Re-flash or PCV????

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Ok. I got almost 3K miles on this beauty.

I keep reading through all the forum info and it seems that there are two camps.

One with the ECU re-flash. And
One with PCV and exhaust.

Can’t decide which one to do.

They both seem to have advantages.

I’m leaning towards the PCV. Mostly because I can do the work.
But even though I want more growl and less airbox whine, I don’t want loud.
I have Akro’s on the Husky’s and they are kind of loud. Not like an FMF or anything, but a little too much pop for my dual sport tastes.

Is the ECU re-flash mostly for EU 1-3 restrictions? I know it does more than that.
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There are going to be many people with there own opinion! The Akrapovic and LEO are the quietest mufflers.. I depends on what your looking for, from there my self or others could maybe suggest something. On my own bike I have the exhaust - air filter - PCV&AT.. That is a great set up. Last week I worked on a customers bike that had this done along with the flash. So I was able to ride the two bikes back to back.. They are both better than stock for sure. I like the PCV & AT because you can play with the fuel and tune it up for what might suit you... ::008::
 

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So that is the question.

The bike with both. Was there a marked difference between yours and his? Or do they kind of nullify each other? Similar results from different angles.

I ride in southern Indiana and love to adventure. I have always had dual sports because I am easily distracted. I am truly GenX.

My old MaximX hit the trails more than once. And I have had the XT on my MX track. No huge hits, but some air for sure.

Not generally going to be riding at 100mph in the desert. But I have my hopes and dreams.

I want specifically to have the power to lift the front end when needed. No so much about wheelies as it is about trail riding. I just don't feel that safe unless I can lift the front over any obstacle at any speed and RPM. It is almost there now.

I can force the light dirt bikes, but big blue has to do the work.

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Here where my thoughts after I got off the bike last week... If you like, or if you have more questions feel free to call anytime...


Just wrapped up a customers bike with some of the 'normal' after market parts. Headers, muffler, air filter, PCV & AT... One thing new was the FLASH..
(for a side by side comparison, my ST has all these parts with out the flash) After checking the bike, warming it up, Etc.. I took it out for a test ride. As others have stated, it feels smoother, revs faster, pulls harder, and is just flat out bad ass.. Im excited the difference between my bike and this bike, the only difference being the flash. And (T) mode is a WHOLE new monster... Ive thought to myself that this bike with the flash (and other goodies) verses my bike with the same parts, is this... The (T) mode with the bike with the flash feels similar to my normal (S) mode. When you switch the flash bike to (S) is the difference with and with out the flash.. Its a pretty big difference.. The power is very smooth and pulls FANTASTIC all though the rev range. I hate to say that it is another level above the headers - PCV - AT - muffler... It is better with the flash.......

Here is where I do a little experiment. After the test ride with the flash, I come back and ZERO'ed out all the PCV tables on everything.. The AFR, Etc... So now I have no fuel values and the PCV is not adding or doing anything. I go right back out. The bike is NOT the same. It does not pull as hard in the lower RPM's. and the power drops off and breaks up above 6K. The "power window" is now much smaller. The bike is still smooth and responsive but definitely NOT the same at all.. The rapidness of the RPM's is not the same with out the PCV either. Another thing that I noticed right off the bat in this little unscientific experiment was this, with the PCV & AT there was NO popping anywhere, anytime..... You take the PCV & AT away and there was popping right out of the gate. It would gurgle and pop during the short ride. The ECM is really good, but its much better with the PCV & AT. Im not sure what this says about the software in the ECM, but my experience tells me I want to add the flash to my ST. Im not racing, I dont want a race engine, that's not what this bike is about. But for overall enjoyment, this bolt on engine package of parts is very awesome ! After going back to the office, I reinstalled the PCV software I had just removed and the BEAST is back.. It had gone right back to being the best Super Tenere engine I have ever felt...

Being that I have had the opportunity work on many Super Teneres and have installed and ridden all the bikes with all different combo's of parts. Ive never felt a better combo that this set up PERIOD. This combo of parts, ECM, maps, pipes, Etc has transformed this engine into magic !

