Yamaha 2013 model announcements

[HoebSTer]

I'd like Electronic Cruise Control and Yellow and Black paint scheme

Yeah, I would like the yellow to be offered as well! Haha

 

[fender5803]

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Some possible options if the bike stays around as it should because it is worthy IMHO.

I would like self canceling turn signals for the times I just forget to push the button after a turn. I just can't understand why they don't have this ... I think my 1978 RD400 had them ?? It just seems like a no-brainer to me-!! What the ____ am I missing - please.

I also would love flash to pass and hazard lights - come on -!!! I feel it could/should be an option that I could pay for - pretty please, not to mention a safty concern - duh !! Well at least the hazard flashers - double duh !!

I would also pay for cruise control, period.. As was said in a earlier post, on a long straight road it just plain makes sense, period.. It should just be included and if you aren't a fan of cc don't use it stoopid. This could be said for anything on a bike. I went thru my own stoopid period when I was younger when I decided I hated foot pegs, thought they were completely unnecessary and just plain in the way so I just didn't use them but I didn't make a big stink about them - no I did not I just took them off .... for a day and promptly realized what a dope I was, and put them back on.. OK digressing here ...

As for the color of the bikes, I used to think it was funny about how one color was faster or slower - sure it was funny to joke about it. It was simply a way to voice your favorite color choice. Ha ha ha. I did it, so did everybody, well almost everybody. Now when I see someone saying this color is faster and this color is not faster I just feel sorry for anybody reading it at the time, not to mention the writer - jeez. It is truly the lowest form of drivel, driveling or slobbering. Yawn, one person here even took himself seriously ... Ha Ha - Ha
Love you all - mostly - just kidding - I do love you all for the most part, I do I do - sort of ...

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[markjenn]

I would like self canceling turn signals for the times I just forget to push the button after a turn. I just can't understand why they don't have this ... I think my 1978 RD400 had them ?? It just seems like a no-brainer to me-!! What the ____ am I missing - please.

Self-canceling turns signals on motorcycles are highly controversial and anything but a "no brainer".

Because of the physics of how a motorcycle turns (by leaning rather than a steering wheel rotating), it is VERY difficult to sense when a turn has been completed and the signals should cancel. Various mfgs have taken runs at it, but none have worked very well. Instead, the engineers are forced into time/distance approximations of when to cancel and this results in lots of situations where they either cancel prematurely or leave the signal on long after the turn is completed.

As a "safety net" that eventually cancels when the rider occasionally forgets to cancel manually, they work fine and I like them for this purpose. But riders have expectations that the system can relieve them of having to manually cancel (like a car) and these expectations can't be met with current technology, at least economically. Most mfgs punt and just don't include the feature since it pisses off so many customers.

BMW is one mfg that generally does include the feature on most of their bikes. It uses both time and distance; the signals cancel when BOTH a time AND a distance constraint have been met.

- Mark

 

[Dallara]

Self-canceling turns signals on motorcycles are highly controversial and anything but a "no brainer".

Because of the physics of how a motorcycle turns (by leaning rather than a steering wheel rotating), it is VERY difficult to sense when a turn has been completed and the signals should cancel. Various mfgs have taken runs at it, but none have worked very well. Instead, the engineers are forced into time/distance approximations of when to cancel and this results in lots of situations where they either cancel prematurely or leave the signal on long after the turn is completed.

As a "safety net" that eventually cancels when the rider occasionally forgets to cancel manually, they work fine and I like them for this purpose. But riders have expectations that they can routinely have them self-cancel like a car does and these expectations can't be met. Most mfgs punt and just don't include the feature since it pisses off many customers.

- Mark

Wow... Guess nobody told that to Harley-Davidson. Their self-canceling signals on my '09 XR1200 work great, and the Kisan self-cancel module I put on my ancient, and now long-gone BMW R1150R worked terrific, too. There were also a lot of Yamaha's back there along the way that came with self-canceling signals that worked great, too.

Not that I need 'em, or really even miss self-canceling signals as most of my bikes don't have (or over the years haven't had) them... But if H-D can sell thousands of bikes worldwide every year with self-canceling signals then certainly Yamaha can.

Of course... BMW, Triumph, and others (as well as Yamaha in the past) have had great working, OEM, factory-installed cruise control systems and yet Yamaha doesn't seem to want to offer that, either. You want cruise, Mark... fender5803 wants self-canceling signals... What's wrong with that? Both are equally, and easily, technologically feasible and attainable, and at a reasonable cost. Yamaha simply chooses not to offer them.

