Anyone else get their new MC issue? Included is an alps ride and semi-comparo of all of the current ADV bikes. Our girl took it hard. I personally could give a tiny turd what anyone else thinks of the bike. I've ridden almost every option out there and bought my bike on purpose because I love it. I was just suprised to see them give it such a beating. I was also suprised that Yamaha would allow a press bike to go out for a review in the condition the magazine describes.
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Their loss. If it starts getting great reviews, then all the riff raff will want to own one. Nobody wants that. ::025:: Enjoy the bike and try to muster a bit of sympathy for those who don't own one. They'll figure it out one day. R. ::003::
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what REM said ^^^up there^^^
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I read the article last night. I have also ridden the area they were in 2 up on an R1150RT several years ago. I can see where some of their comments came from, especially from those that rode the bike 2 up. It had a bent front wheel and the suspension was leaking. How well do the think bike worked?
On the pass roads with lots and lots of low speed switch backs the bike spends a lot of time in the lower 3 gears on and off the throttle. The stock bikes power restrictions and surging would really suck on a pass road like Stelvio with 40+ switchbacks to the top. I believe the opinions wouldn't have been so negative if the testers were riding a bike with a Flashed ECU and a non leaking suspension. It would be like riding a whole different bike on these types of roads.
On the pass roads with lots and lots of low speed switch backs the bike spends a lot of time in the lower 3 gears on and off the throttle. The stock bikes power restrictions and surging would really suck on a pass road like Stelvio with 40+ switchbacks to the top. I believe the opinions wouldn't have been so negative if the testers were riding a bike with a Flashed ECU and a non leaking suspension. It would be like riding a whole different bike on these types of roads.
Just come back from 2 weeks on these roads, my bike was spot-on, but without the Flash the low gear restrictions would have killed it dead, so many corners are taken at low revs in 1st - 3rd.simmons1 said:
Two up the OE suspension would struggle even without the leak, my stiffer sprung, much better damped Wilburs with far more pre-load was spot on, but bog stock I could see the bike wallowing and decking out with little provocation.
Much as I love the S10, especially with the mods I have done, Yamaha should never have restricted the 1st 3 gears, especially on this type of bike, and a better damped / sprung shock would not have really cost them much, this bikes failings to appeal to the press have had a lot to do with a couple of small (but easily avoided) mistakes by Yamaha, and the biggest S10 fans around have predominantly upgraded suspension and had a Flash - such a bike would get a much better review - which is where sales are generated.
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And don't be surprised if that's not exactly the kind of incremental upgrade the Super Tenere will get whenever Yamaha decides to do "Generation II" update one of these years.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself.Rasher said:
If everyone just stopped caring about someone else opinion, we would have a much better reality. That means stop reading papers, magazines and watching TV. All of those promote inactivity anyway and just stir shit up.
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autoteach
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Ok, this is frustrating for me to say, but I have taught students to build motorcycles, and those motorcycles were ridden by one of the clowns at Motorcyclist magazine. How the hell anyone can sum up the handling of a motorcycle with blown shock and forks is beyond me. They even say they factored this in?! Remember when charlie and ewan went to africa. There bikes were unridable with a blown shock. hmmm, yeah, this piece of shit rides like a piece of shit. Looks like someone should go back to Super Street magazine.
FlaDave
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Just got my issue of MC today.
My question is why would Yamaha send a bike with blown shocks, a bent rim
and missing spokes to a comparo ride of Adv class bikes like this?
You think the Edelweiss customer riders were upset to go all the way
to the EU and pay to ride a beat up press bike? I know I'd be.
My question is why would Yamaha send a bike with blown shocks, a bent rim
and missing spokes to a comparo ride of Adv class bikes like this?
You think the Edelweiss customer riders were upset to go all the way
to the EU and pay to ride a beat up press bike? I know I'd be.
Embarrassing.
I've become immune to the typical comments the Tenere receives in reviews like this. Mostly because I can justify that they are not warranted. But it stings a bit to have a ragged example of this fine Beast put up as a representative.
Sad.
I've become immune to the typical comments the Tenere receives in reviews like this. Mostly because I can justify that they are not warranted. But it stings a bit to have a ragged example of this fine Beast put up as a representative.
