Running Rough IN Wisconsin

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Take a look at this thread...I cycled the TPS numerous times and it cleared up my throttle jumpiness/roughness after I completed the major 26,000 mile service.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=12376.msg217151#msg217151

BUT, I just rode back 600 miles from riding the Dragon (MEH) and half the way my bike ran rough and vibrated more than normal (it has 32,500 miles). About 150 miles out, I cycled the sidestand/safety switch numerous times because I thought it was electrical in nature and it smoothed out for the rest of the trip. So, tomorrow, I am going to remove and thoroughly clean the sidestand safety switch and cycle the TPS as described in the thread above.

Read this thread also.....looks like the side stand safety switch might be a problem.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=15678.0
 

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Ok great - a couple of good things to check, and relatively easy - looks like I don't need to remove the airbox to do the TPS thing. But will try the sidestand switch first... this problem seems to be water related, and that's the most likely place to get water in it.
 

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Yes, technically in Asia... Ankara, Turkey. Would like to get this sorted now because if any parts required it's going to be more difficult to get them east of here...
 

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Cool. I hope you get it sorted, also, there are a few S10 riders in your area that may be able to assist, they were registered on the 'help thread'.........
 

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FYI...update on my S10. I cleaned the contacts on the side stand switch....easy, but watch for the spring under the flat contact bar.
I also cycled the TPS per the link I provided above. The access plate is held on by three Torx security screws FYI. It is tight there but the plate can be removed once the gas tank is up. And last, I synced the throttle bodies while the tank was up....first with my old fashioned mercury sticks and confirmed with my TwinMax. They were very slightly out 31,700 miles after the first sync at 1000 miles. ::025::
 

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Motoguy, I went though a bunch of stuff today, connections, sidestand switch, new plugs, but only a slight improvement. Still some hesitation and surging just off idle (under load, not in neutral). Could need a throtte body sync I guess, 15,000 miles since the last one, so that will be done tomorrow - just to rule it out as much as anything else.

Interested in the O2 eliminators, could probably get a pair sent to Turkey before I leave here. Please update your results asap eh?
 

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There is also some discussion on o2 eliminators on here too.

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=6052.0
 

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dcstrom said:
Motoguy, I went though a bunch of stuff today, connections, sidestand switch, new plugs, but only a slight improvement. Still some hesitation and surging just off idle (under load, not in neutral). Could need a throtte body sync I guess, 15,000 miles since the last one, so that will be done tomorrow - just to rule it out as much as anything else.

Interested in the O2 eliminators, could probably get a pair sent to Turkey before I leave here. Please update your results asap eh?
TB sync sound good but do not forget checking the Vacuum Caps that split/leak way too often.
 

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Thanks Tomatocity, I did check the the vacuum caps were seated, but didn't pull them to check for cracks... however... funny story...

I'm staying with a great Turkish guy in Ankara (actually all the Turks I've met have been very friendly and enthusiastic about helping me), and so of course when I had a day pulling the bike apart, he wanted to help (he has a GS1200). I said really, it's OK, it's only a one-man job. He said he understands, but then would be sticking his hands in everywhere - whenever he saw what I was trying to do, he would be in there doing it. Now, I hate having someone even looking over my shoulder as I work, let alone someone helping me who doesn't know what he was doing. He was also pretty gung-ho about it, whereas I'm more slow and methodical. I tried to get the message across that I really didn't need any help. He speaks some english, but language was a bit of an issue too. I really didn't want to offend him, he's been a great host... So I just tried to keep an eye on what he was doing, stepping in when I wasn't happy.

But what always happens when I'm working on a bike and get distracted, is that I forget something. In this case when reassembling the airbox, I forgot to tighten the clamp on the right-hand throttle body. This is the real reason I don't like anyone helping me - not only do I have to watch for their mistakes, I end up making them myself.

I took the bike for a ride and it was a bit better, but still surging at small throttle openings. So decided we had to take it to a mechanic that was highly recommended. (I thought step 1, do a throttle body sync, he would have the equipment) Three of us ride across Ankara (GS and another S10) to a grubby little workshop. Mechanic takes the bike for a ride around the car park, comes back with his diagnosis. TBS, yes, but also it's overheating (yes you just rode it around the car park and the fan came on), it has low compression (?) and needs a new clutch (WTF). All from 2 minutes around the car park.

I said OK, lets do a TBS first. OK leave the bike, it has to be cold to do that. No it doesn't! Eventually I lift the tank to do the TBS and he has no clue where to start. We need to find a turkish service manual. While the tank is up I check the clamps and find the loose one... I say ok lets forget about this until we get the service manual, I put the bike back together and test ride - huge improvement now it's not sucking air where it's not supposed to be. I try to explain what's happened but they are still worried about low compression and bad clutch. The mechanic wants me to leave the bike so he can check valves when it's cold. No chance mate! Anyway it had a valve check only 13000 miles ago, so that is not going to be the problem. The clutch feels fine to me, so I took the other S10 for a ride, it is at 40,000 miles and had a new clutch basket 10,000 miles ago. I couldn't tell the difference between his clutch and mine... So in the end I said thanks, but I don't need you to do anything.

