Shinko 804/805's

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Just wanted to post up a few pics and give a quick ride report on these tires. For the price, performance and durability the Shinkos are tough to beat. Very good road manners and better than expected wet surface traction. This combo also seemed smoother than the previous knobblies (BigBlock, TKC 80, Pirelli Scorpion) but would still howl at higher speeds. Offroad, they give up some lateral stability to the Kenda/TKC but are worlds better than a 80/20 tire. My offroad consists of sandy, dirt roads with some gravel mixed in and on occasion rocks and hardpack of western NC/eastern TN. The Shinkos have been solid. The sidewall is very flexible so airing down low and hitting large, hard objects may result in bent rims and holes in your tires. YMMV.

I made it to 5000mi with this rear (2mm left on center row) and the front has 2000 with hardly any wear to the backside of the center row. The Pirelli and BigBlock were sawtoothed at 2000mi and dun at 3000. With easy throttle, I see the 805 going past 6000 miles easily.
 

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Here's my rear 805 at 5,300 miles. I didn't measure it but appears about the same as yours. It had some more pavement or dirt/gravel road use left but was toast for off road. I removed it today because it had a good little cut on the sidewall. That impact also caused a rim ding while riding rocky trails last weekend. Tire was at 29 psi 6 days after the ride when I noticed damage so that or 30 psi when it happened. Those sidewalls are real soft, tires spoon on super easy also but bead holds very tight. I really like the tire except for that. Next tire will probably be something stiffer and longer mileage i.e. Mitas E07 Dakar.



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Sorry 'bout the rim. It should buff right out.

Your wear looks very similar to mine. Most of my miles were paved, prolly less than 1000 offroad. Never needed to air down, even in the sand just twist it on a little more. When the tire has wore down to this point, it still took a lot of throttle to engage TC1 because of the aggressive side knobs driving.
 

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BaldKnob said:
Sorry 'bout the rim. It should buff right out.

Your wear looks very similar to mine. Most of my miles were paved, prolly less than 1000 offroad. Never needed to air down, even in the sand just twist it on a little more. When the tire has wore down to this point, it still took a lot of throttle to engage TC1 because of the aggressive side knobs driving.
How many miles are on yours?
 

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I can affirm the lack of sideways traction on the rear. That is part of the reason I've been off the bike for the last 6 weeks. The other is the broken left ankle that happened when the bike slammed into the ground with my ankle cushioning the blow:( Look at the track in the mud.The front started with 10/32 & the rear with 13/32. Forward traction is amazing. Now with about 1700 miles on them the front is at 9/32 & the rear is 9 to 10/32. New in the pictures. Those measurements are with the gauge resting on the front & rear of the knobs in the middle of the tire. I have been running them at 33 psi front & rear. They have been on lots of gravel, snow, mud & pavement. They do vibrate going down the road because of the tread pattern. The noise doesn't really bother me. I have a 6 or 7 day trip coming up in the beginning of August so I might have to replace the rear before then. The front should last the summer.
 

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Lots of disturbed earth in the foreground, did you pick the bike back up with a busted ankle? :eek:
 

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With the help of my buddy we got it up. We were about 4-5 miles from the paved road, thru a 2 ft deep river crossing (frozen the first time thru), rocky roads etc... Then about 70 miles to home. I'm glad I had my side cases on. The front end was in one rut & the back end was in the other, with most of the weight & my ankle on the hump in the middle. Bruised my ribs pretty bad too & couldn't take a deep breath. No damage to the bike, except for the windshield. I am getting really antsy to get back on & riding. 1 week to go with the safety boot on. Then we will see if see if these tires make it to the 4,000 mile mark.
 

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14kmtnman said:
With the help of my buddy we got it up. We were about 4-5 miles from the paved road, thru a 2 ft deep river crossing (frozen the first time thru), rocky roads etc... Then about 70 miles to home. I'm glad I had my side cases on. The front end was in one rut & the back end was in the other, with most of the weight & my ankle on the hump in the middle. Bruised my ribs pretty bad too & couldn't take a deep breath. No damage to the bike, except for the windshield. I am getting really antsy to get back on & riding. 1 week to go with the safety boot on. Then we will see if see if these tires make it to the 4,000 mile mark.
Glad your ankle is well on the mend and nothing mechanical damaged on your machine. The pic posted looks like a bit of a grade... combined with mud (and speed), you have a recipe for getting crossed up. 600lb dirtbikes loose traction very easily in these situations. Tires can only do so much. With adult use, you should get 4000mi with no problems.

