Motorcyclist on the Super T
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Now I have looked at it, I was mixing two mags into one. like a magazine salad.twinrider said:
Trailzone killed the GS and posted a pic on facebook.
and Australisian Dirt Rider chose the S10 over the GS for a ring in.
Sorry about that, very un-professional of me.
No worries, a quick scan of the articles and all is forgiven.GrahamD said:Now I have looked at it, I was mixing two mags into one. like a magazine salad.
Trailzone killed the GS and posted a pic on facebook.
and Australisian Dirt Rider chose the S10 over the GS for a ring in.
Sorry about that, very un-professional of me.
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Motorcycle magazines are useful to help pass the time while in the bathroom. Like the other paper product in that room, its value goes to zero after the flush.
I like my Tenere. For me, it's one of the best, if not the best bike I've ever owned in my nearly 40 years of riding. If the mags don't like it, why would I let that bother me. They almost never like what I like.
I like my Tenere. For me, it's one of the best, if not the best bike I've ever owned in my nearly 40 years of riding. If the mags don't like it, why would I let that bother me. They almost never like what I like.
They should publish long term ownership results. The only Mag I trust is Motor Cycle Consumers News. They provide very good reviews and opinions of bikes tested.
They tested the new Moto Guzzi Cruiser and gave it a mixed review, another mag said it was great and loved it. I think I am in the first camp.
Motorcyclist is so bad at trashing bikes and unfair comparisons based upon the ad revenue.
They tested the new Moto Guzzi Cruiser and gave it a mixed review, another mag said it was great and loved it. I think I am in the first camp.
Motorcyclist is so bad at trashing bikes and unfair comparisons based upon the ad revenue.
I'm sure of Yamaha bought a two page spread in the magazine the S10 would be voted best adventure bike of the year....
Reviews are ok to start but if you really want to know the ins and outs of the bike go to forums like this one.
Reviews are ok to start but if you really want to know the ins and outs of the bike go to forums like this one.
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And now Cycle World is owned by the same group. Don't you like teir "new look"? ::002::
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Like has already been mentioned, the only magazine I read anymore for reviews is "Motorcycle Consumer News", and the only two I subscribe to are it and "RoadRunner Motorcycle Touring & Travel." The rest are pretty much worthless pieces of ad pap, mostly full of mindless drivel. The only reason I could find to even look at a copy of "Cycle World" the past few years are the monthly column and technical/race articles by Kevin Cameron. IMHO he may be the very best technical writer in the business, but now that you can access his stuff online the only time I pick up a "Cycle World" is if I have to wait in a long line at the grocery store.
And I hate the "new look" at "Cycle World"... ::010:: Whomever dreamed that up was somehow abused as a child.
As for "Motorcyclist", it has well and truly sank to the very Marianas bottom of the literary world. The only reason to ever buy it would be if you parakeet liked to look at motorcycle ad pictures. The content is now aimed at two-digit IQ squid stunter types, the writing that tries so hard to be hip only succeeds in being convoluted and banal at the same time, and the article page count keeps going down while the ad page count keeps going up. It's worthless, and the last I heard is that the new owners are going to slowly phase it out and marry it up with "Cycle World", which can only make both titles worse.
More and more these days, IMHO, your best resource for info about motorcycles is online. The only thing holding up the print mags now is how clunky some internet motorcycle sites are. As though get better ad revenue for the printed mags will dwindle, and most will fizzle out and die. In today's digital world most of the print mag's content is so dated it's almost ancient, and their space for anything in-depth is cramped. Digital reporting is almost real-time, so things like race reporting in print mags is pretty useless. If they want to survive in print they'll have to adopt "Motorcycle Consumer News'" subscription-only model, and that will force them to become more objective and "real world" in their reviewing approach. If they want to make the move to digital then they would be better off to follow the lead of somebody like "Cycle News", who went all-in on digital, and scrapped the print media altogether, instead relying on free access to the reader as a weekly, and depending entirely on ad revenue for income. The advantage this gives is it allows them to be more timely, carry more content in relation to the ad space, and maintain diversity. Sure, their bike reviews would still be colored by ad revenue, but I don't read "Cycle News" for the reviews.
I don't think a magazine has influenced a motorcycle purchase of mine since the 1970's or early '80's, so I could care less what some hack at a moto-monthly has to say about any bike I'm interested in.
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Like has already been mentioned, the only magazine I read anymore for reviews is "Motorcycle Consumer News", and the only two I subscribe to are it and "RoadRunner Motorcycle Touring & Travel." The rest are pretty much worthless pieces of ad pap, mostly full of mindless drivel. The only reason I could find to even look at a copy of "Cycle World" the past few years are the monthly column and technical/race articles by Kevin Cameron. IMHO he may be the very best technical writer in the business, but now that you can access his stuff online the only time I pick up a "Cycle World" is if I have to wait in a long line at the grocery store.
