why such bad reviews

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shrekonwheels said:
Why are you here? Seriously, thread after thread all you do is talk about how great the GS is. IF I wanted to hear the greatness of a BMW< I would hang out in a BMW forum, same for KTM, Honda, Kawasaki, Harley or whatever floats someones boat.
But I do not, I come on here to hear about the Tenere, and talk with other owners of like minded interest, just as I did when I rode a KLR, and when I rode a sportbike.
So unless you are paid by BMW to sell their over priced hunk of metal, I really do not get it.
i am not hear to talk about the bmw i am only saying this is what i have been used to and what i can compare it with so thats why i asked .i am on hear to talk about the super ten but as i dont have one yet or have even ridden one thats why i am asking .

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jackass dave said:
i am not hear to talk about the bmw i am only saying this is what i have been used to and what i can compare it with so thats why i asked .i am on hear to talk about the super ten but as i dont have one yet or have even ridden one thats why i am asking .

thanks and hello
Hello to you. [Clipped by CW]

If you read the link in my sig, I was in your exact position nearly a year ago :)
 

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Re: why such bad reviews--$$$$

The Tenere is a good bike. Plenty of power, nothing exotic. Dependable, comfortable, and reasonable to maintain. The problem with bike reviewers is that they do not have to put down there own $$$$ and live with their choice(s). I would love the new Ducati dual sport 160 hp bike. But, it is over a grand to have it serviced. If you are looking for a very good touring/fire road bike this is it. Find yourself a leftover 2014ES...enjoy the cruise control/heated grips/electronic suspension. If you plan on going truly "off road" you best look at a small displacement bike...that is light. If you are looking for something to ride to SA and back...find a good used KLR 650. You can get parts in SA and they are also...bulletproof!

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once again thanks ,no i am not interested in a super fast super handling bike so reliability and comfort come high on the list ,to be honest i am not even lets say a fast rider slow (ish)and steady .. plus i think the super ten is the nicest looking adventure bike out there .

now to find a test ride
 

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Don't worry if you find the screen useless on your test ride. It's a common issue with all big adventure bikes and several aftermarket options are available ::008::
 

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Hi Dave, and welcome to the board!

In my mind, the press always goes gaga over the super models (BMW, KTM), and ignores the girl next door (Yamaha). I've always found the girl next door to be a better fit, and usually more surprising...
 

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thanks for that the problem i am having is finding one to test ride i have phoned up three dealers and only one has a bike in stock and nobody has a demonstrator. and it would have to be a blue or white model i would be after
 

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Have you called to see if someone has a Motorcycle for Hire? Seems there are quit a few Rental companies in the UK, perhaps that is your best bet :)
 

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jackass dave said:
thanks for that the problem i am having is finding one to test ride i have phoned up three dealers and only one has a bike in stock and nobody has a demonstrator. and it would have to be a blue or white model i would be after
Hi JD
Try Woodford Motorcycles, ask for Pete, they have a late secondhand one they will let you ride
Tell Pete i sent you, he calls me Shifty Ray


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thanks for that funny enough i live up the road from wood motorcycles and i visited there when they first had a tenere in stock , will give them a call tommorow may even pop down if there open untill 6 thanks for that ray
 

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Hi if it's any help my view is the bike looks great, handles well enough. I ride a zzr 1400 as well as the Tenere and don't really find the yam lacking in power for what it is and is used for. Is great for long journeys comfortable and reliable. My only issue with the bike is the God awful noise it makes engine noise, if that does not bother you then it's a great allrounder
 

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jackass dave said:
thanks for that funny enough i live up the road from wood motorcycles and i visited there when they first had a tenere in stock , will give them a call tommorow may even pop down if there open untill 6 thanks for that ray
::008::
 

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I just read some of the first page so if the thread has drifted off I apologize.....


FOLLOW THE MONEY!


This hobby is just like the gun mags/rags/industry. Beware of a wonderful review of a bike when accompanied with a full page color ad in the same issue from the same manufacturer. I've noted Yamaha does not run many ads in said magazines.
 

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If you get a test ride, go for a good one! I was a bit underwhelmed at first but after a few miles I suddenly 'got it'

It's the most under-rated bike on the UK market at the moment in my opinion.

I'm now on my third (1st was a demo, then a good deal on a new Worldcrosser, which had an unfortunate encounter with a myopic 85 year old turning right, resulting in my 3rd S10 which is a 14 model with all the Worldcrosser bits on it).