Here is my front at 3000 miles. Now paired with the 705 rear, it worked very well for a trip to Muddy Creek National in Tennessee last weekend.
 

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tomatocity said:
How many miles are on yours?
5000. This is the longest lasting knob-type tire I've used. I kept the Kendas on to 4000 but they were spent well before that.
 

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I have the 804/805's and was wondering if anyone that has run them had also run the k60's and tkc 80's. I went to East Tennessee Friday and Saturday and rode all twisty roads from Bowling Green Ky to 421 aka The Snake . I lost rear traction a couple of time and I don't remember this with the other two tires mention. 3000 miles on the rear looks to be 2/3 done.
 

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Tony99 said:
I have the 804/805's and was wondering if anyone that has run them had also run the k60's and tkc 80's. I went to East Tennessee Friday and Saturday and rode all twisty roads from Bowling Green Ky to 421 aka The Snake . I lost rear traction a couple of time and I don't remember this with the other two tires mention. 3000 miles on the rear looks to be 2/3 done.
Hey Tony, lot of variables to consider so I'm not even going to speculate if the tire is at fault but I've used the K60 and TKC in the past with mixed emotions about both. Mostly, expense, durability and wet road traction. The K60's have the longest life but were poor in wet weather. The TKC's handled best offroad but were spent by 3000 miles.

We rode together at Crawford's in 2013 and our guide was on K60s just rippin' up the gravel and railing the twisties (2 up) so I know the Heidenaus are capable tires but they ride rough, have a twitchy feel at high speeds and are the worst wet road tire I have ever used. Had they been better in the wet, I would reconsider using them again. My 805 went easily to 5,000 miles with 2mm remaining. Now, my 804 is at 5,000 miles and although it is sawtoothed down the middle and howlin' like a banshee, it still rides just fine and could probably make another thousand. There is no way the TKCs would be as durable. I don't care if Miss Daisy was twisting the throttle, those tires are just a different compound than the Shinkos. The Shinko even feels softer to the touch (sidewall is much softer) but lasted twice as long at half the price. I wish they would make it to Colorado and back but no such knobbly exists. Good luck with yours.
 

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BaldKnob said:
I wish they would make it to Colorado and back but no such knobbly exists. Good luck with yours.
I'm riding out to CO from KY on state highways (no Interstate) late next month on a fresh set. I'll keep you posted.
 

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The 805 doesn't like tar snakes. If you breezed over them with your old tires, watch out for them now. Just finished 3300 if high speed everything pavement, plus maybe a thousand before we left. Nice tires! Still measurable rear tread, I'll have to get some numbers.
 

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Don in Lodi said:
The 805 doesn't like tar snakes. If you breezed over them with your old tires, watch out for them now. Just finished 3300 if high speed everything pavement, plus maybe a thousand before we left. Nice tires! Still measurable rear tread, I'll have to get some numbers.
Thanks Don, I have forgot to mention that. The front has very good feedback on dry pavement but you're right about the tar snakes.
 

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Just had a set put on yesterday.
After having 705's on for the last 4.5k I need to rethink my way of riding again.
Had a K60 before the 705 liked the K60 at first but I lost interest after about 4k miles.
The one thing I noticed about the 805 is they quickly fall into any turn, it was like "Whoa Nelly"!
Rushing it up an incline turn going into Los Alamos ( one of the worst pitched twisties I have ever encountered) at around 65 to 70 revealed it's limit on my bike, I pushed it to see what point does the tire start to roll away from under you.
In the rain my approach now would be a bit different than with the 705 with the K60 it was always a slow straight into the corner as I always felt it was giving away on me.
Haven't took it on the dirt yet and to be fare I should give it another 100 to 200 miles before passing judgment on the slab feel.

I have never had issues with Shinko tires from the old Tiger 1050 Kawasaki ZRX 1200 009 Ravens (must have put over five sets on that Tiger) to 705's I have never had a flat or slipped off the pavement or dirt.
Shinko's are fussy with painted sections on roads (rain or dry) I have always noticed but grip like glue in rain on pavement. Sort of a weird observation over the years.
For the price I can never complain. ::026::
Let us see how they hold up on my bike.
 

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This front 804 is freaking loud much louder than the 705.
Took it out trailing and I am happy for what it does, on the highway so far after scrub not bad at all just noisy as all hell.
Taking it to Ouray fully loaded today will give update if I get back in one piece! >:D
 
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