My spare pump has the Felco motor in it. It was easy to change. Mine has not been tested yet.
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Hey guy, do you remember the thread that you posted in, and there was a person that is using the motor change and has miles on it?simmons1 said:
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PS. I've searched for it and cannot find it.. ::025::
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After doing my homework, the replacement pump motor is more work and risk than I'm willing to tackle. ADV had a good series of photos of taking the assembly apart. I know me, and I suspect I'd break something getting it to the point where I could install the replacement pump. RoyAyers.com has the OEM pump on sale right now and they have free shipping. Ordered one tonight.
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New Yamaha fuel pump installed. It did seem to improve the flat spot that I thought I would need to tweak with the computer. Hopefully it will eliminate the starting issue.
Overall this is not the bike I bought. The gearing change (13/47), the computer, and tires that grip have changed it from an anemic, uninspired performer into exactly what I thought it could be. The bike will wheelie nicely in first and second gear. It's not a YZ250, but that's not what I wanted. It's a long term keeper. ::012::
Overall this is not the bike I bought. The gearing change (13/47), the computer, and tires that grip have changed it from an anemic, uninspired performer into exactly what I thought it could be. The bike will wheelie nicely in first and second gear. It's not a YZ250, but that's not what I wanted. It's a long term keeper. ::012::
Yes, I know this is a Super Ten forum. I am posting here at this specific thread cause the WR250 forum is pretty lame and a search yielded no useful info. DirtDad and I met up on the WRR's last weekend at Seneca Rocks for some riding and I have now fully confirmed that there is no comfortable way for me to stand up on the WR without getting some bar risers. So I am looking for some feedback from you SuperTen riders who have had WRR's for awhile and have a vastly superior wealth of knowledge.
1) How how can one raise the bars before the control cables become the limiting factor?
2) if you have done this mod to your WRR - what model/brand risers did you choose and why? And how have they worked out?
Thanks - trikepilot
1) How how can one raise the bars before the control cables become the limiting factor?
2) if you have done this mod to your WRR - what model/brand risers did you choose and why? And how have they worked out?
Thanks - trikepilot
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Sure, it's a S10 board, but we're in the Other Bike section, so I can't imagine anyone taking issue with the question.
Like trikepilot mentioned we had a great time getting to know the WRRs in WV over the weekend. Nether one of us shot a lot of pictures, but I did get a some pretty good video that I am still reviewing. I'll put together a video over the next few days and I think we did enough to post a report out here in Other Bikes. Here's a few still shots from the video.
See trikepilot, I told you I fell in this hole.
Like trikepilot mentioned we had a great time getting to know the WRRs in WV over the weekend. Nether one of us shot a lot of pictures, but I did get a some pretty good video that I am still reviewing. I'll put together a video over the next few days and I think we did enough to post a report out here in Other Bikes. Here's a few still shots from the video.
See trikepilot, I told you I fell in this hole.
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Some info on the Rox 2" risers here:trikepilot said:
http://wr250rforum.forumotion.com/t635-rox-riser-questions?highlight=bar+riser
http://wr250rforum.forumotion.com/t12p20-handlebars-risers
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You don't need bar risers if you keep the front wheel up in the air.
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I'm trying to learn how to ride the GasGas trials bike I picked up a couple of weeks ago. What a blast!
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I've tried that. Still bar risers would help.Checkswrecks said:You don't need bar risers if you keep the front wheel up in the air.
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Thanks for the picture trikepilot.
Never tried a trials bike. Seems like it might be fun. So different from anything I've done. But you should be able to get a lot out of it in just a small area.Checkswrecks said:
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A few updates on the WRR.
With the mods I made it's still entertaining me. Yes, it's still underpowered, but that was actually helpful in some of the technical terrain that trikepilot put me in this past weekend. There was no need to "manage" the power when things were tight, yet there was still enough power to get out of any spot when necessary. The little motor was ideal for technical stuff.