Dallara



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[Bundu]

Wow... Guess nobody told that to Harley-Davidson. Their self-canceling signals on my '09 XR1200 work great, and the Kisan self-cancel module I put on my ancient, and now long-gone BMW R1150R worked terrific, too. There were also a lot of Yamaha's back there along the way that came with self-canceling signals that worked great, too.

Not that I need 'em, or really even miss self-canceling signals as most of my bikes don't have (or over the years haven't had) them... But if H-D can sell thousands of bikes worldwide every year with self-canceling signals then certainly Yamaha can.

Of course... BMW, Triumph, and others (as well as Yamaha in the past) have had great working, OEM, factory-installed cruise control systems and yet Yamaha doesn't seem to want to offer that, either. You want cruise, Mark... fender5803 wants self-canceling signals... What's wrong with that? Both are equally, and easily, technologically feasible and attainable, and at a reasonable cost. Yamaha simply chooses not to offer them.

Dallara



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good points! ::008::

The Explorer even gives you the option to select whether you want self-cancelling flasher or manual cancelling

I have the Audicator unit on my S10 and it actually works quite well, for me at least

 

[The Rotund One]

My '08 Royal Star had both an excellent cruise control and self cancelling signals. The signals cancelled based on distance traveled from where they were engaged. Yamaha already has the ability to incorporate both into any of their bikes.

 

[EricV]

I would like self canceling turn signals for the times I just forget to push the button after a turn. I just can't understand why they don't have this ... I think my 1978 RD400 had them ?? It just seems like a no-brainer to me-!! What the ____ am I missing - please.

Ok, I'll take a stab at explaining a major issue with self canceling turn signals. First, yes, I've had them on HDs and other bikes, the wife has them on her BMW. It's a safety and liability concern for the manufacturer. Each brand treats it differently, much as each of us do.

I don't care for self canceling signals because no matter how good they are, there are always times when they cancel before you want them to, and you have to constantly check to see that your signal is still on, still identifying to other drivers that your intent is to turn, often across their path.

The other hazard of self canceling signals is one I see my wife do constantly, and it's come close to killing her a couple of times. She's lazy. She relies on the self canceling mode nearly all of the time, rather than turning off the turn signal once she has completed a turn. Then she comes to another intersection while the turn signal is still on, still flashing her intent to turn... except she's not going to turn. I've seen cars turn in front of her because they thought she was turning the other way due to the signal still being on. She blindly passes intersections or driveways, again and again with the signal still on, often oblivious to the hazard she has created.

So from a liability stand point, in our litigious society, if you forgot to turn off your non-self canceling turn signal, or left it on, it's completely operator error. Any accident resulting from this is your fault alone.

OTOH, if your signal turned off before you had an opening for the turn, then you turned, expecting traffic to be aware you were going to turn, and had an accident, it's conceivable that you would blame the oem. Ditto for that car turning in front of you, (the most common motorcycle/car accident), because they thought you were turning the other way with your turn signal still left on after you had previously made a turn.

 

[3putt]

ok - northern arkansas 8/23-8/26

Think we have about 7 or 8 bikes headed that way for the weekend. (Eureka Springs 8/20-8/23) I will be the only S10 however.

I am following a fellow on the Multi12 forum that has created an app (think for the iphone) that will allow him to control the speed of the engine while running a dyno. But now he realizes that more people are interested in the CC, so has finished the code and will reflash your ECU with a basic tune to help the low speed roughness of the Multi12 PLUS add CC. The Multi12 uses the start button after the engine is running to manage heated grips, and he has opted to use this also for CC.

Either brake or clutch will deactivate. This is really new, so no beta testers YET, but several volunteers already. Our bike has all the parts also I believe, just need him to take a look at our setup and ECU to see how hard to program a flash.

Not sure if you have to be a forum member to read this thread, but here is the link. The fellow's username: Wmcdonal (this is a old thread and he chimes in about page #9
http://www.ducati.ms/forums/44-multistrada/106259-mts1200-cruise-control-factory.html

As for the speedo being off, I installed the speedDRD early and after lots of trial and error settled on 6.1%, which leaves the speedo about 1 mile fast.

I also installed the GIPRO gear indicator early on, and it works sorta, (clutch must be engaged and bike rolling) there is a 1 second delay while the device computes which gear the bike is in. I do like gear indicators, but even with mine in full sight, I have found myself in 5th for many miles leaving a small town when I was distracted by traffic or what ever.

Multi12 and Diavel has gear indicator, plus my little Street Triple does also, very nice feature. The Street Triple and Diavel do not have a fuel guage, and they both hit the reserve light about 130 miles.