Sad.
snuffcityrider
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Guess I'm an idiot cause I've never bought a bike based on a moto mag review. I do some research on forums and then go buy what I like and blindly go off and enjoy it and that's worked pretty good so far....Gotta go now, time to register on a Hayabusa forum :-\
They writers are just press after all with an eye to advertising revenue therefore the latest greatest baddest wins. I had a Honda Blackbird and it was the muther of all bikes when I got it and the press were all over it big bad and only the hardest of riders should go there same for the ZZR1100 before it then next year along comes the Hyperbus and suddenly the same guys have it as a tourer nothing had changes other than the word processing package they were using. Therefore if its not this years model fresh from the factory design board its an also ran for comparison. I no longer get any bike magazines for the same reason.
Red dust
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I believe you need longer time with a machine than the bike journalists are allocated, once there is a bond you appreciate the bike a lot more. I`m very surprised that this bike just continue to improve and impress.
All I see is this.
I know YAMAHA spent a lot of time on this bike in Africa and Sweden riding it through extremes. They spent that time obviously to make sure the bike was as dependable and safe as possible for the long haul in the real world and that the technology it had worked well in the real world.
This is not what gets reviewers excited. This is not really what people want in the alps. This is what people who do big trips over all kinds of roads and conditions want and if you do that you begin to appreciate how well sorted it is for that kind of stuff. The bike is what the advertising says it is.
What it seems reviewers OR any short termers, including test riders, want is a buzz. A Megamoto. They don't care about longevity, they don't care about the availability of premium fuel, They don't care whether you are drained and buggered after 5 hours.
So as far as I can see, if it ticks the Adventure bike boxes, IE two cylinders, 19 or 21 inch front crash bars and "stuff" then it's an Adventure bike.
What YAMAHA may heave to do is chase that. It will mean that for people doing real RTW stuff and liviing in the real world it may be less than optimal but they will never know anyway. The compromises YAMAHA has made have been pretty much derided in the press, with the big exception of those that either come from a dirt background OR those that tried it on extended dirt trips, but it appears that the focus has seriously shifted to designing a bike as a road bike first and then applying technology to make it easier in the dirt.
Case in point being BMW that is getting so nervous that a steering damper is now going to be fitted as standard. (bandaid)
It's now running 12.5:1 compression and no one in a review has mentioned how it or the KTM cope on regular gas on a hot day.
It may cope OK, but no one has actually tested that. I only have to go 500km to be stuck with regular as my only choice.
Few seem to load up these things and bash them over wash board for 500km on a hot day running regular gas. Any big trip I do involves just that.
So most of these reviews seem to place emphasis on the things that are either irrelevant to me or down on my priority list.
But on the other hand this, it seems, is not want the majority want anyway especially in Europe.
South Africans, Australians and Americans may appreciate the compromises YAMAHA have bought to the table but that is all.
So it has been great to see a manufacture make a robust "KTM for the rest of us". Those days may be numbered. It will be megamoto city in a few years as the bikes are pushed outside the realm of everyday users just like the Supersports.
The last Australian test had the new GS come back on a truck of course, with a deflated tire due to a severely bent rim AND a hole in the radiator.
Another reason why they took an S10 with them as a camera bike and as a ring in on a dirt test. It tends to survive better, not always just more likely to survive punishment. Even they had to concede that while the S10 is the bike THEY would choose, in this new segment it pays to have gadgets and power as that is the way it is going as to what these bikes are being judged on.
The fact that YAMAHA can't get their shit together with a properly prepared review bike is just crap and squarely rests on YAMAHA being less than professional ASSUMING they were actually involved. It's the kind if thing that makes you wonder whether it was actually a trade in supplied by a BMW of KTM dealer with vested interests. It is also one of those things that I thought a Mag would refuse on the grounds that it was an unfair comparison. A properly prepared bike is just the basics in marketing. If they didnlt have one they should have just said something like "Too much demand, We don't have a spare at the moment"
I know YAMAHA spent a lot of time on this bike in Africa and Sweden riding it through extremes. They spent that time obviously to make sure the bike was as dependable and safe as possible for the long haul in the real world and that the technology it had worked well in the real world.
