2014 Super Tenere ES.

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Willing to bet if we are getting it, U.S. will also. Sat on it yesterday at the Bike Show. Very nice. Hope to sell my 2012 and get the new ES S10. I liked all the changes they made. Only wished for Shift on the Fly Traction Control which Yamaha hasn't changed unfortunately. Even has a new gear indicator which doesn't seem to be mentioned any where. 3 Biggies are ESA, Electronic Cruise and Heated Grips without the bulky controller unit. The fueling is supposed to be sorted and maybe got rid of the restrictions in the 1st 3 gears. Forgot to ask about the colors as I am not a fan of the charcoal or white and was hoping to get the new blue one.
 

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The colors available in Canada are shown on Yamaha Canada's website. I'm not a big fan of the charcoal but I'll take it if it's the only color available.


I'm not aware of any bike that can turn off traction control on the fly. Are you aware of any? Traction control uses the ABS sensors so maybe that's why it needs to have the wheels stopped when the TC is turned off.


I expect the heated grips will have 3 settings that you pre-set in the menu: So you can select setting 1 to have heat level 3, setting 2 at 6 and setting 3 at 10 and you select their operation from the Menu button. That's how it works on my '13 FJR which uses the same switch gear.
 

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Like the gear indicator for sure, but not at the cost of that ugly dash... ::007::

As to the ES, again not a fan. On a pure street bike like an FJR or some RT/touring something I guess it would be fine, but why even then? On a dual purpose bike like the Ten, I can see the "why", but it ups the potential failure factor to a point I do not want. One more vulnerable piece of electronic do dad out on the vulnerable handlebars outer regions. Aside form the vulnerable controls, just the abuse suspension takes on a heavy multi purpose bike makes it a no go for me. I understand that Yamaha seems to sort most things out better than BMW does, but even with that in mind, BMW has had a lot of failures and poor performance with ESA on the GS/GSA bikes. I would rather stop for 10 seconds when I change surfaces dramatically and reset to a better pre-load/ compression/ rebound than push a button on the fly but then break a small electric motor or digital circuit board.

Things like CC and easier control of HG are fine to me, because if I drop the bike and break that controller, yes it may cost me a bit to repair later, but it does not end a ride or make something dangerous necessarily. Cold hands or manually holding the throttle on the way home from a ride is not life changing. Broken suspension or a toasted electronic system can cause strand you in a bad situation, or worse cause a crash.

I have certain lines in the sand items for me, ESA not quite at that point for me, given a choice though and I would opt OUT.

TC off on the fly could be easily accomplished but I don't know about turning it back on or switching between levels on the fly....I do not see why that would be impossible though because many cars have on the fly TC changeability....even in my daughters '05 Scion it is switchable.
 

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A simple one...I've invested quite a bit in an LED bar which fits very well in the gap below the headlight. I see that yamaha has added some plastic trim to that spot on the 14s. Any of you that went to the show happen to notice if LED light bars will still fit there or the trim is removeable?
 

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On the Yamaha R1 they have 7 levels of traction control. All levels can be switched on the fly, except for turning it off, which requires a stop. If we were even able to go from TC1 to TC2 on the fly it would help in situations that I have had where I was suddenly at an uphill gravel washboard switchback and TC1 had me immobile. Of course, I could have had it in TC2 or off to begin with, but in that situation I am sure that if I had been able to switch from TC1 to TC2 on the fly, I would have been fine.
 

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kmac said:
Like the gear indicator for sure, but not at the cost of that ugly dash... ::007::

As to the ES, again not a fan. On a pure street bike like an FJR or some RT/touring something I guess it would be fine, but why even then? On a dual purpose bike like the Ten, I can see the "why", but it ups the potential failure factor to a point I do not want. One more vulnerable piece of electronic do dad out on the vulnerable handlebars outer regions. Aside form the vulnerable controls, just the abuse suspension takes on a heavy multi purpose bike makes it a no go for me. I understand that Yamaha seems to sort most things out better than BMW does, but even with that in mind, BMW has had a lot of failures and poor performance with ESA on the GS/GSA bikes. I would rather stop for 10 seconds when I change surfaces dramatically and reset to a better pre-load/ compression/ rebound than push a button on the fly but then break a small electric motor or digital circuit board.

