New CCT rattle at 2000rpm Need HELP!!!.

[oKLRider]

Am I crazy, or is there a thread somewhere discussing the new/old CCTs...side by side?

They look about damn near identical, inside and out....?

 

[Toxic Mark]

In another thread, Carrot wrote the following...

"i won't be installing anymore manual cam chain tensioner they don't supply you with anything to block the oil passage the last one i did on my R6 i used JB weld and was always worried it might become loose and screw up the engine and its hard to tell if you have it adjusted right ."

What is he talking about?

 

[avc8130]

Am I crazy, or is there a thread somewhere discussing the new/old CCTs...side by side?

They look about damn near identical, inside and out....?

Where's the "inside" pics?

If you take them apart, you will see they ARE different. Better? No one knows.

I have had my 14 CCT in from 38k miles to the current 42k. I get the feeling that at the 52k valve adjustment I'll be swapping to a manual unit.

ac

 

[avc8130]

In another thread, Carrot wrote the following...

"i won't be installing anymore manual cam chain tensioner they don't supply you with anything to block the oil passage the last one i did on my R6 i used JB weld and was always worried it might become loose and screw up the engine and its hard to tell if you have it adjusted right ."

What is he talking about?

Nothing that anyone could figure out that matters. The stock CCT has a pressurized oil feed to provide damping. The manual one blocks this feed off.

ac

 

[carrot]

www.aperaceparts.com/tech/tensioners.html

 

[avc8130]

www.aperaceparts.com/tech/tensioners.html

I've spoken to those guys. They don't specifically offer a tensioner for the Super Tenere. They did point out that the Tenere CCT gasket is the same PN as the R1 so they believe their R1 CCT will fit the Tenere.

ac

 

[Ramseybella]

Looks like it, it looks exactly like the one I bought off Ebay for $54.00..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=mpc_Ow5gWis#t=79

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-2009-R1-APE-YTR1-09-Manual-Cam-Chain-Tensioner-/250584588702?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a5801619e&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-12-13-YAMAHA-SUPER-TENERE-XTZ12-MANUAL-CAM-CHAIN-TENSIONER-RED-YTR1-09-/141042447192?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item20d6c8f358&vxp=mtr

 

[carrot]

so Ramseybella does the instruction that came with the tct say to block off the oil supply hole and if so how did you block yours

 

[oKLRider]

Where's the "inside" pics?

If you take them apart, you will see they ARE different. Better? No one knows.

I have had my 14 CCT in from 38k miles to the current 42k. I get the feeling that at the 52k valve adjustment I'll be swapping to a manual unit.

ac

Effed up and forgot to take inside pics before installing.

Dunno if it's just from a reset, or the magical '14 version, but mine didn't rattle rattle rattle after test fire once it was all back together.

 

[Ramseybella]

so Ramseybella does the instruction that came with the tct say to block off the oil supply hole and if so how did you block yours

It has not been installed yet It comes with a gasket that seals the oil channel hole, I don't foresee it being an issue.

 

[carrot]

The gasket has nothing to do with the oil supply hole it just seals the mating surface between the engine and timing chain tensioner. what does the instructions say that came with the tensioner.

 

[avc8130]

The gasket has nothing to do with the oil supply hole it just seals the mating surface between the engine and timing chain tensioner. what does the instructions say that came with the tensioner.

Install the tensioner. There is nothing to do with the oil hole. The tensioner covers the hole. The gasket seals it so it doesn't leak.

Why so complicated?

ac

 

[greg the pole]

what AC said.

I've installed two of these with no issues.
mine has 5km on it now, and works great.

top tip: replace the right hand side allen bolt with a 10mm head bolt, for easy peasy access and removal.

 

[carrot]

sorry just watched a video about installing a tct on a 2009 R1 and you are right about the oil supply hole is under the gasket i was thinking my 2007 R6 tct would be about the same design but i was wrong on the R6 the oil supply hole was lower so the gasket didn't block the oil off so i had to find another way to block it off.

 

[jimmy z]

Any one know the recommended interval on retensioning manual C.C.T..Thanks,Jim

 

[Toxic Mark]

Crap. I guess screw it and ride. I ordered the new CCT and installed it just as these posts about the new CCT making noise started coming out.

Yes, I ordered a manual CCT, but I'm just going to leave it as is until it starts making funny noises and then change it to the manual. If it never makes a noise...fine. If it does, it's not like it's horrifically difficult to change the CCT.

Just so I have an idea of when to start keeping an ear out, for those that are hearing noise with their new CCT about how many miles did you have on the new CCT before it started making the noise?

 

[Ramseybella]

Mine apparently Pooped right out of the shoot!!
We will see what it looks like when it gets replaced..
I am about to blow my brains out not riding... ::010:: ::010:: ::010::

 

[Don in Lodi]

Crap. I guess screw it and ride. I ordered the new CCT and installed it just as these posts about the new CCT making noise started coming out.

Yes, I ordered a manual CCT, but I'm just going to leave it as is until it starts making funny noises and then change it to the manual. If it never makes a noise...fine. If it does, it's not like it's horrifically difficult to change the CCT.

Just so I have an idea of when to start keeping an ear out, for those that are hearing noise with their new CCT about how many miles did you have on the new CCT before it started making the noise?

My new '14 tensioner gave me silence... well, no loud random clatter on start up. It was perfect for a couple hundred miles when the off idle clatter started up. The same loud random clatter I used to have at start up. Now it's steady as long as you hold that rpm. Comes on when warmed up, silent till then.

 

[dcstrom]

Well this is annoying to here about these noises coming from the '14 tensioner. Mine has 5000 miles on it now, totally cured the startup noise, and no weird off-idle rattles that I can discern just yet.

Question: if this is a problem with the tensioner, why have there been no reports (that I have seen) of the 2014's with this noise? Might mean it's something to do with the way it's installed? Mine was done by a tech at Yamaha Motor France, I expect he's pretty experienced with Yamaha tensioners... maybe that's why mine is not noisy. He DID mention he did my valve clearances (just for the hell of it? there was only 2 incorrect, and they were just barely out of spec), which means he pulled the cams to install the tensioner. I have no clue how this might make a difference, I haven't been in there myself.

 

[Koinz]

Well this is annoying to here about these noises coming from the '14 tensioner. Mine has 5000 miles on it now, totally cured the startup noise, and no weird off-idle rattles that I can discern just yet.

Question: if this is a problem with the tensioner, why have there been no reports (that I have seen) of the 2014's with this noise? Might mean it's something to do with the way it's installed? Mine was done by a tech at Yamaha Motor France, I expect he's pretty experienced with Yamaha tensioners... maybe that's why mine is not noisy. He DID mention he did my valve clearances (just for the hell of it? there was only 2 incorrect, and they were just barely out of spec), which means he pulled the cams to install the tensioner. I have no clue how this might make a difference, I haven't been in there myself.

Great Question. Mine was updated under YES Warranty. No Startup Clacking any more, but the engine itself is pretty noisy to start with. Is it noticeably quieter with a Manual CCT?
I will probably stay with the OEM tensioner until the YES Warranty expires, but I am debating whether I should get a manual one to throw in the parts bin?