This is not what gets reviewers excited. This is not really what people want in the alps. This is what people who do big trips over all kinds of roads and conditions want and if you do that you begin to appreciate how well sorted it is for that kind of stuff. The bike is what the advertising says it is.
What it seems reviewers OR any short termers, including test riders, want is a buzz. A Megamoto. They don't care about longevity, they don't care about the availability of premium fuel, They don't care whether you are drained and buggered after 5 hours.
So as far as I can see, if it ticks the Adventure bike boxes, IE two cylinders, 19 or 21 inch front crash bars and "stuff" then it's an Adventure bike.
What YAMAHA may heave to do is chase that. It will mean that for people doing real RTW stuff and liviing in the real world it may be less than optimal but they will never know anyway. The compromises YAMAHA has made have been pretty much derided in the press, with the big exception of those that either come from a dirt background OR those that tried it on extended dirt trips, but it appears that the focus has seriously shifted to designing a bike as a road bike first and then applying technology to make it easier in the dirt.
Case in point being BMW that is getting so nervous that a steering damper is now going to be fitted as standard. (bandaid)
It's now running 12.5:1 compression and no one in a review has mentioned how it or the KTM cope on regular gas on a hot day.
It may cope OK, but no one has actually tested that. I only have to go 500km to be stuck with regular as my only choice.
Few seem to load up these things and bash them over wash board for 500km on a hot day running regular gas. Any big trip I do involves just that.
So most of these reviews seem to place emphasis on the things that are either irrelevant to me or down on my priority list.
But on the other hand this, it seems, is not want the majority want anyway especially in Europe.
South Africans, Australians and Americans may appreciate the compromises YAMAHA have bought to the table but that is all.
So it has been great to see a manufacture make a robust "KTM for the rest of us". Those days may be numbered. It will be megamoto city in a few years as the bikes are pushed outside the realm of everyday users just like the Supersports.
The last Australian test had the new GS come back on a truck of course, with a deflated tire due to a severely bent rim AND a hole in the radiator.
Another reason why they took an S10 with them as a camera bike and as a ring in on a dirt test. It tends to survive better, not always just more likely to survive punishment. Even they had to concede that while the S10 is the bike THEY would choose, in this new segment it pays to have gadgets and power as that is the way it is going as to what these bikes are being judged on.
The fact that YAMAHA can't get their shit together with a properly prepared review bike is just crap and squarely rests on YAMAHA being less than professional ASSUMING they were actually involved. It's the kind if thing that makes you wonder whether it was actually a trade in supplied by a BMW of KTM dealer with vested interests. It is also one of those things that I thought a Mag would refuse on the grounds that it was an unfair comparison. A properly prepared bike is just the basics in marketing. If they didnlt have one they should have just said something like "Too much demand, We don't have a spare at the moment"
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Gee. Cycle World magazine voted it Adventure Bike of The Year, last year. ::025::
I know. And they also had a good spread of off/on road use. Our local dirt bike mags rate it highly as well, often above everything else, BUT there is so much road rider stuff out there that takes a different view.RED CAT said:
You may misunderstand what I am saying. I am not bagging the bike as I think it is exactly what this style of bike should be. I have had the same experience in my own life as well manufacturing other kinds of stuff. It all seems very familiar. ;D
I'm a huge defender of the Tenere. I think for the "full adventure bike mission" statement, it represents the greatest achievement by human manufacturing thus far. Period.
But, I AM willing to concede that if you pare down that same "full adventure bike mission" to only Tarmac, or even Tarmac with an occasional gravel grade off-road excursion, there are other bikes in the current watered down genre that can out perform it.
In other words, with street tires, and no need for concern of anything more than some crappy chip-n-seal, the more street oriented competition does have advantages.
So in that scenario, those pretend adventure test results that drive us nuts actually are far more valid.
Face it. The folks that DO hold the Tenere in such high esteem are the minority, simply because the way they actually use (or intend to use) the bike is also outside the norm.
Go riding with a group of Teneres led by Jaxon, Tall Gears, Karson, eemsreno, and a few others. And bring that Triumph, or even a GS! