On the fly switch for traction control???

[twinrider]

Can anyone weigh in as to why no one has developed a switch to allow on the fly switching of traction control, or at least on/off while riding? Not even in the flash that some companies have developed?

Is it really that difficult?

 

[Gun]

Id love it if someone did devise a way. Thats my only real bugbear about the S10. Having to come to a stop to change the TC setting is pain in the ass.

 

[mcbrien]

I wish I could keep power to the traction control function when I temporally
stop when off road . I have problem forgetting to check TC every
time I shut off motor .

 

[scott123007]

I wish I could keep power to the traction control function when I temporally
stop when off road . I have problem forgetting to check TC every
time I shut off motor .

That's a great idea and something to look into. I doubt it is a dedicated circuit like the ABS is, but if it is, you would just have to get unswitched service to the fuse, and a toggle switch you'll have to remember to turn on and off yourself, and you should be good to go.

 

[~TABASCO~]

This was brought up two years ago, and im glad we are revisiting it again.... We should collectively look into this and find a 'way'... This mod would be GREAT ! ::008::

 

[mcbrien]

That's a great idea and something to look into. I doubt it is a dedicated circuit like the ABS is, but if it is, you would just have to get unswitched service to the fuse, and a toggle switch you'll have to remember to turn on and off yourself, and you should be good to go.

I was figureing that you could add a 2nd power line with an on/off switch
so when you wanted it on full time you could turn it on and with it off it
would work normally .

 

[roy]

This a gripe of mine. I hate the defaulting back to TCS1 when I cut it off and I really hate not being able to change it while rolling.

FWIW the New Suzuki Vstrom 1000 TC can be toggled while moving. You just have to roll completely off the throttle to switch it.

 

[roll_it_on]

Ok I would love to be able to switch it on the go too! Now we just need to find someone smart enough to figure out a great way to move the switch to the handlebars and make it adjustable on the fly. I have faith in the smarter than me guys on this forum so get to it

 

[snakebitten]

Bet it's not hard to transpose that button to the bars. But, getting that to work while the wheels are rolling might be a bugger.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Ok I would love to be able to switch it on the go too! Now we just need to find someone smart enough to figure out a great way to move the switch to the handlebars and make it adjustable on the fly. I have faith in the smarter than me guys on this forum so get to it

I've put all three buttons on my bars... That's a GREAT mod, but being able to mess with the 'TC' while moving is in the ecm and a whole other story...

 

[tubebender]

Bet it's not hard to transpose that button to the bars.

You're right about that. It's been done --> http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=1783.0

We know we can switch the dash remotley, so, taking this a bit further. If someone could design a digital circut that would send a 1 or 2 pulse signal (this would simulate the button push) at power on, I'm sure they could sell a few. There would have to be a mechanical 3 positon switch to index witch pusle signal was sent as well as LEDs to remind the pilot what he has set.

As far as doing it on the fly, that would be harder. You'd have to identify what other signals (VSS, Wheel counts, Throttle position?) the ECU is looking at to satisfy the IF, THEN, ELSE logic.

 

[snakebitten]

Yep, I know the thread well. Like you, tubebender, I read it and wanted the solution. Unlike you, I'm obviously too lazy.

 

[pnwrider]

I agree this mod would be really cool, maybe even genuinely helpful.

Most of the time I leave the bike in TCS1 and T and find that I am a relaxed and happy commuter, but at times such as when I see the perfect frost heave or raised railroad crossing coming up that my subconscious takes over. I stand up a bit on the pegs, relax the throttle and switch into sport mode all before bring the RPM's up to 4,000, and shifting my weight back while I continue to roll on the throttle just as the front wheel transitions off of the top of the raised plateau...

I subconsciously expect the front wheel to rise off the ground creating that ever so satisfying transition where the rear wheel does all it can to catch up with the front and for a split second all is perfectly aligned in weightlessness before rear tire graciously brushes back down with earth followed by the rewarding sound as the front forks compress soaking up the slight force created at the front tire joins the rear before rocking off into the sunset.

Yet sadly it always ends the same, lean back, roll on the throttle, and the all knowing bike brain kills the dream before it could ever start, causing the front tire to only come off the ground for a sec before impacting the road at the most inopportune time ending the experience with a load BANG and CLUNK. If only I could have turned off the traction control.