When trikepilot and I switched bikes I instantly remembered the stock setup I had left behind. It really pointed out how the mods changed the entire character of the bike. It also probably contributes to the gas mileage difference we saw. We both filled up on Sunday morning, but I was on reserve for 17 miles and his never got to reserved by the end of the ride day. I'm sure a good part of that difference is in riding style. I tend to ride at pretty high RPM to stay where I like to be in the power band. I suspect trikepilot rides more like a rational human being.
So far I am really impressed with the Dunlop 606 tires. They have done a significant number of gentle pavement miles which are unavoidable. They also get spun a lot in the dirt. Safe to say they are spitting gravel the majority of time. Even with that treatment they are looking fantastic. At the moment I can't imagine using any other tire on this bike.
I've heard a lot of negatives about the stock seat. As a former KTM rider, I find this stock seat to be quite good. The more I ride with it, the better it gets. Did all day Saturday and another 4 hours on Sunday. No problem at all. I have no temptation to replace the stock seat.
Sure, it would be nice to have more power, but with the current setup this bike has a nice balance of technical maneuverability and open space quickness.
Speaking of balance, I was pretty surprised when I put a front fender bag on it to hold a spare tube. I experimented with different items in the bag and got it down to 1lb 10oz. It completely screwed up the maneuverability of the bike and sucked all the fun out of riding it for me.
Top speed I saw on the road with the lower gearing was 69 MPH (true). I probably could have squeezed out a little more, but not much more.
With the mods I made it's still entertaining me. Yes, it's still underpowered, but that was actually helpful in some of the technical terrain that trikepilot put me in this past weekend. There was no need to "manage" the power when things were tight, yet there was still enough power to get out of any spot when necessary. The little motor was ideal for technical stuff.
When trikepilot and I switched bikes I instantly remembered the stock setup I had left behind. It really pointed out how the mods changed the entire character of the bike. It also probably contributes to the gas mileage difference we saw. We both filled up on Sunday morning, but I was on reserve for 17 miles and his never got to reserved by the end of the ride day. I'm sure a good part of that difference is in riding style. I tend to ride at pretty high RPM to stay where I like to be in the power band. I suspect trikepilot rides more like a rational human being.
So far I am really impressed with the Dunlop 606 tires. They have done a significant number of gentle pavement miles which are unavoidable. They also get spun a lot in the dirt. Safe to say they are spitting gravel the majority of time. Even with that treatment they are looking fantastic. At the moment I can't imagine using any other tire on this bike.
I've heard a lot of negatives about the stock seat. As a former KTM rider, I find this stock seat to be quite good. The more I ride with it, the better it gets. Did all day Saturday and another 4 hours on Sunday. No problem at all. I have no temptation to replace the stock seat.
Sure, it would be nice to have more power, but with the current setup this bike has a nice balance of technical maneuverability and open space quickness.
Speaking of balance, I was pretty surprised when I put a front fender bag on it to hold a spare tube. I experimented with different items in the bag and got it down to 1lb 10oz. It completely screwed up the maneuverability of the bike and sucked all the fun out of riding it for me.
Top speed I saw on the road with the lower gearing was 69 MPH (true). I probably could have squeezed out a little more, but not much more.
Don't let DirtDad bamboozle you guys. He put me through a soft gravel riding clinic last weekend. If my recollection is right, my WRR found the ground several times and DD's staying upright on the rubber the entire trip. I learned alot and got a good bit more comfortable with the little bike getting all squirmy underneath me on the loose gravel. But I have a ways to go to keep up with DirtDad.
I was glad to switch bikes for a few miles as it let me see what the 13/47 sprocket combo and the FMF felt like. As for DD's assessment of his stock seat... all I can say is that the KTM seat he referred to must have been a 2x4 turned on end.
Overall this trip he and I took to Seneca was great. There was a bit of everything to ride. I think it might be an ideal locale to hold a ST rendezvous of sorts at some time in the future. And it is certainly the kinda place that if you are headed there for several days of riding and have the carrying capacity, it is the perfect place to trailer the SuperTen AND a bike like the WRR.
I was glad to switch bikes for a few miles as it let me see what the 13/47 sprocket combo and the FMF felt like. As for DD's assessment of his stock seat... all I can say is that the KTM seat he referred to must have been a 2x4 turned on end.
