Why is the S10 not included in comparison reviews?

[Scubatech]

I'll be interested in this also because I was considering the VFR for replacement for my my 2012 ST. No cruise control or center-stand on the Honda and I hate those clam-shell, side opening panniers and MSRP is about $500 more....maybe a 2017 ST would still be a better choice.
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I looked at the Honda and I really like the V4. The price was not only more but the factory aluminum luggage was at least $500.00 more than the Yamaha. The V4 is a lot harder to do throttle body syncs on than the twin. I don't think Honda has anything over Yamaha anymore on quality, fit and reliability.

 

[limey]

Ron your still more than welcome to take mine out for a few hrs. Did you test ride the one At GP bikes?

 

[Ron Earp]

It was interesting to see the S10 was in a 3 bike comparison in my new Rider magazine that just arrived. Non ES model.

I haven't understood that either - testing a non-ES against some bikes with electronic dodads and then complaining the SuperT has none. I'm run across that a few times on blogs/Youtube.

Ride the bikes and make your own decision. I was lucky to have friends with all the suspect bikes (except the new Triumph Adventurer and the dealer helped there) so I could get some solid data on which machine I preferred. In the end it still wasn't easy because new bikes are so damn good, but, I like the SuperT for a variety of reasons covered in that other thread I linked to.

Good luck and just enjoy whatever you decide upon.

 

[RicoChet]

Ron your still more than welcome to take mine out for a few hrs. Did you test ride the one At GP bikes?

I think I am still going to have to take you up on your offer! The bike at GP was a used bike that is not certified, therefore not road worthy and they would not allow me to take it out with out putting a deposit on the bike. If the weather is good this weekend, I think I'll consider dropping by!

 

[BravoBravo]

Apparently, I like boring. When I'm looking at a route sheet and I see a 2000 miles trip ahead of me, I'll take boring over "yeah, but my bike has character" any day of the week. It's the guys with "character driven" bikes that always wreck a trip because their final drive just grenaded, or their electrical system needs an exorcist, and there's exactly one dealership in the whole state for the bike they're riding.

Funny you should say that. I purchased my Super Tenere in July 2013 immediately after returning from an aborted trip to Alaska, cut short because my Moto Guzzi Stelvio, with oodles of "character" let me down so repeatedly with electrical faults, my riding companions eventually had to carry on without me. Maybe I should have brought a priest with me... ::013::

 

[Calboy]

I don't think that any of the Japanese car or motorcycle companies need to prove themselves to anybody, European or otherwise.
And one more thing, I believe that there's an agreement between manufacturers of any goods not to interfere with each other.
I am convinced that especially the Japanese can out engineer almost anybody, cars or musical instruments included.

 

[Scubatech]

Especially when the issue of long term dependability, reliability and cost to own are primary considerations.

 

[Madhatter]

the testers at Rider magazine all picked the tenere as the bike of the test group they all wanted to ride if they had to go off road... there will be other bikes , newer lighter faster more powerful , able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.... but could you trust them.... it is a little behind in some areas, but not much.... I will keep mine....

 

[ADKsuper10]

I think there is always something "bettter" out there in most cases with most things, but the Tenere seems enough "good enough" for me that I don't know where the step up from here is, really. Especially with the type of riding I do.

I will admit I like the "T" mode on the S10 under most conditions. It's almost like having two bikes now, because when I feel froggy I can put it in "S" mode and get the power quicker. Then go back to "T" mode for commuting and everyday stuff. "T" mode is smooooooooth!

Brand prestige is not important to me. Quality is. So if the brand also means quality then I am good with it. I'm a noob to this bike but I think Yamaha got it right with this one.

I am looking at this as a bike I want I want to personalize and equip slowly over the long term (and not worry about racking up miles), and in the not so far future take on leisurely trips when I am retired....ahhh to dream .... ::022::

 

[Jeff Milleman]

I saw 2 guys from Alaska ride in to Ft Lauderdale on S10,s ,read a lot about the s10 on this site and got a 15 Es , never test drove one . I never looked back. I love it , kinda reminds me of my old DT 360 ( a bit heaver). Had a lot of Yamaha's so I know they are kinda bullet proof if you take care of it !

 

[Rasher]

In isolation the Super Tenere is a brilliant bike, owners ride it in isolation so do not suffer the reviewer issue of hopping onto another motorcycle that is lighter and more powerful (and more expensive to buy, run and maintain and probably also less reliable)

I now have one of these far superior KTM models that is far lighter and a lot more powerful, but whereas after four years and 23,000 miles I had no real reason to sell my S10 and would have been happy riding it for another 4 years / 20,000+ miles I am almost certainly going to be getting rid of the KTM in under 4 years and 20,000 miles before it inevitably turns into a money pit.