Oh, also getting stuck in a stream crossing after everyone stops to take pictures and I forget to switch TC off after restarting the bike, that sucks too.

As tubebender expressed, I do think this may be possible, just need to send the ECU the correct signals it expects to see for it to allow TC modes to be switched. Could be as easy as sending the "I'm moving at zero velocity" signal along with the "I am supposed to switch the TC mode" signal when we push our newly wired handle bar switch for TC modes.

But I think just as important of a question is why Yamaha did not include this feature. Is there a chance that by changing these modes when moving it could cause something catastrophic to happen. Maybe the programs controlling the traction control need to calibrated when stopped.

Sorry about the ramble I guess I should get back to work...

-Ryan

 

[twinrider]

I agree this mod would be really cool, maybe even genuinely helpful.

But I think just as important of a question is why Yamaha did not include this feature. Is there a chance that by changing these modes when moving it could cause something catastrophic to happen. Maybe the programs controlling the traction control need to calibrated when stopped.

-Ryan

It would definitely be genuinely helpful, letting riders choose the optimal TC mode instantly to suit changing road conditions. Considering that Yamaha includes OTF switchability on the R1, I really doubt there was any compelling reason for them not to on the S10.

 

[Checkswrecks]

It would definitely be genuinely helpful, letting riders choose the optimal TC mode instantly to suit changing road conditions. Considering that Yamaha includes OTF switchability on the R1, I really doubt there was any compelling reason for them not to on the S10.

The fact that the company has it on one bike and not another is what confuses me, too. In the real world when it comes to small items like this, it probably was as simple as as Engineer Yoshi-san was responsible for the design of one bikes' system and Engineer Toshi-san did the other. Shouldn't be to hard for one of you enterprising guys to back engineer which inputs it involves.


I'd just be happy if it stayed where I left it when re-starting the bike.

 

[fredz43]

Yes, the R1 has something like 7 modes of TC that can be switched on the fly, but you still have to come to a stop to turn it off. Even being able to switch from TC1 to TC2 on the fly on the S10 would be helpful.

In looking at the updates on the 2014 S10, it sure seems like Yamaha had been reading this forum and addressed many of the items we have been whining about on our 2012 and 2013 models. Perhaps we should all start complaining about non switchable TC and then they'll update that on the 2015 model.

 

[Rasher]

I expect it can be re-programmed as part of an ECU Flash, I have seen these sorts of options on flashes for various other bikes. May be worth asking ECU-U if they could do this, or if FlashTune could add this to their product.

It probably comes down to if anyone with the capability sees it as worthwhile (i.e. will make them enough dollars to justify the effort)

 

[RED CAT]

Hey. My old 08 GS1200 had it. I think some of these manufactures get a little carried away with the safety aspect or what they perceive as safety. Its actually safer to be able to Shift on the Fly. Someone behind you may wonder why you are stopping in the middle of the road for no reason. Are we sure it isn't on the 2014? Rep I talked to said NO. I've been bitching about this since I bought the Tenere 2 years ago. Its my biggest bitch about the bike in general.

 

[avc8130]

I expect it can be re-programmed as part of an ECU Flash, I have seen these sorts of options on flashes for various other bikes. May be worth asking ECU-U if they could do this, or if FlashTune could add this to their product.

It probably comes down to if anyone with the capability sees it as worthwhile (i.e. will make them enough dollars to justify the effort)

I've been bugging Flash Tune to open the option. I was really just hoping for the ability to have the bike "remember" what mode it was in after shutdown. Even if I could just program it to ALWAYS turn on in TCS 2 I'd be happier.

If you guys want the option, make your voices heard.

sales@ftecu.com

ac

 

[scott123007]

I've been bugging Flash Tune to open the option. I was really just hoping for the ability to have the bike "remember" what mode it was in after shutdown. Even if I could just program it to ALWAYS turn on in TCS 2 I'd be happier.

If you guys want the option, make your voices heard.

sales@ftecu.com

ac

Hmmm, I want either TC1 or OFF. 1 for the street and OFF for off road, and for it to stay where I left it