I just wanted to give you my perspective of this combo of parts. And the use of PCV & AT with the flash, and then backing out the software to have a back to back comparison. I also have my bike that has all the same bolt on parts minus the flash as an unofficial 'control'... Another thing I noticed with the flash is the bike tends to warm up faster. Also, if you come to a stop it tends to heat up much faster than my bike with out the flash. With my bike on average the temp will stay the same for 15-20 seconds or so before slowly climbing. With the flash it tended to raise the second I stopped and kept climbing until I took off again. I dont know if this is timing in the ECM software but the engine seams to be hotter.

After speaking to many people about the flash and some that have had the flash installed I had my ideas of what it would / could do.. After riding this combo of parts it is the best (((( IMOP )))) smoothest, most powerful, MOST FUN, Super Tenere engine you can get !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The parts list is such: Headers, muffler, air filter, PCV & AT, ECM FLASH = the most fun you can have with a Super Tenere !
 

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I first wanted to go PCV, then there is the tuning!!! I have a hard time loading an Ipad on Itunes or even my GoPro that has been sitting in my garage ten months unused, let alone tuning a Power Commander !!! The next thing is the ole price tag. Of course going full exhaust, and PCV, you are talking $1200. The ECU is $449 unbolt-bolt back up!!! NO messing, just drive!!! Many like to mess and tinker and adjust and load and download and all. As for power, I am getting the TCS light to flash during acceleration out of corners in TC1 S mode using my K60 Heidi tires!!! (I don't think they have good road traction at all) I can't imagine shutting off the TCS all together, I would be slipping all over the place. I even am topping 300lbs on the scale, so if you are a little minnie mouse, then you should be able to lift the front with a little finese and clutch feathering. I am not good at that, or even getting the front up if I had to without revving up to 5000rpm, then dumping clutch. It would be all over, just trying to hang on!!! I notice a big difference in the power delivery with just a slip on and the ECU!!! Good luck lifting your front end. The only front end I want to lift is through the mid section!!!!
 

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Jaxon, So is the popping I am getting, a true sign of this thing running lean? Do i need to worry you think? I have the baffle out of the muffler, and wonder if the popping will reduce if i put it back in!!! :question: :question: :question: :question:
 

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HoebSTer said:
Jaxon, So is the popping I am getting, a true sign of this thing running lean? Do i need to worry you think? I have the baffle out of the muffler, and wonder if the popping will reduce if i put it back in!!! :question: :question: :question: :question:
I'm not sure all your mods.... Typically popping is not so good = lean... In my very unscientific test I had popping with just the ECM and then when I loaded back the 'fuel' with the PCV that ended all the popping.. Feel free to call me if you like and Ill be happy to try and help....
 

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As Jaxon/Tabasco pointed out, you are going to get lots of views from both sides of the fence, but in the end it is all about what *YOU* want, and what you want to achieve with the bike.

That said, you asked, so here's what i did, and why...

I went with the ECUnleashed re-flash. IMHO, it is a much more elegant and simple solution to what I was looking for. I wanted to get the fueling smoother and cleaner down low, and better throttle response, and certainly remove any Yamaha emissions/noise nanny restriction maps in any of the gears... And yes, USA models have those restrictions, too. Many were doing the jumper CO-mod, airscrew fiddling, etc. to try and get rid of the occasional low-speed stumble and inconsistent fueling at ultra-low RPM, but both of those just seemed like band-aids to me. I knew from various discussions with those in the know that the re-flash would solve this issue better than most. After all, a re-flash is an opportunity to re-map the fueling and other parameters to whatever is optimal for the engine all across the rev range and under any load condition. The airscrew and CO-mod can only address a limited part of the operating range, so that seemed like only a partial fix - at least to get an optimal result.

The other great thing about the ECUnleashed re-flash is that it can done to match any mods you have to the engine, and even help it a ton stock (more on that in a moment). And better yet, if you make mods later you can have the ECU re-flashed (at a much lower cost) to take those mods into effect.

I had my personal ECUnleashed re-flash done by AF-1 Racing in New Braunfels, TX, and at the time I was also planning to install a set of Arrow header pipes so I could eliminate the catalytic converter, though I wanted to keep the stock muffler (I like *Q-U-I-E-T* motorcycles, but I hate catalytic converters), and so I had the re-flash optimized for such a set-up. AF-1 ordered up my Arrow header pipes and I picked them up the day I went in to have my ECU re-flashed. Brought everything home and installed the ECU, but with the stock header pipes...

