You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?

[cyclemike4]

I would sure hate to be a Vince or Larry crash test dummy for BMW. I rode a new production GS last year and it had a tendency to get a bit of head shake at times. It was very strange feeling and even if I had liked the bike I would not buy one if it did that. I just brushed it off thinking it was the way it was set up for the demo rides. It was set as low as it could go and soft as it could go. Not sure if correct set up for me would have eliminated that or not. It is interesting reading about Kevin Ash and makes you wonder what happened there. I do not know what type of aluminum that frame is made out of on the BMW or even how it is made. I have not seen one but with these big bikes steel or aluminum if they are rode like yz 125's they are going to break. I see all those pro riders doing amazing things on those big bikes and actually in the video I watched of the T7 I could see the swing arm and frame flexing. Of course those people riding the Africa twins and KTMs and Yamaha's or what ever it is are not using those every day like I would and don't even care if they can ride it tomorrow or not. As far as welding the aluminum sure a tig welder with the right rod is always going to be best to control the heat and material in the weld but over the years between me my buddies and then all the kids we have welded several swing arms and a couple frames with a Lincoln electric buzz box and aluminum rods and have done very well with them. Some of it was extruded aluminum and some areas were cast but got the job done. We even welded an aluminum wheel back together and sort of got it semi straight! haha. Of course that was all play bike stuff and they were in the woods low speed stuff 40 mph or lower. I am not sure i would want to do that on a big bike. Guess if i was in another country and they could do it why not. Take it easy and get on to the next place.

 

[cyclemike4]

I think that Ducati V4S is pretty unique. Not ‘new’, but pretty cool tech from there race bikes. The engine is the frame. It has a little sun frame mounted to the front of the motor that holds the steer tube. (There race / street bike are carbon fiber frame)
And the rear has a trellis frame. Pretty cool actually. There is a video on you tube that shows one of there street legal race bikes being built. The tech with that carbon frame, I believe a carbon swing arm along with carbon wheels is really impressive. (I did not say practical)
From a design and engineering perspective, very cool………………..
A lot of race bread tech is included in there ADV motor scooter………….

They way you describe that it sort of makes me think of the way the Britten was put together. Yes very unique.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . The tech with that carbon frame, I believe a carbon swing arm along with carbon wheels is really impressive. (I did not say practical) From a design and engineering perspective, very cool………………..

. . . . Add that aluminum has a far shorter fatigue life than steel, and when cracks start to form failure can happen very very quickly. . . .

Ask the guys in that sub how that high-tech stuff works. The Russians use titanium in their subs for strength and weight. The problem being that titanium get brittle with age and dives/surfaces. I've heard that carbon fiber has a similar issue. We use HY-80 steel in our subs for strength and durability.

 

[Jlq1969]

Ask the guys in that sub how that high-tech stuff works. The Russians use titanium in their subs for strength and weight. The problem being that titanium get brittle with age and dives/surfaces. I've heard that carbon fiber has a similar issue. We use HY-80 steel in our subs for strength and durability.

“Maybe”, the answer to fatigue when using Titanium and carbon fiber… only Titan knows it….

 

[lund]

It’s all on the type of aluminum you use.
In our jet boats the entire boat is aluminum and the jarring and pounding they get will make your teeth fall out of your mouth with out a joke and ADV motorcycle will seem plush for application.
With the proper aluminum it will not crack or break, we also use it in snowmobile chassis, you’ll break the rider before cracking the frame, if properly engineered. Yamaha would be one to do it right.

 

[tntmo]

Aluminum frames been around for a long time, even before the first S10.
Yamaha IMO should had gone that rout in the first place in 2010. Their motocrosser had aluminum frames then.
Its all about proper geometry and steel frames is something more of a dinosaur, with the exception of HD. LOL
I guess its about cost and not leaving the competition too far behind.

KTM uses steel frames in their bikes, doesn't seem to be keeping them from race wins and they have no weight disadvantage compared to the other bikes. It's not so much about the material being used, it's more about the design.

 

[Jlq1969]

KTM uses steel frames in their bikes, doesn't seem to be keeping them from race wins and they have no weight disadvantage compared to the other bikes. It's not so much about the material being used, it's more about the design.

There is a video, in this forum and on YouTube, of a Ktm Adv, with a broken chassis (just at the weld)…..

 

[tntmo]

There is a video, in this forum and on YouTube, of a Ktm Adv, with a broken chassis (just at the weld)…..

There are videos all over the place of all kinds of broken items.

 

[~TABASCO~]

They way you describe that it sort of makes me think of the way the Britten was put together. Yes very unique.

I little different, but pretty cool thought and engineering.......

Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally First Ride Review - ADV Pulse

It was a scary moment in Albania, when I first cracked the throttle and hit the trail on Ducati’s Multistrada 1200 Enduro. This was 2015, and at that time the monstrous Italian machine was powered by a 90-degree V-twin which put a whopping 160 horsepower to the rear wheel. Factor in that this...

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[audiowize]

There are videos all over the place of all kinds of broken items.

KTM did have to modify the frame design on the 1190 to prevent this.

 

[Purificator81]

I little different, but pretty cool thought and engineering.......

Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally First Ride Review - ADV Pulse

It was a scary moment in Albania, when I first cracked the throttle and hit the trail on Ducati’s Multistrada 1200 Enduro. This was 2015, and at that time the monstrous Italian machine was powered by a 90-degree V-twin which put a whopping 160 horsepower to the rear wheel. Factor in that this...

www.advpulse.com

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Looks all promising but the beauty of the S10 is that it makes you wait the Time you need until all these innovations are tested to become reliable (hopefully) and then mainstreamed at a reasonable cost in bikes brands that you might prefer

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[audiowize]

just like the designer of the GS headlight had an eye problem… modern designers must like insect faces

This has created a new side hustle for at least one person.

 

[Sierra1]

I didn't know that they had turned the headlight into a beak.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Looks all promising but the beauty of the S10 is that it makes you wait the Time you need until all these innovations are tested to become reliable (hopefully) and then mainstreamed at a reasonable cost in bikes brands that you might prefer

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Yep.... this manufacture has had this tech for 2-3 years now.... You virtually cant find anything with issues or recall problems (that I have come across)... Looks like they got it correct out of the gate...... Just like car stuff, many of these items will be 'trickle down' to other brands & bikes......... This is probably provided by BOSCH and currently they want a premium from manufactures for the use of these items.... It's the same hardware across manufactures............... Triumph / BMW / Ducati look to be all using some of this same hardware that is available... I think the new GS 1300 will have almost all the "tech" that the V4S is offering now. What is interesting and 'cool' to me is you can change so many perimeters on the fly and turn off what you dont need or want.....
Im down for safety stuff..... 'normal ABS' has saved my life twice already...... It only takes onetime, for me to realize that accidents can and do happen. This "tech" could allow me to make it home and eat dinner again............

 

[Checkswrecks]

Triumph, BMW, KTM, and Ducati are competing for more horses and less weight. But all three are now $20,000+ motorcycles (retail).

Yamaha knows who their customers are and do a lot of customer research. What Yamaha has kept in focus with their big bikes (FJR, S10, etc) is a better balanced all-rounder without driving cost up like the others.

 

[Purificator81]

Triumph, BMW, KTM, and Ducati are competing for more horses and less weight. But all three are now $20,000+ motorcycles (retail).

Yamaha knows who their customers are and do a lot of customer research. What Yamaha has kept in focus with their big bikes (FJR, S10, etc) is a better balanced all-rounder without driving cost up like the others.

Does it mean we are a bunch cheap a**es LOL absolutely not! I just placed an order of 2500 usd for a new kit of suspension for my S10 and in the process of placing an order (1000 usd) for a rally replica tower for the dashboard and roadbook/tablet that hopefully eliminate the stupid yamaha stay 1 part...just saying it is not about money

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[~TABASCO~]

Triumph, BMW, KTM, and Ducati are competing for more horses and less weight. But all three are now $20,000+ motorcycles (retail).

Yamaha knows who their customers are and do a lot of customer research. What Yamaha has kept in focus with their big bikes (FJR, S10, etc) is a better balanced all-rounder without driving cost up like the others.

Sad part to this is they are old and largely not updated. (Some folks love this aspect) Not only this- both of these bike are on the way out and at the end of the production life.



What comes next ? The new Gen, of 600-750-900cc bikes with more tech and price for less CC.

I don’t have anything to complain about. I’m. It buying. It’s fun to sit back and watch the market / industry change.

Isnt the Tenere now $17-$18K + TTL? Like all the other brands, you add anything to them and tax and your at $20K. They ALL are all expensive.
Being a fly on the wall and reading from afar, it’s interesting to me the folks that are buying all these $25K + bikes. When two cheese burgers from Whataburger cost $22, you something in this “world” is screwed up…………………………

shocking…………. LOL

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . What Yamaha has kept in focus with their big bikes (FJR, S10, etc) is a better balanced all-rounder without driving cost up like the others.

Yup, and that's why the paint jobs from '18 onwards have been what they are.

Does it mean we are a bunch cheap a**es LOL absolutely not! . . . .

Nope. It just means that we're not going to just throw our money away. Investment v. reward.

 

[Tenman]

I just ran across an add for a 2023 Triumph 1200 tiger gt explorer in Plano Texas for $18500. I’ve got 2 prices from dealers closer to home for $24k out the door with t&t. I test rode one Saturday. I told the salesman to turn off the riding modes before I took a spin. It was obvious he didn’t know how to do anything.It wouldn’t lift the front wheel in first gear. I gassed it at 2k rpm to 7k.. Their website said it had 3 miles on it. It actually had 360 miles on it. No big deal but I hate a liar. Waiting to see what the Plano dealership says.

 

[thughes317]

Sad part to this is they are old and largely not updated. (Some folks love this aspect) Not only this- both of these bike are on the way out and at the end of the production life.



What comes next ? The new Gen, of 600-750-900cc bikes with more tech and price for less CC.

I don’t have anything to complain about. I’m. It buying. It’s fun to sit back and watch the market / industry change.

Isnt the Tenere now $17-$18K + TTL? Like all the other brands, you add anything to them and tax and your at $20K. They ALL are all expensive.
Being a fly on the wall and reading from afar, it’s interesting to me the folks that are buying all these $25K + bikes. When two cheese burgers from Whataburger cost $22, you something in this “world” is screwed up…………………………

shocking…………. LOL

Yeah, I'm seeing 2023 S-10's at $15-16K. New KTM 1290 SAS $19-20K. That's still a substantial price difference in anybody's book so I guess it's a personal decision on whether the tech and performance upgrade is worth it or not. (They still sell a shitload of KLR and DR 650's)