So maybe it does still need a TBS but that's not the cause of my issues. I had found water in the No. 1 plug cavity, maybe that was it? But replaced all plugs anyway, at 12,000 miles it's well before I would normally change, but right at the recommended service interval.

Seems to be running pretty well now, I've ordered the O2 eliminators and a fuel filter sock (I haven't looked at the filter yet, but that will be next) to be delivered to Georgia, so should have them in a couple of weeks.

On another subject, I got my Iran visa yesterday! So looking forward to meeting some Iranians...
 

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DC, glad to here that you got it going and it was something simple. Sounds like you have quite a ride planned. Have fun!
 

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Update,
Yamaha had replaced the throttle body assy. thinking it was a fuel related problem. Went to pick up the bike and when I had started it to leave( after paying my bill). The bike started to backfire at idle again. Promptly got the service manager and had him listen to it. Left the bike there again :'(. Wen't home once again feeling let down.
I had ordered the o2 eliminators from red line, which i now have. Went back to the dealer and asked if I could instal them. After installing the eliminators the bike seems to run just fine. They let me take the bike home so I thought that i would take it to the test and did 230 miles(one tank of gas). Now here is the catch, when riding solo the bike seems to run fine, plenty of power and doesn't skip a beat. But riding 2 up the eng. seems to have a bad vibration around 2800-3200. The dealer is going to contact yamaha again and see what they want to do now.
Any thoughts or comments would be appreciated here. Are the o2 eliminators masking the real problem or fixing one and causing another?
 

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The vibration in that range is typically caused by the 12-13 clutch basket springs. A 14 basket will fix that and it's a straight swap.
 

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Koinz said:
The vibration in that range is typically caused by the 12-13 clutch basket springs. A 14 basket will fix that and it's a straight swap.
Wouldn't the eng. vibrate riding solo also? It is bad enough that you can feel it in the foot pegs even. I don't recall the bike having this much of a vibration before, but then again this is only the 4th time I have ridden it this year.
 

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motoguy said:
Wouldn't the eng. vibrate riding solo also? It is bad enough that you can feel it in the foot pegs even. I don't recall the bike having this much of a vibration before, but then again this is only the 4th time I have ridden it this year.
It probably does, but the additional weight/load makes it real noticeable. You should be able to feel under hard acceleration even when solo.
 

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motoguy, believe Koins about the vibration. There is not reason to question this well known fix.

My question is: you are using O2 sensor eliminators. What was causing the engine to not run well with the stock O2 sensors?
 

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motoguy, believe Koins about the vibration. There is not reason to question this well known fix.

My question is: you are using O2 sensor eliminators. What was causing the engine to not run well with the stock O2 sensors?
Tomato, yes I'm running the O2 eliminators.
I had to modify my prev. post because I didn't want to ruin anything, yamaha was involved and my bike not being under warenty that is. I found out that the mech. AND yamaha does read these post that we put on here. One of the first things that they do is google the problem. A note to everyone here, be carful of what you post (big brother's watching).
I have been running the eliminators for about 2000 miles now and the bike is running great. The dealer had called yamaha about them and yamaha said that it was fine to run them and that they were not going to do any more for me. The next thing that yamaha was going to try was to increase the O2 settings(thinking that the bike was running lean with the backfiring). The dealer had never done this before and seemed confused about it. I was able to explain from what I had read on here and that I would give it a try. I haven't tried it yet because the bike is running fine now. One thing I did notice is my milage had gone up a bit. I had done a lot of highway driving getting an average of 50 on the dash read out. The last couple of rides had been off road with some commuting did bring it down a bit but still at 48mpg. I know that the bike reads higher than actual but just for reference. Im going to do the flash this winter and if I'm not mistaken some of them eliminate the O2 sensors anyway. I believe that one of the O2 sensors is giving a false reading but not enough to cause a code for the light to come on. At $300 each Im not going to take a guess at it.
It would be nice to have a reader that could plug into the bike that would be able to tell me ALL the information that is going on when the bike is running, oh say like a car? Maybe someday the bike manufactures will come up with a standard plug for this just like the auto truck industry had to. Until then its just a guessing game and process of elimination.
For now Im confident enough to take it on a long trip(I had to cancel my last one) and get back to riding again. ::015::
Also I had ordered my 14 clutch basket I think I'm going to do the manual cct at the same time.
 

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motoguy said:
Tomato, yes I'm running the O2 eliminators.
I had to modify my prev. post because I didn't want to ruin anything, yamaha was involved and my bike not being under warenty that is. I found out that the mech. AND yamaha does read these post that we put on here. One of the first things that they do is google the problem. A note to everyone here, be carful of what you post (big brother's watching).
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Glad the bike is running right.


The other part of your post beyond Mama Yama reading the forum was that the company continued to stay with you even after most other companies would've said that your warranty expired, so it is your problem and not theirs.
Again.
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On my first FJR, they did the valves long after the bike was out of warranty, replaced a cracked top box, and more.
 

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Checkswrecks said:
The other part of your post beyond Mama Yama reading the forum was that the company continued to stay with you even after most other companies would've said that your warranty expired.
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One of the reasons I went with Yamaha and not a Beamer,
With them watching, could also be the reason for the change in the 14-15 model year bikes.
 
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