Things like CC and easier control of HG are fine to me, because if I drop the bike and break that controller, yes it may cost me a bit to repair later, but it does not end a ride or make something dangerous necessarily. Cold hands or manually holding the throttle on the way home from a ride is not life changing. Broken suspension or a toasted electronic system can cause strand you in a bad situation, or worse cause a crash.

I have certain lines in the sand items for me, ESA not quite at that point for me, given a choice though and I would opt OUT.

TC off on the fly could be easily accomplished but I don't know about turning it back on or switching between levels on the fly....I do not see why that would be impossible though because many cars have on the fly TC changeability....even in my daughters '05 Scion it is switchable.
HAHA, I love the look of that dash! I can totally see how people would not like the block like design though.
 

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Even if you have to stop, it would be much better for me if I didn't have to take my hand off the bars. (Holding the clutch in at the same time)
Stop, thumb the button, go.

Although it can't be that important to me because a couple of years ago there was a thread on the circuit board that showed exactly where a momentary switch could be wired in to do that.

I could buy the FJR switch cluster for the left side and use several of the momentary contacts in it to move all 3 of the instrument functions to my thumb.

Dang, Almost got myself talked into.
 

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terrysig said:
A simple one...I've invested quite a bit in an LED bar which fits very well in the gap below the headlight. I see that yamaha has added some plastic trim to that spot on the 14s. Any of you that went to the show happen to notice if LED light bars will still fit there or the trim is removeable?
Not sure if it will fit with the trim, as there's nothing to bolt to.
Im sure if it's pulled out trimmed, things will fit as normal. It was on a 45 degree angle from top to bottom
 

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RED CAT said:
Willing to bet if we are getting it, U.S. will also. Sat on it yesterday at the Bike Show. Very nice. Hope to sell my 2012 and get the new ES S10. I liked all the changes they made. Only wished for Shift on the Fly Traction Control which Yamaha hasn't changed unfortunately. Even has a new gear indicator which doesn't seem to be mentioned any where. 3 Biggies are ESA, Electronic Cruise and Heated Grips without the bulky controller unit. The fueling is supposed to be sorted and maybe got rid of the restrictions in the 1st 3 gears. Forgot to ask about the colors as I am not a fan of the charcoal or white and was hoping to get the new blue one.
Dibs on a test ride, once you break the new one in! ::015::
 

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Had Shift on the Fly on my 08 GS1200 and really liked it. No stopping and having to push a button on the speedo was nice. Just hit the handlebar mounted switch with your thumb and blast. Now I have to remember to hit the button before I ride off in case I decide to do some dirt or stop at the dirt and let everyone pass me that I worked so hard to pass earlier. ::26::
 

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you work hard to pass people? :D

I ride slowly most of the time, so it's pretty easy to pass me. Slow in fast out ::025::
 

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The deluxe version for the SA spec model we get here in Japan is designated XT1200ZE rather than ES. The ZE gets all of the extras. The base model (XT1200Z) is a give and take compared to previous models. It doesn't have ESA, Heated Grips, center stand or rear rack, yet it has cruise control which I find weird, because most of items they omitted seem much more practical and 'basic.' I suppose they decided to streamline by going with the same ECU as well as some of the switch gear on the ZE and Z .
 

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Hey there S10 Brain Trust:

Trying to guesstimate what the US prices will be for the 2014 models.

If i convert the published canadian prices of $17,499 (SE) and $ 16,499 (Base) into US dollars, it is roughly $15,730 and $14,830 respectively.

Since the 2013 US base model is MSRPed at $14,800. I'm thinking the SE edition will MSRP for around $15,800US.

Does that sound right to you?
 

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RED CAT said:
Only wished for Shift on the Fly Traction Control which Yamaha hasn't changed unfortunately.
This is my biggest complaint about my bike and I'm very disappointed to hear that Yamaha hasn't changed it. Probably enough that I won't bother to spend the $8K or so to upgrade.

I like to run without TC on dry pavement and dirt, but run it when the roads get wet or otherwise have slippery sectionss. I can't understand why Yamaha didn't make it switchable on the fly. In my mind it's more of a safety hazard not allowing the rider to easily change to suit the conditions. On group rides, it's a big PITA to have to pull over while everyone else keeps going.

Even the new Vstrom allows it to be changed on the fly.... ::007::
 

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Slomo said:
Hey there S10 Brain Trust:Trying to guesstimate what the US prices will be for the 2014 models.If i convert the published canadian prices of $17,499 (SE) and $ 16,499 (Base) into US dollars, it is roughly $15,730 and $14,830 respectively.Since the 2013 US base model is MSRPed at $14,800. I'm thinking the SE edition will MSRP for around $15,800US.Does that sound right to you?


Compare the base price in Canada to the base price in the US and this gives you the "Canada premium" price, which I think is about $2000 more than the US price, Add about $1000 for the ES model, which includes heated grips (in Canada) and that's not a bad deal, as the OEM heated grips alone are about $400, and in the ES model will be integrated into the Menu button, and no unsightly large rotary dial.


Also, have a look at the US FJR with ES and one without and this gives you an rough idea of the price spread between those 2 models.


I've ordered a '14 ES model and here in Canada, it's designated an XTZ12EEG.
 

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I have just within last few days asked my dealer about changing my 2011 14000 mile S10 to a new one. Seemingly the average here in N Ireland is only 3500 miles per year, so I will be taking a loss. He is looking around £6000 to change. Am wondering if I am mad? I always change in and around the 2 year mark but wonder if the changes are up to it. i.e the electronic pack? Any help girls/guys would be appreciated. I know some will say bite the bullet if you can afford it etc. But I am 60/40 keeping my 2011. I will be having a test on the new one on Monday 10th . Come back good buddies lol
 

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Slomo said:
Hey there S10 Brain Trust:

Trying to guesstimate what the US prices will be for the 2014 models.

If i convert the published canadian prices of $17,499 (SE) and $ 16,499 (Base) into US dollars, it is roughly $15,730 and $14,830 respectively.

Since the 2013 US base model is MSRPed at $14,800. I'm thinking the SE edition will MSRP for around $15,800US.

Does that sound right to you?
Converting foreign prices by exchange rates doesn't usually work that well. Each importer has their own pricing structure and the competition in each market is different.

Based on current prices and past trends, I'd expect a small price hike in the base and an extra grand for the ES, assuming it has the standard heated grips and electronic suspension. Net, net... $15,299 for the base, $16,299 for the ES. And with the competition continuing to up their ante and the new Vee undercutting it on both price and weight, there should be discounts readily available in a short period of time, if not immediately.

- Mark
 

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fjrden said:
I have just within last few days asked my dealer about changing my 2011 14000 mile S10 to a new one. Seemingly the average here in N Ireland is only 3500 miles per year, so I will be taking a loss. He is looking around £6000 to change. Am wondering if I am mad? I always change in and around the 2 year mark but wonder if the changes are up to it. i.e the electronic pack? Any help girls/guys would be appreciated. I know some will say bite the bullet if you can afford it etc. But I am 60/40 keeping my 2011. I will be having a test on the new one on Monday 10th . Come back good buddies lol
Just ask yourself, is the ESA suspension and cruise control worth the $10K out of pocket expenditure to upgrade? If not, then I wouldn't trade up as your '11 is barely broken in (a friend has nearly around 180,000 miles on his FJR with no major issues).

In my case it's not worth the $$$ as I can fit the bike with Ohlins suspension for about $3K, and where I ride (mostly back roads) CC is not a necessity. My only real dislike is not being able to change the TC on the fly and that hasn't changed so. I will wait till Yamaha does further upgrades in the future to the ABS, TC and motor.

What i am wondering about the new bike is whether Yamaha sorted out the ECU setting, dumping the 1-3 gear restrictions. Let us know what you think, especially if you've gotten a chance to ride an S10 with a flashed ECU.
 
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