1-2-3 gear restiction

[wmbrlkride]

I have a question about the first three gears restiction. I had a V-Strom 1000 and to get by Suzuki restiction we tapped into the signal wire to the ECM that told it what gear it was in. By installing a resistor of a value that was equal to the value use in 4th gear, we were able to make the EMC think it was in 4th.So the restiction was gone. I'm electronically challeged. Maybe someone can chrime in and tell me if this is also possiblity with the Tenere. TIA

 

[GrahamD]

Nope.

Uses fancy pants smart ass Brainic ECU stuff to figure it out for it's self. No one likes a smart ass. But I don't really give a toss myself. I can ride a three speed any old time

 

[MAQUINATDC]

I have a question about the first three gears restiction. I had a V-Strom 1000 and to get by Suzuki restiction we tapped into the signal wire to the ECM that told it what gear it was in. By installing a resistor of a value that was equal to the value use in 4th gear, we were able to make the EMC think it was in 4th.So the restiction was gone. I'm electronically challeged. Maybe someone can chrime in and tell me if this is also possiblity with the Tenere. TIA

Hi BlueByU

How do you know that the Supertenere 1200 are reestricted in the 1-2-3 gears? is it feels? or some kind of failure? or simply does not give the "power"?

 

[Don in Lodi]

Hi BlueByU

How do you know that the Supertenere 1200 are reestricted in the 1-2-3 gears? is it feels? or some kind of failure? or simply does not give the "power"?

You're new, I'll answer. By the dynomometer graphs, and by some seat of the pants results, there is a dip in the power output of the first three gears, below something like 5000 rpm. It seems that the tree huggers have determined that the bike shouldn't be able to deliver it's full rated horsepower and torque numbers in the first three gears. For most it's a non-issue. For others it's not "perfect", so they do something about it. I like it just the way it is.

 

[MAQUINATDC]

You're new, I'll answer. By the dynomometer graphs, and by some seat of the pants results, there is a dip in the power output of the first three gears, below something like 5000 rpm. It seems that the tree huggers have determined that the bike shouldn't be able to deliver it's full rated horsepower and torque numbers in the first three gears. For most it's a non-issue. For others it's not "perfect", so they do something about it. I like it just the way it is.

Hi Don in Lodi,

Thaks for your answer, i will like to know your view point about it.

How do you feel the bike with that restrtiction?

Have you compared the bike with and without?

 

[Don in Lodi]

Hi Don in Lodi,
Thaks for your answer, i will like to know your view point about it.
How do you feel the bike with that restrtiction?
Have you compared the bike with and without?

I'm completely satisfied with the bike in it's current state. I have not gotten a ride on a reprogrammed bike, don't have any desire to. This bike has about 30 more horsepower, 40 more footpounds of torque, and weighs 200 pounds less than the cruiser I've been riding for the past fifteen years. It is so much more motorcycle than my limited thirty years experience has gotten me. She'll do as is.

 

[MAQUINATDC]

I'm completely satisfied with the bike in it's current state. I have not gotten a ride on a reprogrammed bike, don't have any desire to. This bike has about 30 more horsepower, 40 more footpounds of torque, and weighs 200 pounds less than the cruiser I've been riding for the past fifteen years. It is so much more motorcycle than my limited thirty years experience has gotten me. She'll do as is.

Ok Don


Thanks for your opinion.

 

[creggur]

I'm completely satisfied with the bike in it's current state. I have not gotten a ride on a reprogrammed bike, don't have any desire to. This bike has about 30 more horsepower, 40 more footpounds of torque, and weighs 200 pounds less than the cruiser I've been riding for the past fifteen years. It is so much more motorcycle than my limited thirty years experience has gotten me. She'll do as is.

Funny how perspective works isn't it?

I thought I was going to drop the coin on the reflash, and I still may at some point. Having said that as my Tenere breaks in more and more, the less I feel the need for it. Maybe the bike feels more powerful as it's loosened up, or maybe I've adjusted to it, or both - I don't know. It never felt particularly anemic nor bloated to me from the start. The Tenere has essentially the same horsepower, 20 more footpounds of torque, and weighs 30 pounds more than the sport-tourer I'd been on for the past two years - but it feels lighter, is more balanced, and way more comfortable than that bike ever was.

 

[Tremor38]

Funny how perspective works isn't it?

I thought I was going to drop the coin on the reflash, and I still may at some point. Having said that as my Tenere breaks in more and more, the less I feel the need for it. Maybe the bike feels more powerful as it's loosened up, or maybe I've adjusted to it, or both - I don't know. It never felt particularly anemic nor bloated to me from the start. The Tenere has essentially the same horsepower, 20 more footpounds of torque, and weighs 30 pounds more than the sport-tourer I'd been on for the past two years - but it feels lighter, is more balanced, and way more comfortable than that bike ever was.

