Post-Surgery Boredom Farkle-Search Thread

creggur

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So I'm sitting here feeling like I've been hit by a truck after having emergency surgery to remove my gallbladder Thursday night looking for small farkles to dump some cash on and I'm wondering:

Is there ANY performance advantage at all to installing a K&N or similar style air filter on the bike?

I don't particularly relish the idea of cleaning and oiling an otherwise 5 minute maintenance consumable if there is no real reason to do it. If it would however improve throttle response, power, smoothness...something, anything - I would be willing to do it.

I have a GenII flash and Akrapovic can on an otherwise stock powertrain.

Here's hoping this turns into an "oil thread" if for no other reason my entertainment and education on the subject. Like I said, I'm bored...
 

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I've got K & N's on my Miata & Subaru OBXT.

Interestingly I bought a stocker OEM air filter instead of a K/N for my 1st time replacement.

No idea why I didn't go for the K/N...brain fart maybe..?

I'd say go for it.
 

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Sorry to hear you are feeling uncomfortable after surgery. Couple days and you will be much better. If not hammer those drugs.

Since you have an aftermarket exhaust I would have thought you would have already installed a K&N air filter or something similar.

Thanks for reminding me to clean my K&N and while I am there I will sync the TB's.
 

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Get well fast bro. Then ride.
Gen2 flash and can already.
To squeeze more you gotta go full-boat, headers\computer$$$$$

(From what I gather, anyways)

You just need to get well and back on your feet. :)
 

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I won a BMC filter at the Rally...dropped it in when I got home, but can't say I noticed any performance difference (my bike is stock, and I only have the CJM currently).
 

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No performance advantage at all. Save your money.


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Firefight911 said:
No performance advantage at all. Save your money.


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+1 on that!!

Regardless of what you will hear to the contrary, unless you open up your OEM airbox to allow more air in, the K&N or BMC do nothing. They have the ability to if more air could get to them, but the restriction is the airbox intake, not the OEM filter.
 

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Pretty sure this will start a sh!tstorm, but here goes.

Keep the OE. The K&N and other oiled gauze filters do not filter as well. Their big advantage is the ability to clean and re-use, which is an advantage if you are in the middle of nowhere with a clogged filter.

That said, I have a K&N in my FJR which is used almost exclusively on asphalt. I can clean, dry and re-oil and save quite a bit of dough. On my Super Tenere which see's more gravel and dirt, I am sticking with the OE air filter. I want to keep more than just the chickens and rocks out.

Get well soon.
 

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Yikes .... post surgery farkling .... jeez. I'd be sleeping or playing with nurses.

Get well soon Creggur
 

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Check out my stock filter at 12k miles:



You can see that the bike doesn't even inhale through the whole filter. The air is concentrated around the intake snorkel area. As that area clogs up, the flow will work its way to the less "direct" routes. A real reduction in flow will not occur until the whole filter is "clogged". It doesn't take much to inspect the filter and never let this happen.

K&N suck. All market and hype. Their big selling point was "reusable". I just saw their latest commercial and now they are marketing no maintenance! The commercial advocated 100k miles between cleanings!

The Yamaha filters are cheap enough for how often you really need to change them. If you want to try something different, slap some Uni foam pods on there like the Aussies get.

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Some very quick and simple reading on air filter comparisons and performance...

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest2.htm

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest4.htm

Count me as one in the "the stock Yamaha paper air filter is the best" category. Despite what some people will tell you the motorcycle manufacturers don't put paper air filters in their bikes so they can make tons of money on you buying replacement air filters, nor do they choose paper filter because they are cheap. They choose them because they work the best for nearly all situations with a properly designed airbox, and therefore they avoid the most potential warranty claims. They also design them to flow way more air than the engine needs, so any claims that oiled-gauze filters (K&N, BMC, DNA, etc.) "flow more air" are snake oil. Even if such filters were capable of passing more air it wouldn't matter... In this case the engine couldn't use it. It already gets all it could possibly need (and more) from the stock paper filter and airbox, and more than enough even if you have a different can, headers, a flash, a PC-V with AT, and 87 different PC maps.

Worst part of oiled-gauze filters is that they pass more dirt than paper (and so does oiled foam). That might be fine for a race engine that is torn down on a regular basis to check internal tolerances, etc., but are you going to do that with your Super Tenere?

Yes, the motorcycle manufacturers do use oiled-foam filter on their MX and enduro models, but these are bikes where the filters are expected to be cleaned are very frequent (relatively) intervals, like after only a few rides, not tens of thousands of miles. Oiled-foam certainly doesn't filter any better than paper, and again even if an oiled-foam filter could flow more air, your Super Tenere engine is already getting all it needs with the paper filter, and more.

Can you same money by using a washable oiled-gauze or oiled foam filter? Maybe... But frequent washing of oiled-foam eventually causes enough wear-and-tear on them that they need to be replaced. We use a rotation of three oiled-foam UNI-brand filters on each of our vintage CZ race bikes... One for practice, and one for each moto during the day, then they are cleaned an re-oiled... And at the end of the year at least one needs to be replaced. We also keep spares on-hand, because sometime they get torn or the glued-seams split. Point is, you may buy oiled-foam filters and save a bit of money for a while being able to clean them, but sooner or later the oiled-foam ones will have to be replaced, and no doubt they will be more expensive than the factory paper filter.

Oiled-gauze saving you money? Again, maybe... But how much? From all reports on this forum the stock paper filters are going 12,000 to 25,000 miles before needing to be replaced (I replaced mine at 16,500 miles, but it really didn't need to be. It looked much like AVC's). How many miles a year do you ride? But remember... Oiled-gauze passes more dirt than paper, so the real questions here is "How much dirt do you want in your engine between oiled-gauze filter servicing?", and "Do I really want *ANY* more dirt in my engine than I have to have?"

Bottom line - IMHO you will see absolutely no performance gains with oiled-gauze or oiled-foam, and either will actually require more frequent servicing with more effort. You may save a few pennies over replacing the OEM paper filters in the long, long, long run, but you will be letting a lot more dirt and grit in your engine in the meantime.

Just my two centavos... YMMV.


Dallara




p.s. Get well soon, Creggur. My girlfriend had her gall bladder out a few years ago, as did one of my best friends, and both said it was brutal just before and during, but the "after" was all worth it. Take care!

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Swagger said:
Yikes .... post surgery farkling .... jeez. I'd be sleeping or playing with nurses.

Get well soon Creggur
Thanks everyone for the well-wishes. Feeling much better other than the feeling that someone took a 9 iron to my mid-section... Mom and pops came into to town to check on me and I was feeling good enough to do some tinkering.

Pop disassembled and reassembled - I prepped and sprayed:

Before:


After:


Had a good time, just hanging out with the old man and taking our time tinkering and painting.
 

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creggur said:
Thanks everyone for the well-wishes.

Pop disassembled and reassembled - I prepped and sprayed.

Had a good time, just hanging out with the old man and taking our time tinkering and painting.
+1 on the father/son time.
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