And I hate the "new look" at "Cycle World"... ::010:: Whomever dreamed that up was somehow abused as a child.
As for "Motorcyclist", it has well and truly sank to the very Marianas bottom of the literary world. The only reason to ever buy it would be if you parakeet liked to look at motorcycle ad pictures. The content is now aimed at two-digit IQ squid stunter types, the writing that tries so hard to be hip only succeeds in being convoluted and banal at the same time, and the article page count keeps going down while the ad page count keeps going up. It's worthless, and the last I heard is that the new owners are going to slowly phase it out and marry it up with "Cycle World", which can only make both titles worse.
More and more these days, IMHO, your best resource for info about motorcycles is online. The only thing holding up the print mags now is how clunky some internet motorcycle sites are. As though get better ad revenue for the printed mags will dwindle, and most will fizzle out and die. In today's digital world most of the print mag's content is so dated it's almost ancient, and their space for anything in-depth is cramped. Digital reporting is almost real-time, so things like race reporting in print mags is pretty useless. If they want to survive in print they'll have to adopt "Motorcycle Consumer News'" subscription-only model, and that will force them to become more objective and "real world" in their reviewing approach. If they want to make the move to digital then they would be better off to follow the lead of somebody like "Cycle News", who went all-in on digital, and scrapped the print media altogether, instead relying on free access to the reader as a weekly, and depending entirely on ad revenue for income. The advantage this gives is it allows them to be more timely, carry more content in relation to the ad space, and maintain diversity. Sure, their bike reviews would still be colored by ad revenue, but I don't read "Cycle News" for the reviews.
I don't think a magazine has influenced a motorcycle purchase of mine since the 1970's or early '80's, so I could care less what some hack at a moto-monthly has to say about any bike I'm interested in.
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It was a sad and pathetic article if you were looking for apples/apples objective comparison. If somebody flew me to Europe to ride a whole bunch of new bikes and they gave me a Tenere that was missing spokes and had a leaking shock, I wouldn't ride it. Look at how they identified the intended "ADV" audience in terms of well heeled consumers at the high end luxury experience of motorcyling; is it any surprise that this group would pick the latest/greatest as their favorite for a 5 day test. I'm sure I'd rather ride a new GS for 5 days than my Tenere too. But I didn't buy the Tenere for the whizz bang features that will probably cost me a fortune in a few years. What, I wonder, does ESA cost to replace after 40,000 miles of hard use? I'm fully satisfied with my bike (especially two days into the new ECU Flash) and it's still a cool $5000 cheaper than a new BMW or Duc.
I don't disagree with them in saying riding any one of them by themselves you would think any of them is great bike, but right next to the newest and latest that have been upgraded or are new,that the Tenere is lacking, it is getting a bit long in the tooth in comparison. That said I love mine and will be keeping it a long time.
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:question: Really? Any chance did you come from a sport bike background where bikes are updated every other year? I've seen this long in the tooth comment before and it always strikes me as interesting. From my past experience the update cycle on dual sports is measured in decades, the KLR, V-Stroms. There's always stuff the owners would like them to have, but takes a very long time to happen. I do realize the more European brands have more wiz bang soon to break stuff installed, but that doesn't necessarily go along with the Yamaha build to last forever philosophy.terryth said:
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the last R1200gs ran 2010-2013 without changes. Damn yamaha, all long in the tooth and stuff
Mine is farkled to perfection.
I consider all the current lineup bikes in OEM configuration as long in the tooth.
When are they gonna catch up to my XT1200ZR? Lol
I consider all the current lineup bikes in OEM configuration as long in the tooth.
When are they gonna catch up to my XT1200ZR? Lol
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I totally agree, and wrote Motorcyclist similar sentiments this morning. And does anyone who actually use an adv bike off road keep it stock? No - they farkle it and get rid of any weaknesses. Stock bike comparisons, when the price differences approach $6 - $7 K are not valid.snakebitten said:
Take a Tenere, put better suspension on it, along with a Rumbux setup, ABS off switch, and a re-flash, then ride it OFF ROAD for a few days, and see where it fits in. It will still be thousands less than the BMW and KTM, and will be in the running for top spot.
Oh, BTW, NO ONE can use 150 hp on a gravel road.
I agree. The nice thing about an S10 is Yamaha got most of it right and the rest can be fixed for a relatively small amount of cash. For me, the only must-fix items were the ECU, bar-risers and the seat. I don't even mind the stock suspension, it will be replaced someday when it's tired...
The things you can't fix on any bike are reliability and maintenance intervals. So owners of the class "leaders" will need to have their wallets ready.
The things you can't fix on any bike are reliability and maintenance intervals. So owners of the class "leaders" will need to have their wallets ready.