To say I was *HAPPY* is certainly an understatement. It performed better than I originally thought it might. When I went into it I didn't have any rose-colored glasses on about what the re-flash would do. Some were looking for *HUGE* power gains, or something that transformed the bike into some sort of R-1 beater. I knew it couldn't do that, and had no illusions about it. They don't advertise it that way, and nowhere does anyone who does the re-flashes claims anything like huge power gains... Just modest ones and the removal of any mapping restrictions in the ECU.

However, my re-flash has performed so well with the bike stock I have not even put the Arrow headers yet. The best part, to me in particular, is the improvement in low-speed, low-rev fueling. I can idle around with the clutch out like I'm on a trials bike... Something the stock ECU programming wouldn't allow. Now there are no bucks, stumbles, snatching, or jerkiness at low speeds, and you can literally slip the clutch out at idle and get rolling. The improvement leaving stop lights and signs is so dramatically improved that it's hard to describe. And that's the kind of improvement you use not just every day, but every time you come to a stop. From there on up it just gets better... Smooth, linear, wonderfully usable power. The Super Tenere has a pretty damn nice torque curve and power delivery stock. The ECUnleashed re-flash just makes it better, all across the board. From idle to redline it's like a locomotive, pulling at every RPM in any gear, without stumble or hesitation, and with authority. Pure torque... Just like I like.

You might ask why I didn't go the PC-V route... Well, I've had Powercommanders before, and while they have their place, and those types of "add-on fuelers" were once the best game in town, if you look at the problem more closely and objectively you may come to the same conclusion that I did - they are nothing more than an external band-aid to try and mimic re-mapping the actual ECU. IN other words, they attempt to literally do a re-flash, only without actually re-programming the ECU. What they do is try to *trick* the ECU into delivering different fuel amounts than it actually wants to. These "fuelers" do this by various methods, but it is all actually done externally. So, this means that if the "fueler", or its wiring, or the installation fails, or has issues, then you suddenly lose its benefits... Something that can't happen with a true re-flash. Just always seemed to me to go to try and cure the disease rather than putting on a band-aid.

For me, I believe in the KISS principle - Keep It Simple Stupid. A lot of years in the trenches of professional racing, both on two- and four-wheels, taught me the simplest, most robust solution with the fewest parts was usually the best way to go. I like reliability. I like it a *LOT*. And to me anything added on only serves to reduce reliability - i.e. the more things there are to fail, the more likely one of them will.

I've had Powercommanders on a number of bikes, and other brand "fuelers" on another couple of bikes. They're great - when they work. But have a problem, and it's hell tracking down whether it's the actually Powercommander, if the maps have gotten scrambled, the wiring, or what. It is frustrating as hell, and can have you pulling your hair out. Like I said, in their day these "fuelers" were definitely the answer, but that's only because for a long time they were the only game in town. I know that when I was in Indy Car racing you never saw anything like a PC-V. If you wanted to change the fueling, or other parameters, out came the laptop and the ECU got re-programmed. Simple as that, and believe me about two things... Reliability is everything in that game, righ tbehind horsepower... And if some add-on device could aid power then they would have it. But logic will tell you that re-mapping the ECU is getting to the root of the issue.

In closing I will mention one last advantage of the ECUnleashed re-flash... It runs "open-loop" at all times, so you can toss the Lambda/O2 sensors. This gets rid of one more electronic component that can fail, so that even improves operating reliability. Take it from someone who has had O2 sensors fail, and when they do they always pick the most inopportune times!

Understand, I think DynoJet makes a fine product with the Powercommander line-up, and I have nothing against them in any way. It's just that to me they will one day be as antiquated and odd as people see carbs now. ECU-remapping has been the norm in the four-wheel world for years, and you rarely, if ever, see any "add-on" boxes there. Nope, instead you now buy "tuners" that re-map the ECU. That's the way motorcycles will be going, and many already have... Even the OEM manufacturers. Just witness the current crop of MX bikes from the Japanese, KTM, etc.

Just my two centavos... YMMV.

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Dallara,

So you are running an ECU-Unleashed flash for an Arrow header...on the stock headers? Wouldn't that mean your fueling is too rich?

When you say

"After all, a re-flash is an opportunity to re-map the fueling and other parameters to whatever is optimal for the engine all across the rev range and under any load condition. The airscrew and CO-mod can only address a limited part of the operating range, so that seemed like only a partial fix - at least to get an optimal result.

The other great thing about the ECUnleashed re-flash is that it can done to match any mods you have to the engine..."

Is this an "active" process? Or is this "checking boxes" on the computer screen?

Re-tuning the ECU on the dyno, with an AFR probe would be the IDEAL way. This is the way most automotive tuning has gone. "Piggy back" tuning, such as the Power Commander is LONG in the past in the automotive world. Generally you buy an interface box that allows reflashing the ECU. Then you can use a wideband to tune similar to the AutoTune.

Unfortunately the motorcycle world (Yamaha specifically) is a little "young" in this trend.

www.flash-tune.com is CLOSE, but they don't offer a setup for the Tenere.

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Dallara,

So you are running an ECU-Unleashed flash for an Arrow header...on the stock headers? Wouldn't that mean your fueling is too rich?

When you say

"After all, a re-flash is an opportunity to re-map the fueling and other parameters to whatever is optimal for the engine all across the rev range and under any load condition. The airscrew and CO-mod can only address a limited part of the operating range, so that seemed like only a partial fix - at least to get an optimal result.

The other great thing about the ECUnleashed re-flash is that it can done to match any mods you have to the engine..."

Is this an "active" process? Or is this "checking boxes" on the computer screen?

Re-tuning the ECU on the dyno, with an AFR probe would be the IDEAL way. This is the way most automotive tuning has gone. "Piggy back" tuning, such as the Power Commander is LONG in the past in the automotive world. Generally you buy an interface box that allows reflashing the ECU. Then you can use a wideband to tune similar to the AutoTune.

Unfortunately the motorcycle world (Yamaha specifically) is a little "young" in this trend.

www.flash-tune.com is CLOSE, but they don't offer a setup for the Tenere.

ac


Most people would have little idea of just how "young", naive, and primitive the motorcycle world is in this area... despite what some may think. I'm glad you have a grasp of that.

To try and answer your questions in order...

Is the my particular ECUnleashed re-flash "too rich" because it is optimized for use with the Arrow headers and stock muffler, yet I am currently running the stock header pipes with the cat?

Perhaps, but if so it is so slight as to be almost negligible. The catalytic converter on the Super Tenere is a very large, extremely free-flowing cat, as are most from Jap motorcycle manufacturers these days. They are rarely the true bottleneck in the flow equation of current exhaust systems despite popular magazine-logic, etc. My main reason for disliking cats is the the excessive heat they throw off down around your ankles, the shock, etc., and the fact that if you are stuck someplace where only leaded fuel is available you can damage a catalytic converter pretty quick. I don't like either of those options. Anyway, the bike should run almost exactly the same in this instance with or without the Arrow headers.

Regarding getting your ECUnleashed re-flash optimized for your particular bike, riding, fuel octane, etc... You do this with the shop that does the re-flash. You simply tell them what your bike has, what octane fuel you'd like to run, etc. and they e-mail ECUnleashed with that info along with your VIN, which part number is on your ECU, etc.. Shortly thereafter - and this depends on which shop you use - a map comes back from ECUnleashed written with your scoot in mind. Then the tech connects your ECU to the computer, saves your stock map, and uploads the ECUnleashed map to the ECU. It's that simple. In my case I called Ed Cook at AF-1 ahead of time, told him how I wanted the ECU programmed and gave him my info, and then I brought my ECU in a few days later. While I was there the entire re-flash process took about 10 minutes.

And yes, tuning the ECU on the dyno (though I do not agree it is always necessary to use an AF/R probe, but that's a subject for another time) is the best possible scenario, and that's another wonderful thing about getting an ECUnleashed re-flash from AF-1... If you get it from them, and then they run it on their dyno and check the output, and they see any changes need to be made, they let ECUnleashed know and those folks re-write your map, send it to AF-1, they load and check it on the dyno again - and that re-write is *FREE* - you only pay for the dyno time.

Now, if you get it optimized on the dyno that time, and then come back with a bunch of other mods at a later date, you have to pay (though not the full amount) for another re-flash program. But for the first one the software re-writes are free... Just pay for the pump time.

Give Ed at AF-1 a call. I know he'll be happy to answer any questions you might have.

