Will you take the vaccine

[Sierra1]

Since I have wandered so far afield from the thread . . . . I've been reading up on covid, and the vaccine recently. The anitbodies that you develop from the virus are different from the vaccination antibodies. Which is why they're recommending vaccination even after recovering from the virus. And here's an interesting quote from Houston Methodist Hospital:

In fact, a recent study found that unvaccinated adults were twice as likely to get reinfected with COVID-19 than those who got vaccinated after they'd recovered from their illness.

"We still know very little about the immune system's response to this virus, including how long protective immunity may or may not last," Dr. Septimus warns. "What we do have a clear understanding of is the strong protection that vaccine-induced immunity provides."

 

[Don T]

The countries with the highest vaccination rates have the highest Covid cases. This is a miserable failure.

You got it backwards.

I live in one of those countries.
We seems to have the highest number of Covid cases only because we test more people.
While we at the moment have the highest number of Covid cases during the pandemic, we see a drop in ICU patients.
The reason for that is that close to 100% of the ICU Covid patients are unvaccinated.

Even though the current vaccines doesn't protect you (much) from getting the omicron varient, it have succeeded to protect people from getting seriously ill by it.

As a result of the high vaccination rate we are now able to return to normal life without restrictions despite the high number of Covid cases, because it doesn't result in fatal illness or strain on the healthcare system.

The vaccines have been a booming success.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Some of us simple minded rubes are not inclined to let the nanny state tyrants take control of my body and my freedom. All this for something that has a 99% survival rate. Trust the Science? Fauci says he is the science. Science is about the discovery and the scrutiny of all the is known and to challenge the stated dogma. Do any of you find it interesting that Facebook, Utube, and Twitter as well as the MSM will suppress anyone who dares question the State opinion? Are you comfortable with that? Remove the word Covid and insert abortion or beef or alcohol or cigarettes or motorcycles or voting or whatever else we choose to do in our lives and tell us we can't have or do that.
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What happened to my body my choice?

I have no issue in that you aren't going to listen or investigate beyond your personal bias. We are all entitled to our own opinion, however well (or not) researched.

1. The Shots DO NOT stop transmission so why are you afraid of me?
2. The countries with the highest vaccination rates have the highest Covid cases.
3. This is a miserable failure.

Reality means sticking to the facts and data.

1. Proven false. The shots at WORST minimize transmission and have made it so the death rate is a small fraction of what it was. Further, the vaccines were developed for the original COVID-19 and and are less effective for the variants since then because they were so specific. It was intentionally the difference between using a scoped rifle and a shotgun and that is why Omicron has pushed the infection (NOT death) case count up so badly. The vaccines were not developed to account for variants so the case count in orange below is way up.
HOWEVER the original vaccines have proven to still massively reduce transmission for the variants and that is a massive success, let alone how they have reduced the RATE of deaths in the overall total case counts. (Black line in chart below not following the orange line up.)

2. Your statement is misleading because as Don T wrote, it's only because the developed countries test more, so - duh - they get more results.

3. Same as #1 in proven false.

 

[AZMike]

Since I am obviously in the minority here let pose a simple question. Now that we are in year two are you still willing to take punitive action against the medical personnel, first responders, military, truckers, and essential workers who were there for you in the first year of this flu when it really was dangerous because they disagree with you? Keep destroying lives to say I am right.

 

[lund]

Since I am obviously in the minority here let pose a simple question. Now that we are in year two are you still willing to take punitive action against the medical personnel, first responders, military, truckers, and essential workers who were there for you in the first year of this flu when it really was dangerous because they disagree with you? Keep destroying lives to say I am right.

Unvaxed are a minority, the majority are moving on. Stats say in my province British Columbia 92% are vax and in Canada 78% are FULLY vaccinated.
I guess that the minority believe they are smarter then the majority, including the medical specialist and science in general. Is the earth flat?

 

[pooh and xtine]

Since I am obviously in the minority here let pose a simple question. Now that we are in year two are you still willing to take punitive action against the medical personnel, first responders, military, truckers, and essential workers who were there for you in the first year of this flu when it really was dangerous because they disagree with you? Keep destroying lives to say I am right.

You're not necessarily in the minority, it's just that there is no mileage in trying to have a conversation when you're up against a religious belief. The world is divided between those who believe that covid was the plague and those who think we overreacted massively to a really bad cold that most of us were immune to.

 

[Sierra1]

I'm non-religious, and I've never known anybody to have died from a "really bad cold". The flu can be a killer, but again, I've never personally known anybody to die from the flu. I personally know of six that have died from covid. You are correct that most of us (98-99%) can/will survive covid. When this all started, were you certain that you wouldn't be in that 1-2%? And if you aren't in that percentage, were you certain that you would not have long term effects?

