1-2-3 gear restiction

[Blue_eyes]

Once you have your ECU flashed you'll never want to go back! You don't know what you're missing till you have it done! ::26:: ::26:: ::26::

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...................... ::012:: ::012:: ::012::

 

[RMac]

Once you have your ECU flashed you'll never want to go back! You don't know what you're missing till you have it done! ::26:: ::26:: ::26::

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...................... ::012:: ::012:: ::012::

Plus PCV, plus catless headers, plus aftermarket can and if you weigh less than 85kg, then wooooooooohoooooooooo. If only ECU flash and none of the rest then all you feel is improved 1-3 linearity plus somewhat better roll-on at highway speeds. That's my perception at-least.

 

[Rasher]

If only ECU flash and none of the rest then all you feel is improved 1-3 linearity plus somewhat better roll-on at highway speeds. That's my perception at-least.

Probably all I need TBH, rarely get into 3 figures, but use low-midrange drive most of the time.

My point on the extra power is stats sell, on paper it is behind the Versys, Crosstourer, Explorer and MTS and although identical to the GS UK dyno tests have shown the GS has more at the wheel so either BMW are more honest on the output or lose less through the drive (probably the latter seeing how fragile they are)

It does not help that in the UK it costs more than the four cyclinder Honda and three cylinder Triumph (and is nearly £2500 more than the Kawasaki)

The MCN test also had it slowest on top speed, slowest on 0-60, slowest on 1/4 mile, second slowest on top gear roll-on (but that was not fair as it was from 40-120 which is towards the top speed of all the twins so massively favoured the Triumph, Kawasaki and Honda - plus the superbike engined Duc of course)

It was best braking from 70-0 and 2nd on fuel consumption.


Despite all the results I still think if you take into account long term ownership considerations such as servicing costs and reliability it is still a great package, just needs to be a little cheaper in the UK, hoping the glut of new adventure bikes will put downward pressure on used prices.

 

[streaky]

Probably all I need TBH, rarely get into 3 figures, but use low-midrange drive most of the time.

My point on the extra power is stats sell, on paper it is behind the Versys, Crosstourer, Explorer and MTS and although identical to the GS UK dyno tests have shown the GS has more at the wheel so either BMW are more honest on the output or lose less through the drive (probably the latter seeing how fragile they are)

It does not help that in the UK it costs more than the four cyclinder Honda and three cylinder Triumph (and is nearly £2500 more than the Kawasaki)

The MCN test also had it slowest on top speed, slowest on 0-60, slowest on 1/4 mile, second slowest on top gear roll-on (but that was not fair as it was from 40-120 which is towards the top speed of all the twins so massively favoured the Triumph, Kawasaki and Honda - plus the superbike engined Duc of course)
Thats what your doing wrong readind mcn! did they run the yamaha with the TCS on ?, I have now the ecu reflash,arrow headers.mivv can,pcv, kn, This bike will not disapoint ,It pulls from nothing in any gear,You will just have to buy one to find out , PS the more miles it gets the quicker it gets
It was best braking from 70-0 and 2nd on fuel consumption.


Despite all the results I still think if you take into account long term ownership considerations such as servicing costs and reliability it is still a great package, just needs to be a little cheaper in the UK, hoping the glut of new adventure bikes will put downward pressure on used prices.

 

[wmbrlkride]

Yes the V-Strom 1000 has the same restiction. I made my own derestictor and I love the power after I did it. Ok U guys that say your fine with the restiction on the Yamaha. So lets say U buy a Hi perf car and they do the same thing too it. Would U be happy? This is just another way the Govt. telling US that we R too stupid to ride M/C with this much power, cause we will harm ourselves. Let's tell Yamaha we want what we PAID for and that means all the power & torque the M/C is cabable of all the time and let US desticted it by using the right wrist........

 

[Big Blu]

Yes the V-Strom 1000 has the same restiction. I made my own derestictor and I love the power after I did it. Ok U guys that say your fine with the restiction on the Yamaha. So lets say U buy a Hi perf car and they do the same thing too it. Would U be happy? This is just another way the Govt. telling US that we R too stupid to ride M/C with this much power, cause we will harm ourselves. Let's tell Yamaha we want what we PAID for and that means all the power & torque the M/C is cabable of all the time and let US desticted it by using the right wrist........

