Over here, things today are beginning to be more complicated ... the percentage of infections, deaths and people who do not want to be vaccinated, is within the range of most countries, but ... today there are no shortages of vaccines, vaccination is no longer in turn according to age or risk, the great change came through the health system. If you are vaccinated with the two doses, the health system (private or public) will cover all expenses… .if you only have one dose or “no” you are vaccinated…. all expenses are borne by the patient (due to negligence)… It is not legislated yet, but some sectors of the government have already begun to disseminate it, with the idea of "indoctrinating" the anti-vaccines and letting them know that they have the freedom to continue choosing not to be vaccinated, but that freedom from now on will have a cost. (if you get sick from covid 19, obviously)
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Don't hold your breath !
Interesting about religion preventing vaccination. I guess it only became an issue with the covid vaccination? I don't seem to remember hearing anything about religious exemption issues with any of the other vaccinations of the past.
I think it's mostly interference from the internet, pork in the vaccine ect.
To my knowledge, People have claimed religious exemptions in the past but until the NY Measles outbreak a few years ago it was never a large or dense enough group to create a significant public health problem. The "Religious Exemptions" being claimed with Covid vaccines is way out of proportion to previous claims. It has become a rationalization rather than an underlying cause for resistance to being vaccinated as was the situation in the Measles outbreak.
IMHO, the whole controversy has become emotional rather than rational
I think it was Heinlein who said "man is not a rational animal. He is a rationalizing animal" I believe he is dead on point in this case
IMHO, the whole controversy has become emotional rather than rational
I think it was Heinlein who said "man is not a rational animal. He is a rationalizing animal" I believe he is dead on point in this case
thughes317
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Agreed, but......perhaps if the powers-that-be had approached vaccination campaigns from an educational perspective instead of these "get the shot or else" mandates, we might be in a better place by now? Just thinking out loud (and in hindsight).
Well there are some parts of our country that have large religious community’s that don’t vaccinate at all! Even rare diseases (that have been extinct in the rest of the country/world) now and then pop up. It’s ridiculous! There are GP’s now that go to those people and vaccinate them (for the few that want to, but can’t because of peer-pressure) secretly. I think it is a bit like the Amish that I have seen only on television. But they do ride a car, use modern electronics etc.
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I found it interesting that at least in the ports and touristy areas, Mexico has the police, complete with automatic weapons and bullet belts, enforcing mask wearing inside and out.
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My daughter has been living in Morocco since last year and they have the toughest restrictions of any African nation. Currently travel restrictions in or out. She reports that anyone using a public space (shops, stores, restaurants, etc) must have proof of vaccination (and masks obviously). She says people do not seem to be having any problem following the goverment guidlines so far. She and her boyfriend are vaccinated (here) but have not gotten the booster yet. I'm just glad she's healthy.
Prescience from 13 months ago. MattR posted this in December 2020
Matt, for this I suspect there is no joy in being right
Interesting numbers from Worldometer comparing USA, World and Morocco
Morocco World USA
Cases/1MM 25872 37681 171090
Death/1MM 396 701 2542
Interesting comparison. Yes, I recognize that data collection may not be equal but I think the differences are enough to be significant
Oh, I do understand that there are religions that honestly are against the vaccine, or other modern medicine. But, over here . . . . ?
I read about a large group of Navy S.E.A.L.s that are claiming religious exemption. The ones that I've met, have never been particularly religious one way or the other. (job description and all )It's still coming down to "you're not going to tell me what to do". Which I look at as an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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EXACTLY. There is no telling how many shots a Seal has to take if deployed.Oh, I do understand that there are religions that honestly are against the vaccine, or other modern medicine. But, over here . . . . ?
It's still coming down to "you're not going to tell me what to do". Which I look at as an example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Boot camps in all branches. I haven't met anybody that's gone through a military boot camp that doesn't remember getting in line and getting "shot". We didn't know, nor did we ask, what was in the shots. I guess times change . . . . even in the military.