If you are happy with the S10 performance specifications then there is nothing else to worry about, especially as you already like the look of the bike and the brand.

Without any hesitation I would say it is one of (maybe the best) bikes I have ever owned all things considered (price / reliability / running costs / good times)

 

[rider33]

magazine and Internet chatter is driven by lastest and greatest. Like the ST1300, the S10 is a bit long in the tooth for that being basically an updated 5 year old design, thus it does not tend to be included in testing. In the Rider test just out, it did pretty well considering the other bikes where a triple (Explorer) and a four (VFR1200X). In reality tho the only test that really matters is your ownership experience and that is where the S10 really shines. Yes, it can do just about anything but it does so reliably and asks very little of you (note 24,000k valve inspections for the S10 vs 16 for the Honda and 10 for the Triumph in the Rider test for instance). Some people buy bikes to ride, some folks like to collect bragging rights. The S10 is not going to impress supermodels at the Rock House but it will take you there and just about anywhere else really with never a worry. Like the ST1300, it's just very, very good at what it's suppose to do, what it lacks in showmanship it makes up for in competence. A few thousand miles from nowhere, that's what really matters.

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

OCT 2016 Rider Mag
compares the S10 to VFR1200X to Triumph Tiger Explorer

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

Photo

 

[Ron Earp]

Take some more article photos.

 

[groundhog]

magazine and Internet chatter is driven by lastest and greatest. Like the ST1300, the S10 is a bit long in the tooth for that being basically an updated 5 year old design, thus it does not tend to be included in testing. In the Rider test just out, it did pretty well considering the other bikes where a triple (Explorer) and a four (VFR1200X). In reality tho the only test that really matters is your ownership experience and that is where the S10 really shines. Yes, it can do just about anything but it does so reliably and asks very little of you (note 24,000k valve inspections for the S10 vs 16 for the Honda and 10 for the Triumph in the Rider test for instance). Some people buy bikes to ride, some folks like to collect bragging rights. The S10 is not going to impress supermodels at the Rock House but it will take you there and just about anywhere else really with never a worry. Like the ST1300, it's just very, very good at what it's suppose to do, what it lacks in showmanship it makes up for in competence. A few thousand miles from nowhere, that's what really matters.

Well said. That sums it up perfectly ::008::

 

[Nissbird]

It is interesting that the big three almost always catch the headlines

BWM, KTM and Honda, translates into many dollars for the mags that review them. The ride reviews rarly lasts for more that a few days and for the most part only a few hours.

Very few test riders worry about the condition of the review bikes, after all it is not theirs. Conditions, such as a blown transmission or oil in the air box are not problems they will take care of. The testers are not going to check the oil, air pressure in the tires, or any other conditions that owners must check before riding out. Many of the testers will cancel test rides if the weather is not perfect, that is unless they are testing the lastest whizz-bang mega dollar foul weather gear, which if the reviews are good they may be the new owner of that suit. In many cases the foul weather test is between Starbucks, if it is not very far.

In my opinion we are the true testers. comments made on forums such as this carry some real weight. We are the ones that find the oil leak, the loose spoke or the bad electrical connector and fix the problem. The manufacturers would do themself a favor by reviewing this and other forums to get the lastest information.

We are the ones who have to put up with the bad dealer/techs and report to the forum. We have to put up with service people that point to the ever popular "Bad Gas" problem, Or the service tech that says they all sound like that. We have known dealers that gloss over the fact that the oil ring was put in upside,but give the owner hell if he or she misses an oil change by a few miles.

My Tenere only puts out 112 HP at the crank, how many of us can handle a KTM's 150 HP? The fact is it is a brgging right. If the bike has the power band where I want it and can run all day what more can I ask?

The Tenere is a fine motorcycle along with most, if not the companies would drop a money loser, quick.

I read the road test and take the information with a large lump os salt.

Ride what you want, that fits you. If it has the power and options that you want, jump.

If the bike/service is good say so, if not say so.

Sorry for the rant.

All statements are my opinions, your feelings may vary, if so say so.

Good Luck

Silvergoose for President!

 

[Dogdaze]

Silvergoose for President!

Only if he knows 'what??' Aleppo is................... ::017::

 

[Harry Dresden PI]

Take some more article photos.

 

[ADKsuper10]

Well said. That sums it up perfectly ::008::

Amen!