Great bikes!!!!

Mike
 

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I think you all miss the point. The fact is that Yamaha screwed up. Big time.
Yamaha introduced a brand new motorcycle to fight the adventure bike title held by BMW for ages. What did Yamaha came to the gun fight with? A pocket knife, or rather a diamond in the rough. Let's summarize:
1) Motorcycle presentation: who came with the idea of mono-color black or dark blue bike? How do you want to catch some attention on the dealer's floor? What do you expect the press photos will be? Just compare with the KTM color scheme with a lot of bright orange, or even BMW sober elegance with a steel color engine, chrome exhaust, etc... I had to wait to have the choice of a white Super Ten to sell the GSA and make the jump. And still this whole white gas tank bothers me.
2) Suspension: it was apparent form day one that the suspension were not on-par with the potential of the bike. Oddly, the rear shock is in my opinion quite good. But why the hell a progressive spring in the fork? I changed it for a linear spring, and $80 later the bike was transformed.
3) Probably the main cause of the press disaffection is the ECU mapping. Who, in his right mind, could neutered a 1200cc designed for experienced riders with limitation on the first 3 gears, and utterly stupid mapping globally. I went to an amateur (but a GREAT GUY) known as AVC (search in the threads). He did the re-flash for me and now I have three modes, including a full power mode. It has a lot of torque and bring a large smile on my face every time. Much more than my GSA ever did. Should Yamaha haven't screwed up so badly, the journalist reports would have been way more favorable.
4) I just installed an Akrapovic exhaust. First time in my long motorcycle life that I change the exhaust. Same noise level, but much better sound and more low rev torque. Why Yamaha didn't install such exhaust on stock? Cost? Probably would have been marginal. Impact on journalists and potential buyers would have definitely offset the extra cost.

In conclusion, stop lamenting that journalists are bribed, stupids and misleading. Stop bashing the BMW buyers. The whole responsibility lies on Yamaha's shoulders. And they should be grateful an handful of experienced guys were stubborn enough to give the wonderful diamond-in-the-rough a chance to shine. Yamaha took some corrective actions with the 2014. But they seems too little and too late. KTM features 180 hp, BMW will eventually be a wonderful and reliable machine. And the Super Ténéré will still be an heavy weight, under powered (by choice) proposition in an unappealing sad dress. To get the market shares it deserves, the Super Ténéré team needs to fire a bunch of its people and bring on board enthusiasts.

Amen.
 

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Actually, Yamaha sold every one they built. Every one. And built a following who seem to be suddenly "getting" the concept.


They may not be the most sophisticated, best sprung, and it clearly is not to your taste out of the box. But these are a product and following their research, engineering, planning, and marketing, the company has increased sales and sold every widget they made.


I don't see that as screwed up, I see that as finding a target consumer set and making a profit.
 

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FrenchFries,

You had me with your approach, albeit a bit narrowly focused, ....right up until you jumped on the weight of the Tenere.
Sorry, but there is nothing wrong with the weight of the Tenere.
You can't build the Super Tenere meaningfully lighter. Wouldn't be the bike that IS better than the competition in so many areas.
And it isn't meaningfully heavier.
But I'll agree with the silly OEM ECU programming. Cost them dearly in the "fast impressions" department.
 

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I've posted this on other forums when this question comes up:

If money's no object, you buy the GS. If money is tight, you buy the VStrom.

In the middle, there are 3 bikes: Triumph, KTM, and S10. If you are performance/ street-biased, the Triumph blows the S10's doors in. If you are performance/ dirt-biased, the KTM does.

The S10 is so perfectly balanced that it sits in a no-man's land where everything "beats" it: The BMW on looks/ prestige/ gadgetry; the VStrom on price/ entry-level value; the Triumph on street cred; the KTM on dirt cred... but to gain those advantages over the S10, the other bikes sacrifice some combination of reliability, selling price, features, build spec, and adaptability.

Most of that doesn't come thru on a test ride, tho... but I bet the S10 sells well with people coming off of other bikes in the class. How many guys (besides me) upgraded from a VStrom? Or came from an expensive experience with BMW? Or were tired of break-downs on their KTMs or Triumphs? As much as any ADV bike can be "practical," the S10 is. Practicality is not sexy, tho - and sex sells. Those other bikes are fun to date; the S10 is marriage material.
 
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