I have the Diapason reflash and am happy with the difference in the lower gears, and, surprisingly, there is a VERY noticable gain in top gear roll-on acceleration which I happily discovered during a long trip on last Sunday. I took another ride during lunch break today, picked up some food at a convenience store, then set out to catch up with a friend who had just left the same store. I was wondering why the bike felt so sluggish :question: At the first stoplight, I realized the bike was still in T-mode. Switched to S-mode and noticed to TC light going nuts in 1st and 2nd gear as the bike thrusted forward with new found authority and crisp response, briefly elevating the front wheel in 1st and 2nd gear...this was in TC-1. I can imagine how much fun those takeoffs will be in TC-2 or with TC off once the roads get warmer 8)

This is not meant to counter the guys who say the bike is plenty powerful enough in stock form..especially the U. S. spec bikes. To me, just the thought of having a restiction that limits the TB opening was enough motivation to get the mod done, but I admit I'm picky about that sort of thing... I want everthing the bike is capable of in stock form. I love the response of a bike with pumper carbs, and thats how this mod feels in S-mode; the response is immediate. Lazy commutes through stop-n-go traffice or smooth 2-up touring are made easy by just switching back to T-mode.

Again, there is no right or wrong and the guys who argue that the bike is fine in stock form have a very good argument...if I had never heard about the restriction, I would still be very happy with this bike. You can't go wrong either way.

 

[Don in Lodi]

...if I had never heard about the restriction, I would still be very happy with this bike. You can't go wrong either way.

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[Big Blu]

I to was planning on a reflash but no longer feel the need. 4k miles and the T B synch with the 3/4 turn off set and I happy as a clam with the Big Blu machine! ::015::


If it's fast ya want....... get a 1198, s1000RR, Z14, ect....

As always, YMMV,

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Regards, Paul

 

[3putt]

Yeah, it is fine the way it is for me also. I came from the MTS1200 standard, and it was a get up and go bike, plus great handling. Very hard decision for me to give it up (if I could have more than one bike, it would still be here), and for me to try and chase the last bit of HP this bike can make would be totally wrong for me, both money wise, and result.

The down low smooth pulling torque and better mpg, plus larger fuel tank, plus better wind protection was key for me. I have made the handling nearly as good as the Multi12 also, so I am a happy camper. A big plus also is the outstanding electronics on this bike with the ABS and TC, just great!

 

[Boostedxt]

I love this bike so much i have called yamaha almost every week to bring the xt660z over so i can have 2.


Joe

 

[RMac]

Was the subject of this thread "how much you love your stock S10"?

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[Don in Lodi]

Was the subject of this thread "how much you love your stock S10"?

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Wellll, nope. Nobody seems to want to go and cut into their harness to see if they can fake their bike into thinking it's always in fourth gear.
And somebody did ask if it was thought to be a real problem. Everybody chose to answer that question instead.

 

[avc8130]

Wellll, nope. Nobody seems to want to go and cut into their harness to see if they can fake their bike into thinking it's always in fourth gear.
And somebody did ask if it was thought to be a real problem. Everybody chose to answer that question instead.

Is that possible? What wire?

 

[creggur]

At the first stoplight, I realized the bike was still in T-mode. Switched to S-mode and noticed to TC light going nuts in 1st and 2nd gear as the bike thrusted forward with new found authority and crisp response, briefly elevating the front wheel in 1st and 2nd gear...this was in TC-1. I can imagine how much fun those takeoffs will be in TC-2 or with TC off once the roads get warmer 8)

And just about every time I talk myself out of it some hooligan posts something like this and there I go thinking about it again. ::26::

I'll probably get it done at some point, but I'm in the market for new gear and helmet - and then there's the farkling that must be done. I figure I'll do it about the time my eyes start wandering to other bikes. Bam! Drop $450 and it's like an all new bike again... ::012::

 

[Don in Lodi]

Is that possible? What wire?

Need to talk to Blu Byu. He's the one that's heard of, or has done this thing to a Strom.

 

[Rasher]

To me, just the thought of having a restiction that limits the TB opening was enough motivation to get the mod done, but I admit I'm picky about that sort of thing... I want everthing the bike is capable of in stock form.

Me too.

Not about chasing BHP (Or I would still have my 1400) but about having the power I want, when I want it, at the revs I want it and in the gear I want it, not having to drop an extra cog / rev higher because Mr Yamaha thinks I can't handle the torque (or can't get a 100BHP bike through emmission tests that 200 BHP superbikes seem to pass with little or no restrictions)

Must admit I found the demo bike I tried OK, but from experience know what feels good low down near my home can feel very different on Alpine passes so will get a flash done the minute I get the bike.

 

[Monty]

Me too.

Not about chasing BHP (Or I would still have my 1400) but about having the power I want, when I want it, at the revs I want it and in the gear I want it, not having to drop an extra cog / rev higher because Mr Yamaha thinks I can't handle the torque (or can't get a 100BHP bike through emmission tests that 200 BHP superbikes seem to pass with little or no restrictions)

Must admit I found the demo bike I tried OK, but from experience know what feels good low down near my home can feel very different on Alpine passes so will get a flash done the minute I get the bike.

I just read your contributions on a thread today on UKGSER where you say that the S10 needs another 20BHP or so and is likely to flop this year compared to rivals (in the UK at least). To be honest I don't find the S10 much (if any) slower than the GS, and the smoothness of delivery and the low down torque are much more my cup of tea. Once I am reflashed I will be set for a couple of years at least. ::26::

Matt