Too Cold for the Tenere?

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I've noticed since the temperature dropped below freezing my Tenere never really comes up to temp.

On the highway the bike shows ~155F. On the backroads, maybe 165F.

This seems like a pretty low coolant temp, I'm wondering how my oil temp is doing.

Over-concerned? ::021::?

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Even in Coastal Texas make-believe winter temps, around 169F has been my normal cruising temp.
Been that way for 2 years.

I haven't ever really considered if that's a problem.

The REAL problem is today, WINTER is real here. In the 30's and wet\windy. Sucks.
But I'm still gonna ride. (Commute)
I have a reputation to maintain. :)
 

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snakebitten said:
Even in Coastal Texas make-believe winter temps, around 169F has been my normal cruising temp.
Been that way for 2 years.

I haven't ever really considered if that's a problem.

The REAL problem is today, WINTER is real here. In the 30's and wet\windy. Sucks.
But I'm still gonna ride. (Commute)
I have a reputation to maintain. :)
I rode home from Stoltec on Saturday night in the snow. It was so cold the bike temp never cleared 140F.



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If you are running those low temps I am guessing your fuel mileage is lower. I live in a warmer climate but I have ridden in the higher 30's and my engine temps did not get below 165F.

A recent post from a Tenere rider said he blocked the air inlet to the radiator. I am going to experiment with restricting the the inlets to see if the cold weather fuel mileage improves.
 

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tomatocity said:
If you are running those low temps I am guessing your fuel mileage is lower. I live in a warmer climate but I have ridden in the higher 30's and my engine temps did not get below 165F.

A recent post from a Tenere rider said he blocked the air inlet to the radiator. I am going to experiment with restricting the the inlets to see if the cold weather fuel mileage improves.
Fuel mileage? What's that?

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Is cooler air not denser and better for fuel mileage? Cooler engine, to a point, more efficient also? I would not restrict/block anything!
 

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X5 said:
Is cooler air not denser and better for fuel mileage? Cooler engine, to a point, more efficient also? I would not restrict/block anything!
I would not restrict or block anything, either, but I am not sure cold air makes for better fuel mileage. I know that my truck gets better mileage in the summer than it does in the winter.

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I've taken to stuffing a t shirt in the intake or rad area when its in the low 30s as the bike doesn't want to warm up on my 10 mile ride to work. If I don't it'll warm to the 150-160 range in the 2 miles at 35 mph and then drop like a rock to 140 at 70mph. I have noticed that the bike does eventually get warm, just not on my way to work. The shirt helps a good bit. Still doesn't get hot at 70mph, but way closer to normal.
 

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Anything over 150 is fine. Depending on weather my usual temp here is 150 to 190 but mostly averages 175. It climbs pretty quick in traffic though. Slow going at 75 degrees, it will climb over 200 easy. 221 the fan comes on and drops to 210 before it cuts out again. ::017::
 

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I've run mine in the single digits. I just let it warm a few minutes first.


Works fine.
 

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Interesting. I've been experiencing similar the last few days. Didn't really worry about it until the oil light came on...twice. :-[

I always let it warm up before rolling out. The last couple of times it happened I left out when temp was ~125°F. No hard accels, in the cold, until temps rise. Around 30mph or so, the light came on. Pulled over quickly. Engine off. Restart. Light goes away. Let the temp rise some more, and head out. No more light.

Thought the first time was a fluke. Second time, guess not. Let it warm a little more, no problems, even with heavy revs. Cruising on the highway the temp stays around 160°F, best I remember. I'll watch it closer tomorrow. Warmer weather it consistently hovers around 173°F. For comparison its been in the mid 20s the last few nights on the way home, and I'm running Rotella 5w-40 T6 synthetic.
 

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Since we have different opinions and results we might want to say whether we have a stock ECU or a flashed ECU.

My ECU is stock.

My Tenere runs rich as it is warming up. 167F is its normal riding temp and the normal MPG is 41-43. Sometimes during the cold months it never reaches 167F and continues to run rich to the tune of roughly 35 MPG.
 

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oKLRider said:
Interesting. I've been experiencing similar the last few days. Didn't really worry about it until the oil light came on...twice. :-[

I always let it warm up before rolling out. The last couple of times it happened I left out when temp was ~125°F. No hard accels, in the cold, until temps rise. Around 30mph or so, the light came on. Pulled over quickly. Engine off. Restart. Light goes away. Let the temp rise some more, and head out. No more light.

