Yamaha (Warn) Winch- short video and photos

[sail2xxs]

Very true. You could get a set of Ronstan (or similar) triple blocks from a marine catalogue. Some line, say 80 feet or so maybe, and one person could lift that bike right of the ground. Cost about $250.00 or less. I don't know what the winch costs, but the block and tackle needs basically no maintenance and will always work.


I guess I should have read further before posting. Except people are suggesting 2 to 1 ratios. I think you would want at least a 4 to 1. Better yet a 6 to 1. But good quality blocks aren't cheap.

I'd keep things really simple from a block perspective. RONSTAN Series 50 has the right working load; two of the 51101 blocks ($~29/each) rigged as a gun tackle (2:1) should do the trick without requiring huge amounts of line.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=24758&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50057&classNum=50062

Chris

 

[offcamber]

I'm pretty sure there is someone on ADVRider that has this all figured out...I'll try and find the link.

Or the uber cheap setup....

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=11839&R=11839

 

[chuma]

I'd keep things really simple from a block perspective. RONSTAN Series 50 has the right working load; two of the 51101 blocks ($~29/each) rigged as a gun tackle (2:1) should do the trick without requiring huge amounts of line.

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=24758&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&storeId=11151&storeNum=50045&subdeptNum=50057&classNum=50062

Chris

Well, to each his own. I just don't think a 2 to 1 ration is going to do much for you. Heck, the Warn 17 has a 1700 pound pull. I thought we were talking about a cheaper manual way to substitute for that kind of power.

 

[chuma]

I'm pretty sure there is someone on ADVRider that has this all figured out...I'll try and find the link.

Or the uber cheap setup....

http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=11839&R=11839

There you go. 1/4" line will be a little hard on the hands, but can't beat the price.

 

[Firefight911]

Well, to each his own. I just don't think a 2 to 1 ration is going to do much for you. Heck, the Warn 17 has a 1700 pound pull. I thought we were talking about a cheaper manual way to substitute for that kind of power.

Uhh, ok, you go with that. I'll watch......and then call for two pick up trucks. One for the front half of your bike and another for the back half.


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[chuma]

Uhh, ok, you go with that. I'll watch......and then call for two pick up trucks. One for the front half of your bike and another for the back half.




You seriously think I am going to be able to just pull apart my bike like taffy with a 6 to 1 purchase? Then why would Yamaha offer a winch kit with even more power? It will be fine. No worries.





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[oilfield_trash]

You guys also realize you could buy a block setup with room for three lines and only use 2? Then You could try fast and gentle before resorting to getting rougher.

 

[CDMartin884]

The winch should be rated a minimum of 1.5 times the GVW of your vehicle for proper extraction. With that being said, you should also understand how a winch works to take advantage of its full potential. Deploying the proper amount of line from the winch has as much to do with its puling power as the planetary gears that drive it. So depending on how many wraps of the drum you have when you engage the winch will determine how much of that 1,700 lbs of potential pulling power you will actually get. The more wraps on the drum decreases the pulling power, less wraps on the drum increases pulling power, and the optimum power is with 3 to 4 wraps on the drum (For clarification: a wrap of the drum is one (1) circumnavigation of the drum by the rope). So with a Warn XT17 that has 40' of synthetic winch line, that is a lot of line-out to get the winches potential power. Not to mention the fact that vehicle resistance has as much to do with winching as pulling power does, and considering a motorcycle will NEVER get as stuck as a 4x4 (Just due to the lack of surface area), it is safe to say that the risk of doing damage to your bike from actual winching with proper technique is pretty non-existent. That being said, improper techniques and poor decision making on the operator's part are the usual culprit when bad things happen.

As a side note, I saw the way the winch plate attaches to the rear rack, and though its just for transport purposes, its still pretty flimsy with no reinforcement.