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Yamaha is certainly behind the times in this area, compared to Triumph, KTM, Ducati... who with the use of software such as Tuneboy, or TuneECU allow you to go in and:

Modify the ignition map
Change the rev limit
Change the thermo fan settings
Modify air fuel targets used in the ECU
Change the idle speed
Change warm up fuel for cold starting
Diagnose faults
Run ECU test procedures
Modify fuel mapping using a DynoJet tuning link
Change when the ECU uses the O2 sensor for closed loop mode
Data log information

just like with modern automobiles.

Plus there are a host of tune maps already done up that you can load and try to your hearts content.

All you need is a PC, and the software (TuneECU is free, just buy a $5 cable). I use Tuneboy($300) myself, since TuneECU was not available when I bought mine.

In fact Triumph uses a standard OBD-II connector just like your car!

Of course with all this capability, you can do just as much harm as good, if you don't know what you are doing!

I which we had this for the ST!

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Steve,

Triumph is who I was referencing. I own a Speed Triple too. TuneECU is great.

My previous bikes were Buells and we had programs for them too.

Once you live in that world, you wouldn't want to play in this one.

ECU Unleashed sounds great. I will probably go that way...

BUT. Open loop is not the best way to run the bike 100% of the time. Pre-packaged tunes are not "ideal" for every bike/every situation. I highly doubt the ECU-U mothership has extensive dyno experience with EVERY configuration Tenere available. Instead, they probably played with just a few. They probably have the same map for every muffler. There MIGHT be changes for the header, but Dallara proves it isn't necessary. With regards to octane, they probably make standard timing adjustments.

I'd prefer to pop a wide band in the header and play myself.

I tried to email www.flash-tune.com. They need a bike in Southern California to develop their interface. Unfortunately I am in Northern NJ.

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BUT. Open loop is not the best way to run the bike 100% of the time. Pre-packaged tunes are not "ideal" for every bike/every situation. I highly doubt the ECU-U mothership has extensive dyno experience with EVERY configuration Tenere available. Instead, they probably played with just a few. They probably have the same map for every muffler. There MIGHT be changes for the header, but Dallara proves it isn't necessary. With regards to octane, they probably make standard timing adjustments.

I'd prefer to pop a wide band in the header and play myself.

Well, I guess there will always be a debate about open-loop versus closed-loop, but IMHO once you have landed on a proper map for the parameters of your ECU, engine, etc. then I've found most of the time you can solve any issues with minor mapping alterations. Like in Indy Car, with Ilmors, Cosworths, and later even the NA Oldmobiles/Chevies (actually TWR's) we would do extensive on-track testing (needless to say after their extensive dyno development), etc. with Lambda sensors to get feedback, but then much of the rest of the time the Lambda's would be pulled and fewer changes than you might imagine were ever needed. In other words, we would run closed-loop for testing but then open-loop for literally all other times. If the maps are *right*, then usually the engine management's software can compensate for any ambient temp, barometric pressure, etc. changes. It essentially has to, as those conditions change dramatically from the start of the races to midway when everyone is running in a pack with track temps climbing, etc.

I've found much the same with motorcycles (and I used to tune my Ducati's with Technoresearch rigs). Once you're *there*, little adjustment should be necessary, and honestly, for most of us and most of our riding getting even 95% *there* is plenty good enough for street use. Since I have no intention of using my Super Tenere for road racing, etc. (BT,DT), where I might be sweating the last bit of torque out of the engine, I'm not too worried about constantly fiddling with it to eek out a percent or two on my fuel maps.

I'd rather be riding! :D ::26:: :D

But again, thats' just my two centavos... YMMV!

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FWIW I have ECU Unleashed done by AF1. Arrow header and first with a Two Brothers can, Now Leo. I have been pretty content vs past exp with a Power Commander on other bikes. PC whatever rev works, no complaints. ECU Unleashed works, and no extra stuff.

This past weekend I did the CO adjust mod and did her up at plus 7.

FUK YEA! Runs like a thief in the night!

I also put the DB killer into the Leo, for those interested it is quiet as stock at half the weight. It is quiet and smooth, but down on power again. That's the bad news, the notorious butt dyno confirms Leo tech support advice that the DB killer also kill power. The DB killer is coming back out and maybe another notch or 2 on the CO adj to compensate. The good news is I am really close to nirvana.
 

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I agree, ECM flash and a bit more fuel and this engine is really awesome. "IMOP" :D
 

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Bigbore4 said:
FWIW I have ECU Unleashed done by AF1. Arrow header and first with a Two Brothers can, Now Leo. I have been pretty content vs past exp with a Power Commander on other bikes. PC whatever rev works, no complaints. ECU Unleashed works, and no extra stuff.

