yamaha has in store for the next gen S10. Maybe TC that can be turned off on the fly, maybe next gen ABS that works in corners, maybe semi-active suspension, maybe more ponies.... Should be interesting.

 

[greg the pole]

I have just within last few days asked my dealer about changing my 2011 14000 mile S10 to a new one. Seemingly the average here in N Ireland is only 3500 miles per year, so I will be taking a loss. He is looking around £6000 to change. Am wondering if I am mad? I always change in and around the 2 year mark but wonder if the changes are up to it. i.e the electronic pack? Any help girls/guys would be appreciated. I know some will say bite the bullet if you can afford it etc. But I am 60/40 keeping my 2011. I will be having a test on the new one on Monday 10th . Come back good buddies lol

Don't know about you but I would not rush out and trade in my barely broken in 37km tenere.
There's not enough pluses in my mind to trade up. Besides the electronic suspension the rest of the option list is not a must have.

Sell me a 900cc tenere triple with shaft drive, and I'm in.

 

[greg the pole]

Just ask yourself, is the ESA suspension and cruise control worth the $10K out of pocket expenditure to upgrade? If not, then I wouldn't trade up as your '11 is barely broken in (a friend has nearly around 180,000 miles on his FJR with no major issues).

In my case it's not worth the $$$ as I can fit the bike with Ohlins suspension for about $3K, and where I ride (mostly back roads) CC is not a necessity. My only real dislike is not being able to change the TC on the fly and that hasn't changed so. I will wait till Yamaha does further upgrades in the future to the ABS, TC and motor.

What i am wondering about the new bike is whether Yamaha sorted out the ECU setting, dumping the 1-3 gear restrictions. Let us know what you think, especially if you've gotten a chance to ride an S10 with a flashed ECU.

Three grand for suspension is a lot, even for this bike. A high end rear shock (remote preload, rebound, and two way compression can be had for $1200-1500). The front end is easily sorted with a decent set of springs and oil ($200 tops). Throw in a clutch switch mod ($40), if you don't like that, re-flash the ecu ($500 tops) and away you go.
yeah, the TC is a bit of a pain, but for the most part, I leave it in TC2 and forget it.

 

[GrahamD]

Sell me a 900cc tenere triple with shaft drive, and I'm in.

With Better range and still OK with low octane fuel, I'm in. ::008::

 

[greg the pole]

With Better range and still OK with low octane fuel, I'm in. ::008::

honestly, if I'm easy on the throttle ??? I still get 350km to a tank easy. My 4l rotopax helps as well. Only had to use it once.
Now...the fuzzynine, i'll be lucky if I get 200km to a tank, a whole 14L in there, and there's no way, i'll be easy on that throttle. ::001::

 

[GrahamD]

What I meant was...

With Better range than the MT/FZ09 and still OK with low octane fuel, I'm in. ::008::

I don't want a 28Litre tank to get 400km. They might have to release a reviewer spec and a real world spec though.

 

[Big Blu]

Sell me a 900cc tenere triple with shaft drive, and I'm in.

Yes sir, that would be the ticket!

Hell, I'd gladly give away 10hp and 50lb and still.... but it's gotta be shaft drive for me..

Paul

 

[twinrider]

I don't think a 900 is going to be much easier to ride on gnarly stuff than the 1200. Prefer my 250 for that, but then I'm not very talented either....

 

[greg the pole]

the fz feels like a bicycle compared to the tenere...

 

[twinrider]

I had an F650GSD that weighed about the same as the FZ-09. Yes, a lot lighter than the S10 but it was still a handful on single track. A better rider would likely feel differently though....

 

[greg the pole]

I was going to pick up a second hand ktm690, but it simply was not on the books. :'(
That would be a great bike..

 

[Big Blu]

I was going to pick up a second hand ktm690, but it simply was not on the books. :'(
That would be a great bike..

A great bike indeed...... But too labor intensive for me!

Paul

 

[liguorien]

anyone got the part # for the new plastic trim that sits under the headlight of the new 2014 ?
I wanna had it too my 2012...

 

[mcbrien]

I was at camp hill yamaha talking to the sales guy about the
new tenere and he was told by his regional sales rep that just because
you see an updated model doesn't mean that it will be comeing
to the states . He said he's never said that to me before . ???

 

[RED CAT]

Not to worry. You'll be getting it.