Overall this trip he and I took to Seneca was great. There was a bit of everything to ride. I think it might be an ideal locale to hold a ST rendezvous of sorts at some time in the future. And it is certainly the kinda place that if you are headed there for several days of riding and have the carrying capacity, it is the perfect place to trailer the SuperTen AND a bike like the WRR.
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I may have had some advantage in the gravel, but you taught me the value of a mountain biking background in the technical stuff. You were definitely quicker than me in all phases of the technical riding. It's an environment that I usually avoid, and one you would seek out on a bicycle with little to no suspension. It was interesting to see how well that experience translated from the bicycle to the WR for you.trikepilot said:
I'm pretty sure the KTM seat is made of steel covered in soft plastic.
Hope you don't mind me posting your picture of me testing the tires.
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Not much time to ride after being away most of the weekend. But did get 25 miles in this afternoon on the WR. Colors are looking good, and the WR continues to grow on me.
There are still times when I'm riding up a hill and would like to lift the front end as I go, this bike won't do it without some assistance from a bump in the road. Still I can get it to come up once I get the assistance, so it's not too much of an issue.
Changing the gearing and the computer were a huge step forward. Also a huge step back in the gas mileage department. Got 44 MPG out riding with Trikepilot (finally filled it up today from that ride). It's not exactly as bad as it sounds. I put a 16.4% decrease in the speedo fix device, so I'm sure my mileage is now off by that amount, so mileage may be a true 51 MPG. Not great, but I do tend to ride at a pretty high RPM to stay where I like in the powerband, so any bad mileage is my fault.
There are still times when I'm riding up a hill and would like to lift the front end as I go, this bike won't do it without some assistance from a bump in the road. Still I can get it to come up once I get the assistance, so it's not too much of an issue.
Changing the gearing and the computer were a huge step forward. Also a huge step back in the gas mileage department. Got 44 MPG out riding with Trikepilot (finally filled it up today from that ride). It's not exactly as bad as it sounds. I put a 16.4% decrease in the speedo fix device, so I'm sure my mileage is now off by that amount, so mileage may be a true 51 MPG. Not great, but I do tend to ride at a pretty high RPM to stay where I like in the powerband, so any bad mileage is my fault.
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Trikepilot should weigh in here since he calls himself a noob in the dirt. My opinion, as long as you don't find the Tenere too tall (the WR is taller), the engine is very manageable in stock setup. I think if the bike is ergonomically comfortable to you, then it's an excellent bike for a dirt noob to roam wherever the back country may take you.Boostedxt said:
Most definitely - YES!
I am indeed a noob. Most of these guys here at the forum seem to have decades of riding all kinds of bikes under their belt. I impulse bought a KLR in 2007 and rode it for 15k till last Dec when I bought a SuperTen. The SuperTen did everything the KLR could do and often times did it better. However, it was still too big for my skills to progress in the offroad environment. I sold the KLR and bought a WRR based much on the advice of many here at this forum that praise it as the perfect companion bike to the SuperTen. My goal was to hone my offroad skills on the little WRR and then transfer those skills over to the SuperTen.
I have had the WRR for a few months now and done a good bit of riding on a variety of terrain. I even attended the DirtDad offroad riding seminar at Seneca Rocks back in the early fall. Here are my impressions:
1) The bike is tall - taller than the SuperTen - but that does not affect me with my long inseam. Sit on one to see what works for you.
2) The suspension is great as stock. It's a light and nimble bike with a good suspension that let me treat it like large mountain bike in technical terrain. Tons of fun.
3) It is a tad under powered till you gear down and stay in the high-rpm power band. This means that it is forgiving to someone figuring out offroad riding. Dirtdad has his geared much taller and it will pop wheelies and really pull down low. However, his mpg was dramatically less than my stock bike. I really like the EFI.
4) WRR's are relatively easy to find online well-farkled for a good price.
5) They are super easy to work on with a pile of aftermarket parts available.
6) It is a durable bike. I have dumped it more times than I care to think of without guards and it is no issue. A complete set of new plastics is cheap.
7) It is a bike that always puts a grin on my face.
I am indeed a noob. Most of these guys here at the forum seem to have decades of riding all kinds of bikes under their belt. I impulse bought a KLR in 2007 and rode it for 15k till last Dec when I bought a SuperTen. The SuperTen did everything the KLR could do and often times did it better. However, it was still too big for my skills to progress in the offroad environment. I sold the KLR and bought a WRR based much on the advice of many here at this forum that praise it as the perfect companion bike to the SuperTen. My goal was to hone my offroad skills on the little WRR and then transfer those skills over to the SuperTen.
I have had the WRR for a few months now and done a good bit of riding on a variety of terrain. I even attended the DirtDad offroad riding seminar at Seneca Rocks back in the early fall. Here are my impressions:
1) The bike is tall - taller than the SuperTen - but that does not affect me with my long inseam. Sit on one to see what works for you.
2) The suspension is great as stock. It's a light and nimble bike with a good suspension that let me treat it like large mountain bike in technical terrain. Tons of fun.
3) It is a tad under powered till you gear down and stay in the high-rpm power band. This means that it is forgiving to someone figuring out offroad riding. Dirtdad has his geared much taller and it will pop wheelies and really pull down low. However, his mpg was dramatically less than my stock bike. I really like the EFI.
4) WRR's are relatively easy to find online well-farkled for a good price.
5) They are super easy to work on with a pile of aftermarket parts available.
6) It is a durable bike. I have dumped it more times than I care to think of without guards and it is no issue. A complete set of new plastics is cheap.
7) It is a bike that always puts a grin on my face.
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You can find them around here for 3500-4500 in nice shape, low miles, and if modified, not the mods you want to remove. Keep looking at craigs list.avc8130 said:
I got mine in 2009 with 160 miles on it for 4200 bucks, roughly $100.00 off for each mile from new retail price. very durable, very good and well thought out motorcycle. the engine is so tough that Graves Performance group is using this engine for their Moto-3 bike, not the other off road model will the spotty durability.
I agree that growing up on dirt-bikes probably has a huge impact on why the S10 is just a HUGE dirt-bike to me.
Really, that's what it is. And while it has its obvious compromises in ground clearance and weight, I find it incredibly poised for dirt-work, considering.
(I firmly believe off-road tires play a big part off-road, whether its a WRR or an S10)
But regardless of the S10 off-road prowess, I feel its biggest flaw is simply the potential damage it can sustain if it falls wrong. The dirt-bikes of the WRR type are far more crash worthy.
As a result, I do back off a bit in attack-mode on the Big Pig vs say, the DRZ. Less to protect me. More to protect the Beast.
Really, that's what it is. And while it has its obvious compromises in ground clearance and weight, I find it incredibly poised for dirt-work, considering.
(I firmly believe off-road tires play a big part off-road, whether its a WRR or an S10)
But regardless of the S10 off-road prowess, I feel its biggest flaw is simply the potential damage it can sustain if it falls wrong. The dirt-bikes of the WRR type are far more crash worthy.
As a result, I do back off a bit in attack-mode on the Big Pig vs say, the DRZ. Less to protect me. More to protect the Beast.
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Edzachary ::008::snakebitten said:I agree that growing up on dirt-bikes probably has a huge impact on why the S10 is just a HUGE dirt-bike to me.
Really, that's what it is. And while it has its obvious compromises in ground clearance and weight, I find it incredibly poised for dirt-work, considering.
(I firmly believe off-road tires play a big part off-road, whether its a WRR or an S10)
But regardless of the S10 off-road prowess, I feel its biggest flaw is simply the potential damage it can sustain if it falls wrong. The dirt-bikes of the WRR type are far more crash worthy.
As a result, I do back off a bit in attack-mode on the Big Pig vs say, the DRZ. Less to protect me. More to protect the Beast.
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Wow, a $16,000 savings. You done good.Yamaguy55 said:
Hey, everybody loves a smart arse, don't they? ;D