Will you take the vaccine

[Sierra1]

. . . . Highly educated, but an absolute idiot. My boss/owner of the motorcycle shop where i worked in college had only a GED, but was a brilliant businessman. Not highly educated, but very, very intelligent.

aka: book smart v. street smart.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Education and intelligence are not the same thing. One of the least intelligent people with whom I dealt had a Ph.D in engineering. Highly educated, but an absolute idiot. My boss/owner of the motorcycle shop where i worked in college had only a GED, but was a brilliant businessman. Not highly educated, but very, very intelligent.

Amen to that!

My brother is contrarian on a lot and just wrote that more people die of the cold and common flu so he's not getting the shot. This was my response:

Up to you if you want to choose different but the facts are that while the US alone has had over 341,000 die of COVID in less than a year, "only" 56,000 died last year of the common cold and less than 61,000 of the flu. Plus the COVID counts are still growing. Without names, we in the family have somebody working at NIH and somebody else who has been working overtime in the development for a number of the vaccines. The first is getting her shot next week and the other just told me that enough others have now gone first that she is not worried about my getting the shot and that I should. I'm going to get it even if just to do what I can to end this and get back to life because even with ALL the cases in the US, we are at LESS than 10% of what it will take to achieve herd immunity naturally. (5.9% US population confirmed versus 70% required to achieve herd immunity) Actually, I'm being selfish because while I'm not worried about dying, the odds of being hit with long term effects suck and I intend to keep enjoying the time I'm given. You're younger and more fit at this point so should have better odds in that.

These aren't even old farts like me: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ohio-state-study-30-of-student-athletes-have-heart-damage-linked-to-covid-19

 

[thughes317]

.......spouse induced high blood pressure.

 

[Sierra1]

It's more contagious than people realize.

 

[Abercrombie tenere]

I took it yesterday and second dose is scheduled for January 28th.

 

[MattR]

Education and intelligence are not the same thing. One of the least intelligent people with whom I dealt had a Ph.D in engineering. Highly educated, but an absolute idiot. My boss/owner of the motorcycle shop where i worked in college had only a GED, but was a brilliant businessman. Not highly educated, but very, very intelligent.

“All the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools”
Eagles - Long Road out of Eden


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[MattR]

Apparently, 12 days after the first dose of Pfizer I get 72% protection. My next dose is in 21 days time. I was told to expect a headache or a ache in my arm but so far I have neither.


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[magic]

I have mild asthma and spouse induced high blood pressure. My doctor said my lungs are scared up from having pneumonia several times. One place I checked, said that didn't qualify at this time. My wife has diabetes, and received hers. That place said I qualified and stuck me; second dose in 30 days. So, apparently, like the rest of covid related information. . . . there's no hard and fast rules on how or when it's going to be distributed. I think that as many people that say they're not going to get vaxed. . . . there should be plenty for those that are.

After doing some reading, those 500 doses must have been left out for a while. Both vaccine will stay good at room temperature for hours. The Moderna vax only requires "normal" freezer temps; -4F. So, that's the one that most pharmacies will be getting/distributing. The Pfizer vax requires special freezers, which will limit who gets to dose it out. Otherwise both variations are similar, but they do vary. Beats the hell out of being on a ventilator.

Here's an update on those 500 doses. The local news reported that the hospital worker admitted to leaving those doses out of the freezer INTENTIONALLY. The worker was fired and the case was turned over to the authorities.

 

[Sierra1]

That person qualifies as a total piece of shit. Don't want the vaccine, fine. Your choice. Intentionally destroying it, is taking somebody else's choice away from them.

 

[Johnwesley]

That person qualifies as a total piece of shit. Don't want the vaccine, fine. Your choice. Intentionally destroying it, is taking somebody else's choice away from them.

Seems there are two camps and few people who understand freedom and what that really means. Taking people’s choice away is a larger crime then either of the other options. Its the lost concept of freedom that will make this nation morf into its new age that no longer resembles what it was created to be. Yeah, I know I’m the minority with this thought process, I’m just a few generations older than my age

 

[gunslinger_006]

Here's an update on those 500 doses. The local news reported that the hospital worker admitted to leaving those doses out of the freezer INTENTIONALLY. The worker was fired and the case was turned over to the authorities.

Im good with charging that person with multiple counts of attempted manslaughter.


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[Sierra1]

Seems there are two camps and few people who understand freedom and what that really means. Taking people’s choice away is a larger crime then either of the other options. . . .

Absolutely. My freedom doesn't override your, and yours don't override mine. And, you're right, people are not understanding that. I blame my generation. Discipline, and manners seem to have fell to the wayside. It's not the teachers job to teach those, that's the parent's responsibility.

If you think that you're a generation or two off. . . . my kids are even more out of whack. My dad raised me how he was raised. . . . I raised mine like I was raised. . . . and they're only in their 20's.

