Oil change gone bad... Help!

MikeBear

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I think I f@cked up. Last time I did oil change I over tighten drain plug. When I unscrewed it today a couple small pieces of metal came out looking like spring. What now? Retap different size thread? What size?
Any ideas?
BTW I put plug back in and tighten it a little. Started the bike and got RPMs to 5k. No leaks for now.
 

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What size do I need to get?
I know nothing about heli-coils and how it's done. I was thinking about retaping bigger size thread.
 

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I Have to agre with Jaxon on the helicoil approach. A tad on the 'project' side of things, but if thread metal came out, you might not get any warning before the plug unseats and spins, or pops out stranding you badly. When it's finished, it'll be just as strong (or stronger) than the original hole.
 

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MikeBear said:
What size do I need to get?
I know nothing about heli-coils and how it's done. I was thinking about retaping bigger size thread.
Ask at your local auto parts store or car repair shop for the name of a GOOD machine shop. Pay whatever they ask.
 

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My mechanic told me about "oil tite" and said it is cheapest way out. Anybody has any experience with those?
 

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You guys are crazy for considering cheeping out. Lol
The only way to fix the case properly is with a helicoil. Just speaking from personal experiences :). Lol
 

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Just take your current drain bolt to NAPA or PepBoys or some other auto parts store and tell them you need a helicoil kit. They should have the right size drill bit, a couple of coils and maybe even a new drain plug and washer all in one kit.
I agree with having a shop do it if it's out of your box comfort-wise. Of course, you could always practice on your neighbor's Harley first. . . . might not notice the difference in the leakage at all. . . but I jest.
Seriously, the coil is the standard way to go; it's not an exotic repair and is used commoy for drains, spark plugs and footpegs. I think you shouldn't compromise here.
 

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Did you check the threads within the case? Are they there? I would assume so if you were able to put the plug back in and run the motor.

Easiest way is to follow the directions for replacing your oil, as I do not think Yamaha just made numbers and direction up for tits and giggles. REPLACE your crush washer, and TORQUE to spec. I would also safety wire it to make sure the plug does not unscrew.

Cost:
Crush washer $0.99
Safety Wire $1.99

Not cheap, just the proper way to change your oil. ::016::

Helicoil is nice, but would be a PIA with the motor still in the bike.
 

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Please, add some insult to injury. I feel so smart right now, that I need somebody to bring me down a notch...
I guess there is always first time. I've been doing my oil changes for 18 years and never thought this would happen to me.
 

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napa has a heli coil system,

long ago, I did the same thing to one of my bikes, I NEVER tighten a oil plug the same now, I don't care what the torque values are.

the heli coil system works well, and I will send you my system to use, all you have to do is send it back with one less helicoil in the kit.

tap, tool and drill bit, plus the coil itself.

let me know size: M12X1.5
 

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Helicoil is the way to fix it. A proper kit comes with the drill bit, the tap, the insertion tool, and a few coils. I've never liked oversized plugs in aluminum, the stresses scare me a bit. I've done a bunch over the years, drain plugs, cam caps, waterpump, exhaust manifolds, and I've seen all the headbolts done on an Aurora. (don't buy one if you can help it) Once you get over the "I'm drilling a hole in my engine!" and "I need to run this tap in how far?" And "How does this insert tool thingy work?" It's a piece of cake. ::010::
I didn't watch the video, so this may be a repeat. Pointers: Run as much heavy grease into the flutes of the drill bit as will fit, it will catch the chips instead of going in the engine. Run the drill as slow as it takes to keep the grease from flinging off and don't force it. A new bit will catch on aluminum before you can stop it. Again with the grease on the Helicoil tap for the same reason. Work the tap a quarter turn at a time, then back a half, then forward again. Keeps the cutting edges clear. Spray cleaner, like a brake clean, needs to be used on the new threads. Caution, a lot of your carb cleaners are too hot, they lift paint. Yes, cleaner will wind up in the engine. Let the cleaned threads dry a few seconds. With the helicoil threaded onto the insert tool thingy, apply a good thredlocker, I use red, just because. Let the locker dry properly after you've inserted the new coil to the point it's flush with the surface. If the coil's cross bar is going to clear the new drain plug, leave it. If not, you're going to have to get fancy with some needlenose. Now, you probably have been doing all this with the bike laying over on it's right side, or wishing you had. But anyway, you need to flush the space that you just operated on. Pour some oil into the hole if the bike's on it's side, then stand it up and the fluid should carry any stray bits out. With the bike standing, or leaning left, you can spray the remainder of the brake clean into the hole and have it wash things out too. Lay the bike over to the left to carry as much of the various fluids out. The brake clean will mostly evaporate over an hour or so. You're gonna want to waste three and half quarts of cheap oil with an engine warm up and drain and then start all new again with filter and your choice of oil.
With the chemistry, and never having done one, it's gonna take some time. On a hoist, and short cuts, because it was just a damned oil change afterall, it's less than 15 minutes for me. In the end, you wind up with the same size hole as you started with. Pretty slick.
 

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yz454 said:
A good auto parts store will carry self tapping over sized drain plugs. Easy to use.
ARRRRRGH :mad: :mad: Never use these, only makes a minor screw-up a MAJOR one
Kuddos to Motocephalic for his offer. Use it and worry no more ::012::
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MikeBear said:
And so nothing like that happens again I will get qwikValve.
I'd be sure that your skidplate adequately protects the quick drain valve otherwise a minor drop might be even worse than stripping the drain plug...i've got them on my jeep and wife's escape and think they have a purpose, but i'm not sure if i'd put two of them on my s10.

love this place - kudos to motocephalic on his generosity.
 
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