Well 1st of all, this is NOT a high performance motorcycle, it's no ::021:: R1........ It's' an adventure tourer, sorta like an SUV, not a Porche. ::024::

Why are you so convinced the restriction is a governmentr regulation?? I'm thinking it's a design point carefully thought out by the manufacture, am i wrong?? ::022::

....and of course......... ::021::

Regards, Paul

 

[avc8130]

Well 1st of all, this is NOT a high performance motorcycle, it's no ::021:: R1........ It's' an adventure tourer, sorta like an SUV, not a Porche. ::024::

Why are you so convinced the restriction is a governmentr regulation?? I'm thinking it's a design point carefully thought out by the manufacture, am i wrong?? ::022::

....and of course......... ::021::

Regards, Paul

Paul,

I have been theorizing that also. The engineers are usually pretty smart cookies. Maybe this has more to do with maintaining intake air velocity or volume than limiting power directly .

Try kicking off your TCS. My bike suddenly has a lot more "snap" when I do. Certainly FEELS less restricted.

ac

 

[spasm]

Re: Re: 1-2-3 gear restiction

I have the Diapason reflash and am happy with the difference in the lower gears, and, surprisingly, there is a VERY noticable gain in top gear roll-on acceleration which I happily discovered during a long trip on last Sunday. I took another ride during lunch break today, picked up some food at a convenience store, then set out to catch up with a friend who had just left the same store. I was wondering why the bike felt so sluggish :question: At the first stoplight, I realized the bike was still in T-mode. Switched to S-mode and noticed to TC light going nuts in 1st and 2nd gear as the bike thrusted forward with new found authority and crisp response, briefly elevating the front wheel in 1st and 2nd gear...this was in TC-1. I can imagine how much fun those takeoffs will be in TC-2 or with TC off once the roads get warmer 8)

This is not meant to counter the guys who say the bike is plenty powerful enough in stock form..especially the U. S. spec bikes. To me, just the thought of having a restiction that limits the TB opening was enough motivation to get the mod done, but I admit I'm picky about that sort of thing... I want everthing the bike is capable of in stock form. I love the response of a bike with pumper carbs, and thats how this mod feels in S-mode; the response is immediate. Lazy commutes through stop-n-go traffice or smooth 2-up touring are made easy by just switching back to T-mode.

Again, there is no right or wrong and the guys who argue that the bike is fine in stock form have a very good argument...if I had never heard about the restriction, I would still be very happy with this bike. You can't go wrong either way.

One if the best posts I've read in this forum

 

[Tremor38]

Paul,

I have been theorizing that also. The engineers are usually pretty smart cookies. Maybe this has more to do with maintaining intake air velocity or volume than limiting power directly .

Try kicking off your TCS. My bike suddenly has a lot more "snap" when I do. Certainly FEELS less restricted.

ac

In at least one country, Germany, the official answer from Yamaha was that the restriction is there due to emissions regulations. Whether that has to do with noise emissions or carbon they did not specify. By most accounts, the U.S. bikes don't seem to be as restricted, with the exception of 6th gear roll-ons. With my reflash, there is no 'hesitation' regardless of TC mode, so I'm not quite following those who say there is a hesitation due to TC mode. TC won't intervene unless there is wheel spin. Maybe 'hesitation' is being confused with the TC actually doing its job, because the effect will be roughly the same.

 

[wmbrlkride]

Paul,

I have been theorizing that also. The engineers are usually pretty smart cookies. Maybe this has more to do with maintaining intake air velocity or volume than limiting power directly .

Try kicking off your TCS. My bike suddenly has a lot more "snap" when I do. Certainly FEELS less restricted.

ac

Paul,
If this was true the reflashing of the ECM wouldn't restore the power. And who says it NOT a Hi preformance Adventure M/C. Maybe Yamaha is afraid their product would fail if we were allowed to have the power that the engine produces. I like to see if the new Truimph Explorer will come resticted. Is the BMW GS 1200 resticted? As far as the Govt. goes ????

 

[avc8130]

In at least one country, Germany, the official answer from Yamaha was that the restriction is there due to emissions regulations. Whether that has to do with noise emissions or carbon they did not specify. By most accounts, the U.S. bikes don't seem to be as restricted, with the exception of 6th gear roll-ons. With my reflash, there is no 'hesitation' regardless of TC mode, so I'm not quite following those who say there is a hesitation due to TC mode. TC won't intervene unless there is wheel spin. Maybe 'hesitation' is being confused with the TC actually doing its job, because the effect will be roughly the same.

Theoretically, if TCS is doing ANYTHING, the light should be flashing, right?

ac