Thought the first time was a fluke. Second time, guess not. Let it warm a little more, no problems, even with heavy revs. Cruising on the highway the temp stays around 160°F, best I remember. I'll watch it closer tomorrow. Warmer weather it consistently hovers around 173°F. For comparison its been in the mid 20s the last few nights on the way home, and I'm running Rotella 5w-40 T6 synthetic.

OIL THREAD!!!
:D


Remember that the oil is essentially has to move to/from a separate reservoir, so it is not always where the engine is directly making heat.


Until the oil is really warm it will continue to try to squeeze through passages with the thickness/viscosity it has at low temperatures. I book marked a page that has a great discussion about this and it is at:
http://www.kewengineering.co.uk/Auto_oils/oil_viscosity_explained.htm


The idea of 5/40 is that the oil will perform like a 5W oil at freezing (0C) and no thinner than a 40W oil at 100C.

See the line that says "too thin?" There should be another flat line just above where the dashed line crosses SAE 5, and that second flat line would be labeled "too thick." Imagine for example if my new horizontal "too thick" line were at 200 cSt. Because the multi weight really isn't a nice flat line, when colder than freezing the oil performance can still cross the "too thick" line and not be able to go through pipes and passages. The engine can starve for lubrication.


And remember that as pretty as the chart above is, the change in viscosity really looks like this over a range of temperatures:

So a little colder or warmer is disproportionate to a BIG change in how thick the oil is when it is even approaching freezing and not really that cold!


Because the Tenere oil light really is just letting you know the oil tank is low, it is implying that the oil is elsewhere. Engine designers know that hot oil is thinner and will make return passages narrower. So an engine with a cold thicker oil can have the oil level increase drastically in the crankcase, rather than circulate it back to the tank. At idle and the lower revs of starting out, we shouldn't be doing engine damage, but I wouldn't want to rev it to the red line. So don't worry unless you are racing streetlights straight out of the garage when it's that cold.


Which is why a good long warmup is pretty important in any motor with a remote sump when the temps drop below freezing.
 

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oKLRider said:
Interesting. I've been experiencing similar the last few days. Didn't really worry about it until the oil light came on...twice. :-[

I always let it warm up before rolling out. The last couple of times it happened I left out when temp was ~125°F. No hard accels, in the cold, until temps rise. Around 30mph or so, the light came on. Pulled over quickly. Engine off. Restart. Light goes away. Let the temp rise some more, and head out. No more light.

Thought the first time was a fluke. Second time, guess not. Let it warm a little more, no problems, even with heavy revs. Cruising on the highway the temp stays around 160°F, best I remember. I'll watch it closer tomorrow. Warmer weather it consistently hovers around 173°F. For comparison its been in the mid 20s the last few nights on the way home, and I'm running Rotella 5w-40 T6 synthetic.
Remember that the oil light on the Tenere is NOT an oil pressure alarm.
It is an oil level alert.

I noticed you said "Pulled over quickly. Engine off."
That describes how we have all been programmed to behave if oil pressure drops. :)

Oil light on the Tenere simply means you should look for a place that sells a quart and add some if it appears you are low.
Of course even checking the oil level is a debate to have too. Dry sump madness. Lol
 

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X5 said:
Is cooler air not denser and better for fuel mileage? Cooler engine, to a point, more efficient also? I would not restrict/block anything!
The denser air causes the bike to run more lean, which can improve mileage to an extent, but the bike already runs plenty lean from the factory.
 

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This is fuel injected, so air density will never make it run lean, fuel mapping would do that. And, here is where fuel economy changes: You are running a chemical reactor down the road. The ultra cool air causes an incomplete (to a larger degree than normal) exothermic reaction to occur. seeing as you O2 sensor measures oxygen, not fuel, it reads that you have an oxygen level that is on the "lean" side. This is counteracted by an increase in fuel injected into the engine to get rid of the "lean" condition. Remember, you also have temperature enrichments for both air temperature (colder gets more) and coolant temperature (colder gets more) to counteract for air density and for the natural degree of decline of reactivity of the two chemicals (gasoline and air) for this reaction. Yea, science!
 

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I've noticed mine runs at 165 as well, when its cold out. Must be where they set the thermostat. I'm sure they picked that temp for a reason no?

Indeed. ::021::
 

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