 

[MattR]

Seems there are two camps and few people who understand freedom and what that really means. Taking people’s choice away is a larger crime then either of the other options. Its the lost concept of freedom that will make this nation morf into its new age that no longer resembles what it was created to be. Yeah, I know I’m the minority with this thought process, I’m just a few generations older than my age

I suppose it depends on what process was used to create your nation in the first place? I would guess that the indigenous American Indians would have had a different view? In the UK our nation was forged by a succession of invaders. Non of them thought about the morality of having a vaccine or not but some, especially the Romans, had a clear view of what needed to be done for the common good. I’m sure that those poor souls that got cast out because they had leprosy or the plague would have leapt at the chance of a vaccine. The problem is now that people have a safety net (real or imagined) whereby they can choose not to take the vaccine knowing that if they do get covid the hospitals will sort them out.

“Bloated on entitlement and pumped full of propaganda “
Eagles - Long Road from Eden


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[Johnwesley]

i can hear what you say from a uk perspective, but what has been done in the UK hasn’t worked either. Some countries have banned planes into or out of the UK for the rapid growth there. That’s no propaganda, and that with some of the strictest regulations on covid.

 

[MattR]

Quite rightly in my view. The Brit virus is 70% more transmissible and spreads like wildfire. Any nation would do well to protect themselves from it. The UK has not done a good job at all where covid is concerned, mainly down to the right wing Tory party running down the NHS over the last 10 years to a point where we now have 38000 nurse vacancies and a total of 84000 NHS vacancies overall. Our leaders have consistently been late reacting to scientific advice which has lead to one of the highest death rates on Europe.


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[Sierra1]

Opinion: There's no "Brit" version of the virus. The same version is showing up over here in people with zero travel history. The virus is just mutating as viruses do. Improper cleaning may be to blame. . . . and maybe not. Just be glad that it's not worse than the other version(s). From what I've read, NZ is the only place that appears to be getting a handle on it. Less people?. . . . smaller land mass?. . . . restricted access?. . . . more cooperative citizens?

I can not imagine what it was like when the Spanish Flu was wiping out the world. I don't think they would have turned down a vaccine.

 

[MattR]

I was working on the assumption that if the original version was called the China virus because it was discovered there, then the next version would be called the Brit virus because it was discovered here.


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[Johnwesley]

Quite rightly in my view. The Brit virus is 70% more transmissible and spreads like wildfire. Any nation would do well to protect themselves from it. The UK has not done a good job at all where covid is concerned, mainly down to the right wing Tory party running down the NHS over the last 10 years to a point where we now have 38000 nurse vacancies and a total of 84000 NHS vacancies overall. Our leaders have consistently been late reacting to scientific advice which has lead to one of the highest death rates on Europe.


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in my opinion nobody really knows what’s going on or why, just that it’s bad. We have two of the cases like yours here. Funny thing is one guy has never been out of the country and doesn’t travel. What is so strange is how he got this mutation of the virus. Another oddity is how some people in good health get it and end up loosing their life over it. I’ve had two friends like that while others like myself and my family who have had it and I was like a flu. They consider me as high risk with my blood clot issues and lungs that don’t work to 100%. For me it didn’t effect me badl. My wife got it about the same time. Took me two weeks and her about a week. That was a month ago and she still cannot smell and I never lost smell or taste. Then take my dad in his mid 70s who was around us while we had it but didn’t know and he never got it nor did mom. This is the oddest thing I have seen. Seems to be no rhyme nor reason. Then how did the UK get this crazy strand of the virus. I’m just rambling with some prejudice thoughts and even more questions.

 

[Johnwesley]

Absolutely. My freedom doesn't override your, and yours don't override mine. And, you're right, people are not understanding that. I blame my generation. Discipline, and manners seem to have fell to the wayside. It's not the teachers job to teach those, that's the parent's responsibility.

If you think that you're a generation or two off. . . . my kids are even more out of whack. My dad raised me how he was raised. . . . I raised mine like I was raised. . . . and they're only in their 20's.

I did the same, its not PC anymore but they get what’s right and wrong and what being polite means. I feel like from that stand point I’ve not done as good of job as my dad. My kids are teenagers one 16 and the other 14 both girls growimg up in a crazy world. I‘m just glide I’m a hick raising my kids in small town America. I can’t imagine trying to do it under the urban curtain and influence. Gotta be tough.

 

[Sierra1]

City or country, ya' gotta stay in the middle of their shit. Not interfering, just watching, and "guiding". My first was a piece of cake. . . . the second. . . . . He asked me a couple of years ago after hearing me describe him to a friend of mine, "was I a bad kid?". I told him nope, but you tested those boundaries . . . . every freakin' day. It was my job to "remind" you of where the boundaries were. Of course I think they turned out good (biased), but enough other people have said such, so. . . . .