 

[viewdvb]

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Some possible options if the bike stays around as it should because it is worthy IMHO.

I would like self canceling turn signals for the times I just forget to push the button after a turn. I just can't understand why they don't have this ... I think my 1978 RD400 had them ?? It just seems like a no-brainer to me-!! What the ____ am I missing - please.

I also would love flash to pass and hazard lights - come on -!!! I feel it could/should be an option that I could pay for - pretty please, not to mention a safty concern - duh !! Well at least the hazard flashers - double duh !!

I would also pay for cruise control, period.. As was said in a earlier post, on a long straight road it just plain makes sense, period.. It should just be included and if you aren't a fan of cc don't use it stoopid. This could be said for anything on a bike. I went thru my own stoopid period when I was younger when I decided I hated foot pegs, thought they were completely unnecessary and just plain in the way so I just didn't use them but I didn't make a big stink about them - no I did not I just took them off .... for a day and promptly realized what a dope I was, and put them back on.. OK digressing here ...

As for the color of the bikes, I used to think it was funny about how one color was faster or slower - sure it was funny to joke about it. It was simply a way to voice your favorite color choice. Ha ha ha. I did it, so did everybody, well almost everybody. Now when I see someone saying this color is faster and this color is not faster I just feel sorry for anybody reading it at the time, not to mention the writer - jeez. It is truly the lowest form of drivel, driveling or slobbering. Yawn, one person here even took himself seriously ... Ha Ha - Ha
Love you all - mostly - just kidding - I do love you all for the most part, I do I do - sort of ...

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Well here in the UK we have had both Flash to Pass and Hazard Warning as standard from the start. Mine's a First Edition and it has them - left handlebar switches. Do they really have different switchgear in the US? If so, it must be because there is some bizarre legislation that forces a change. I know from importing US bikes that there is a fashion there for running the turn signals permanently on as running lights (Illegal here) which then flash when used as turn signals. If that's your setup on the S10, maybe that configuration makes hazard switching a problem. Why they would REMOVE the pass switch I cannot guess. Maybe you ought to investigate fitting UK switchgear.
Like other contributors, I have reservations about auto-cancelling turn signals. I've had experience on both a GL1800 and a Ducati Multistrada. The simplest thing to say is that they never seem to switch off (or stay on) when you want them to and absolutely cannot be relied upon. The cure is what I have done on most of my recent bikes - fitted high intensity diodes wired in parallel to the signals (easy wiring with just a resistor in series - no effect on the flash rate) up high on the windscreen or somewhere similar where they cannot be missed. Problem solved - you never forget to switch them off again and isn't that what you're concerned about? The real problem is that the warning lights are too dim and mounted where you don't see them unless you check.

 

[20valves]

Well, if we're down to wishing it had self canceling turn signals and a hazard flasher, I think they must have the basic package pretty well settled, eh? ::008::

Other than a new color option or two, I expect zero changes to the Super Ten. Bold new graphics on everything else, even the R1. EXCEPT, for these bombshells:

1. cross plane crank FZ-1
2. cross plane crank FJR
3. Street Legal WR450R
4. A Polaris Razor killer Rhino with a Super Tenere motor in it.

These predictions are based on careful market study, keen insight, boredom and some wine. ::26::

 

[Big Blu]

Gear indicator would be nice, no?

Regards, Paul

 

[viewdvb]

Gear indicator would be nice, no?

Regards, Paul

Readily available from HealTech, reasonably cheap, fairly easy to fit if you want one.

 

[Big Blu]

Readily available from HealTech, reasonably cheap, fairly easy to fit if you want one.

Thanks, I'll look into that.

Regards, Paul

 

[Bundu]

Thanks, I'll look into that.

Regards, Paul

just remember that the gears are ONLY indicated, whilst the motor is running and the clutch is NOT engaged - it works by calculating the gear from the RPM and speed ratio

 

[Big Blu]

just remember that the gears are ONLY indicated, whilst the motor is running and the clutch is NOT engaged - it works by calculating the gear from the RPM and speed ratio

Then it's not what I need. I've been know to stall when leaving a red light/stop sign because I was in too high a gear when I engaged the clutch.
No need to know the gear when I'm rolling.

Regards, Paul

 

[bloodline]

White or Grey. It's on the US website now.

 

[Firefight911]

The white is very nice but I think I'd go with the gray if I had those two to chose this time around.

 

[roy]

I really like the white.

 

[motoolfan]

Love the white, but would probably go with the 2012 black when I get to the point of buying one (hopefully I can still get one)

 

[Yamaguy55]

I really like the white.

So do I. I've always liked the red/white/black scheme.