 

[Mak10]

Yeah pretty certain. I’ve known plenty of people after 2 years that have contracted Covid, yet only one death ( and that person had terminal cancer).
The tragedy I see is that it has made a division in people. Especially on this forum.

 

[Sierra1]

I'm not certain of anything. I can't be certain that when I ride today, that I won't get splatted. I take precautions, and live my life. I don't care if someone's not vaccinated. . . . I'll just keep my 6' of distance.

 

[pooh and xtine]

Just like covid 19, colds and flu regularly turn into pneumonia which kills huge numbers each year, particularly the elderly and those with underlying pulmonary conditions. In the past we’ve never tested for or measured cold and flu infections and related pneumonia deaths with the fanatical obsession that we applied to covid 19, but in doing so we’ve scared ourselves stupid. When it’s all forgotten about I think we may see that overall excess deaths during the past couple of years weren’t particularly significant - they were higher in the late 2000’s in the UK than in 2020/21.

 

[fac191]

You're not necessarily in the minority, it's just that there is no mileage in trying to have a conversation when you're up against a religious belief. The world is divided between those who believe that covid was the plague and those who think we overreacted massively to a really bad cold that most of us were immune to.

I don't see that as a religious belief.

 

[fac191]

I look at it this way. If we can get the vaccine by making small adjustments to an Ebola vaccine then i don't see why the virus can't do the same to itself. That is what worries the science / health comunities.

 

[Sierra1]

I always wondered why we couldn't cure the "common cold". Now, after read tons of stuff, I've learned that the "cold" is a SARS virus also. And, it constantly mutates. So, we would have to constantly tweak the cold vaccine which would probably be impossible. Omicron is reported to be very similar to the "common cold". We've been lucky that the mutations so far have been within the vaccine's effective envelope. I'm worried that it will come up with a mutation that will require a whole new vaccine. I think Omicron was close since there's been so many breakthrough cases. While being different enough for breakthrough cases, it was similar enough for the vaccine to provide some protection. But, what about the next mutation?

 

[Berg_Donk]

This site is an interesting collation of causes of death in each country. Some numbers no doubt a bit variable due to the vagaries of source data, nevertheless....

Select your country of interest, and you can drag the slider at the bottom to speed it up to current; https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/selected-deaths-vs-covid-19-australia

 

[Checkswrecks]

This site is an interesting collation of causes of death in each country. Some numbers no doubt a bit variable due to the vagaries of source data, nevertheless....

Select your country of interest, and you can drag the slider at the bottom to speed it up to current; https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/selected-deaths-vs-covid-19-australia

Fascinating -

I had no idea that COVID in the US has now killed more than heart attacks, lung disease (typically smokers with cancer), or strokes!
"It's no worse than the flu" - Bullcrap

Thanks!

 

[Sierra1]

The chart/map showing individual states' covid cases was kinda misleading. Many of the "high" states had the highest populations. Montana. Wyoming, Idaho, and the Dakotas showed "low". I'd be interested on the percentage of population for the states. That being said, low population means less contact, and therefore less cases.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . "It's no worse than the flu" - Bullcrap . . . .

Or a bad cold.

 

[AZMike]

[CONTENT DELETED - CW] The demographics of those of us that chose not to take the shot covers all political, social, and education backgrounds. I am an agnostic pro vaccine person. I just don't believe this qualifies as a vaccine. They said get the shot and Covid will be stopped. Then get the shot and Covid will be slowed. Then get the boosters and etc. Some of us have no problem with what you choose to do to your body. When it failed to stem transmission the world should have stopped all the ineffective theater and got back to living. Like the old margarine commercial said "It's not nice to fool with Mother Nature". What if this was allowed to run its course? What if the sick, elderly and at risk stayed home? Two years later and our leaders are still making nonsensical promises and predictions on something they have been wrong on so many levels. All this at enormous cost in lives, financial ruin, and untold human suffering. It is sad to see so many throw their freedoms to the wind for so little security.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Remember that personal attacks go over the line when you name somebody.
Don't go there.

 

[Jlq1969]

But, what about the next mutation?

Mutations, are what save the human species. Every time a virus mutates, its offspring are "worse", softer, less invasive, in short, less dangerous. If a virus mutated for the “better”, the human species would have disappeared, a couple of years after it appeared. Mutations are what save us. if the mutations were "perfected", the viruses would disappear too, they would be left without hosts where they could multiply