This past weekend I did the CO adjust mod and did her up at plus 7.

FUK YEA! Runs like a thief in the night!

I also put the DB killer into the Leo, for those interested it is quiet as stock at half the weight. It is quiet and smooth, but down on power again. That's the bad news, the notorious butt dyno confirms Leo tech support advice that the DB killer also kill power. The DB killer is coming back out and maybe another notch or 2 on the CO adj to compensate. The good news is I am really close to nirvana.
Alright, I need to ask a few questions

1. Your ECU-U flash is supposed to be for your exhaust? If you are setting CO to 7, you must not have felt your ECU flash was rich enough. This sounds awfully familiar to Jaxon's claims with the PCV in addition to the flash.
2. When you say "db killer", do you mean the insert BEFORE the muffler? Are you running the "stinger" in the end? Ducati guys found that the LV "db killer" sucked up to 40 (yes, FORTY) hp from the Multistrada.

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Alright, I need to ask a few questions

1. Your ECU-U flash is supposed to be for your exhaust? If you are setting CO to 7, you must not have felt your ECU flash was rich enough. This sounds awfully familiar to Jaxon's claims with the PCV in addition to the flash.
2. When you say "db killer", do you mean the insert BEFORE the muffler? Are you running the "stinger" in the end? Ducati guys found that the LV "db killer" sucked up to 40 (yes, FORTY) hp from the Multistrada.

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When I ordered the flash it was for Arrow header, slip on can (TBR) and Premium fuel.
With the ECU Unleashed flash, the power is fekken awesome. I still had some lean surge at idle however. Not sure why, something specific to my bike. I diddled the throttle body screw 3/4 and synched too, better but not "there".

So this past weekend I decided it was time to do the CO adj. I did a stealth job on the wiring, if I get ambitious I'll post pics in that thread, I can adj at will. That made a huge difference in idle and off idle performance. Lean surge gone, smooth, this made the biggest difference in low speed rideability. If you aint done it, do t.

I only have about 10k miles on the bike, but so far this is about a tie with the FJR for best bike ever.

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What about the different configurations of your exhaust?

The TBR should have been wide open and compared to the LV with NO stinger/db killer. Fueling for that should have been close, no?

With the stinger in the LV I would think you would actually be a "tad" rich in most conditions. With the db killer in, you should be "super" rich. BTW: how is sound and loudness with these 2 options?

With the ECU in open loop from the ECU-U flash, I am not 100% sure what adjusting the CO does. Is the CO adjustment a "trim" for the open loop map? If so, your tuning is off and the canned tune just isn't that great. I know you say "something specific to my bike", but Jaxon saw it also on his customer's bike. The ECU-U flash with header/exhaust ran better with more fuel.

Of course both of you are poking around on the butt dyno, so there is great variance. However, FEEL is all that really matters. There are no dynos ripping up mountain passes.

ac
 

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avc8130 said:
What about the different configurations of your exhaust?

The TBR should have been wide open and compared to the LV with NO stinger/db killer. Fueling for that should have been close, no?

With the stinger in the LV I would think you would actually be a "tad" rich in most conditions. With the db killer in, you should be "super" rich. BTW: how is sound and loudness with these 2 options?

With the ECU in open loop from the ECU-U flash, I am not 100% sure what adjusting the CO does. Is the CO adjustment a "trim" for the open loop map? If so, your tuning is off and the canned tune just isn't that great. I know you say "something specific to my bike", but Jaxon saw it also on his customer's bike. The ECU-U flash with header/exhaust ran better with more fuel.

Of course both of you are poking around on the butt dyno, so there is great variance. However, FEEL is all that really matters. There are no dynos ripping up mountain passes.

ac
I have yet to hear of even one person that had dyno pulls and map adjustments done at the ECUu tuning center with their S10. If someone ever gets around to doing that, it would be nice to know the results.
 

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Tenerator12 said:
I have yet to hear of even one person that had dyno pulls and map adjustments done at the ECUu tuning center with their S10. If someone ever gets around to doing that, it would be nice to know the results.
Couldn't agree more. I was spoiled as a Buell owner:

http://www.americansportbike.com/Exhaust_Shootout.html

American Sportbike got a TON of business from doing these shootouts.

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