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There are no stupid questions, only stupid people
you forgot cruise control! evil stuff that is ::015::Ironhand said:That sounds like something my father would say about power windows and air conditioning.
you forgot cruise control! evil stuff that is ::015::Ironhand said:That sounds like something my father would say about power windows and air conditioning.
True Grip said:Honda went both ways on the AT
DCT weak point would be cheap switch gear
Manual would be the cable which can wear over time
Cable would be an easier fix in the boonies or foreign country.
For travel bike I'll take reliable but don't know why an off-road bike doesn't have a juice clutch. That lever could get mighty tiring in a half day of sand or big rock.
When fuel injection first came out my dad bought a left over carb truck. Way to go dad! Carbs were what he knew and was comfortable with them. I am my father son which is not entirely a bad thing!
TG, I'm sure you were,but........................ that was not actually directed towards you or anyone in general.True Grip said:Dog I've been called worse
Great post ::008::Dogdaze said:FWIW, I had the privilege to run BMW M3's and later M5's for many years ::012::, M3 were available in manual and SMG (sequential manual gearbox) which was a manual gearbox with paddle and lever shift clutchlessly (no clutch pedal) same as a DCT on Honda, it also allowed me to run 'fully auto' which would change gear when I released the gas a little and allowed a shift up. I loved the SMG, would never ever consider a car like the M3 with manual gearbox. It allowed my to shift in 1/10th of the time a fast manual shift, on a track this was awesome, on the road, even better. There is nothing wrong with the DCT, and only one incident that I read about and Honda Japan stepped in and took over and shipped the bike back to Japan, giving the owner a new one. I suspect the switchgear was at fault. Would I drive a manual car ever again? Never out of choice, why make life harder than it needs to be? Each to his own and enjoy what you like, but to dismiss technology and advancement in a Neanderthal manner is just obnoxious, and if wanting an auto box makes me less of a 'man' then so be it. I see the the benefits of auto far outweigh manual gears. But as pointed out, Honda make both options, give them credit for that at least, rather than 'here's your black bike with four speed transmission'!!
True Grip said:Dog I've been called worse
Right now knowing how I like to ride I would chose the AT over a Tenere but I pretty much ride my Tenere sliding the rear and roosting and as rough a road as I can find. The AT is not that much more svelte than the Tenere but I could put the added suspension to work. Now we have word of middleweights coming from Yamaha and KTM so the AT envy is on hold.
Had I bought an AT it would have been a tough decision I can see where the DCT would be great for not missing a shift on a steep climb.
Technology never makes anybody less a man (got a phone computer in my hand) just brings a different set of problems to sort out. Kinda like new washing machines
Alt Rider stuff for the AT looks good!
No
And no thank you Honda, I'll ride a real bike with a real clutch.
Perhaps you had the E36 version from the early 90's, not the better E46 version? I get the impression change is hard to accept, perhaps user error? I did have quite a few owners not get the concept, almost like a synapse not allowing a connection in the brain and so became frustrated! I found them to be fantastic, square cut gears, hard shifts, just like DTM, Touring cars, F1, WRC and a few more.... but not NASCAR, they still use truck transmissions from the 70's.Chuck B said:I owned a couple early M3's with SMG....they sux big time. Horrible transmission. Similar trans on the M4 is good. I'll still take a manual...
I did say I had a couple early versions of the SMG and I did say I have the new version in the new M4. The first sucked the latest does not. My wife liked the SMG II in her E46. I found it much improved but nothing to post up about on a forum. I prefer manual. Nothing to do with 'witchcraft' or 'user error'. It's called preferences....I prefer a manual transmission. Far more pleasant to drive to/for me.Dogdaze said:Perhaps you had the E36 version from the early 90's, not the better E46 version? I get the impression change is hard to accept, perhaps user error? I did have quite a few owners not get the concept, almost like a synapse not allowing a connection in the brain and so became frustrated! I found them to be fantastic, square cut gears, hard shifts, just like DTM, Touring cars, F1, WRC and a few more.... but not NASCAR, they still use truck transmissions from the 70's.
All Honda are doing is giving you (as in everyone) a choice, something I thought people of the free world would embrace, not shun away from and view it as 'witchcraft'........
I looked at one again recently. I agree it doesn't look much bigger than my KLR that I had. Hard to beieve it is a 500lb bike.shrekonwheels said:There is a couple riding around on an AT here in town now. WOw I am surprised how small that bike really is.
I bought the Super T specifically for two up Adventure touring, I cannot see myself on that small of a bike.
Still happy it is out there to fit a Niche for someone else though
and what did you think of it compared to the ST?cosmic said:Oops I did it again...