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Wife got her booster yesterday, be my turn next.
WJBertrand
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About 5 days home now from our Mexican Rivera cruise now. We went with a group of 14 or so friends. As of yesterday 3 of them have come down positive for covid. They were all vaccinated as was required by the cruise line, but none that got sick were boosted as well. All have mild symptoms so far.
We also learned that our daughter’s family, all four of them, were sick after Christmas with similar symptoms, only my son in law was tested and he came back positive. None of them have been vaccinated (they’ve unfortunately bought into the conspiracy theories). It’s a contentious issue in the family. So far wife and I, exposed to both groups, have remained negative. My wife was tested 3 times and myself twice in the last month. We are both fully vaxxed and boosted with Moderna. It seems to be working.
I’m beginning to think the Omicron variant might be a blessing in disguise. It seems to be so much more infectious that it’s displacing the more lethal native and Delta variants. This could result in the more dangerous variants basically burning out if they cannot compete to maintain an adequate number of hosts against Omicron. Secondly almost everyone not previously infected or vaccinated will probably catch it at some point, elevating us up to herd immunity.
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We also learned that our daughter’s family, all four of them, were sick after Christmas with similar symptoms, only my son in law was tested and he came back positive. None of them have been vaccinated (they’ve unfortunately bought into the conspiracy theories). It’s a contentious issue in the family. So far wife and I, exposed to both groups, have remained negative. My wife was tested 3 times and myself twice in the last month. We are both fully vaxxed and boosted with Moderna. It seems to be working.
I’m beginning to think the Omicron variant might be a blessing in disguise. It seems to be so much more infectious that it’s displacing the more lethal native and Delta variants. This could result in the more dangerous variants basically burning out if they cannot compete to maintain an adequate number of hosts against Omicron. Secondly almost everyone not previously infected or vaccinated will probably catch it at some point, elevating us up to herd immunity.
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The Saturday before Christmas, I thought I had caught a cold. Typical symptoms of a cold, and none for covid. It was gone by Christmas Eve. Now, as they learn more about Omicron, it's most likely that's what I actually had. I heard today that lack of appetite is the latest symptom of Omicron. So, I had that, and: 1) no fever 2) night sweats 3) no loss of taste, and of course all the normal cold symptoms.
I've had all three shots, which I assume is what made it a nonstarter. I actually got over whatever it was, quicker than I have colds in the past. So, now, if what they're saying is true . . . . I will have natural antibodies/immunity, plus the vaccine antibodies . . . . which is supposed to be the best.
Which makes me agree with Jeff, that it could be a blessing in disguise. If a person is vaccinated, Omicron is not much of a big deal. If you're not vaccinated, it's the least lethal way to get natural immunity.
I've had all three shots, which I assume is what made it a nonstarter. I actually got over whatever it was, quicker than I have colds in the past. So, now, if what they're saying is true . . . . I will have natural antibodies/immunity, plus the vaccine antibodies . . . . which is supposed to be the best.
Which makes me agree with Jeff, that it could be a blessing in disguise. If a person is vaccinated, Omicron is not much of a big deal. If you're not vaccinated, it's the least lethal way to get natural immunity.
For most people. Some that have had the three shots are having one Hell of a bad time. It's a roll of the dice how bad it will hit you. I had several friends that got the original covid and except for getting the test, they wouldn't have known they had it. I also knew 22 people that died from it. Don't roll the dice.
Agreed. There's nothing absolute about the virus. Early on "they" said that blood type O seemed to be more resistant to it than the others. I haven't heard any further on that. It could be a factor as to the wide variances in people, and it could be crap. It was my understanding that it wasn't so much how many shots you've received, but the time since your last one; every six months.
Yup, it looks like we will be getting 2 more this year. Had my booster a week ago, sore arm was all I had luckily. Second booster around may/June and the next around November/December. We’ll see, I’ll be in line for sure.
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