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User video of WARN XT17 Portable winch pulling motorcycle at Moab

 

[oilfield_trash]

As a drilling engineer, this whole conversation interests and amuses me. One of my primary duties is to deal with a gigantic block and tackle system. The redneck in me had one idea in his head. Now that I've considered it from a professional standpoint, I'll probably be buying a block and tackle system with some rope. It will save pounds and complexity,

 

[CDMartin884]

I can not see any overwhelming need for a winch on a bike unless you are traversing some serious off-road terrain solo in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

I can not see any overwhelming need for a winch on a bike unless you are traversing some serious off-road terrain solo in the middle of nowhere.

Not saying I'll buy one, but I can think of a few. I've had the Tenere stuck 3 times in the last 14 months. Once not too bad. One time a man on a horse came by and helped me out of the sand, the last one was 45 minutes of sweat and misery. None of those places were what I would call serious off road terrain. I mean does this look like serious off-road to anyone?



No, but that one spot was 25 minutes to move 30 feet forward to do it all over again.

So at the rate I'm going, a winch doesn't look like a terrible idea to me.

 

[limey]

Could have used one last year stuck three times in two hrs. And about 100 feet.

 

[pnwrider]

Hey guys, I put together a recovery kit like the one sold by best rest a couple of years ago. It is based on a Z-drag used in white water raft recovery. I have not had to use it yet but it is nice knowing I have it and can come in handy just having some length of static line.

Here is the basics of the system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-drag

80ft - Static cord, 8mm or 5/16" diameter
10ft - 1 inch wide webbing
2 - prusiks - I think I made mine out of 4 or 5mm assessory cord
2 - rescue quality carabiners
2 - prusik-minding pulleys

I think I had a little under $100 in my set up, good quality climbing gear is expensive.

-Ryan

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Could have used one last year stuck three times in two hrs. And about 100 feet.

I think I remember that. Weren't you looking for a photo tag of a bridge on a dirt road? What jerk put you up to that?



Sorry...

 

[Rubberbaby]

Does anyone know which "carry plate " used to hold the warn xt17 winch would work on the Alt rider carrier rack made for the ST??
Thanks for any info..I am looking to buy but see that alt rider is not one of the options listed for the carry plate (and I am not about to put the plastic Orem back on either..
Cheers

 

[Rubberbaby]

Bueller...... Bueller....... Bueller... ::017::

 

[jdk2man]

Hey guys, I put together a recovery kit like the one sold by best rest a couple of years ago. It is based on a Z-drag used in white water raft recovery. I have not had to use it yet but it is nice knowing I have it and can come in handy just having some length of static line.

Here is the basics of the system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z-drag

80ft - Static cord, 8mm or 5/16" diameter
10ft - 1 inch wide webbing
2 - prusiks - I think I made mine out of 4 or 5mm assessory cord
2 - rescue quality carabiners
2 - prusik-minding pulleys

I think I had a little under $100 in my set up, good quality climbing gear is expensive.

-Ryan

I would like to know where you got your prusik-minding pullies.
The cheapest I can find those (for good ones) is about $50 a piece. Though, you only need one of them, the other can be just a pulley.

Thier $180 package probably isnt a bad deal.

I just put a set together and it was not really cheap.

80' 8mm rope .50/foot = $40.00 (from a climbing store)
two 12' webbing straps. .36/ft = $8.64 (REI)
12' 5mm cord for prusiks. .32/ft = $3.84 (REI)
2 locking carabiners $8.95 ea = $17.90 (REI)
Belay device (since I dont have prusik minding pulley) = $16.95 (REI)
2 oscillante pullies $14.95 ea = $29.90

total with tax = $125.31

The other guys $180 setup only has 60' of rope, but two prusik minding pullies, bag, instructions plus a bit of profit and no running around to get everything doesnt make it to far off.

if I swapped out the prusik minding pullies in my setup, it would have added another $76.00 making the total over $200. then add on a bag.

Unless you can find cheaper good quality stuff, they arent really a bad deal.

 

[Rubberbaby]

Again....warn carry plate that fits altrider rack .....bueller....bueller.....bueller

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[sail2xxs]

AltRider's number is 206-922-3618

I'd be surprised if they didn't know.

Chris

 

[Rubberbaby]

Of couse I phoned them first....nothing

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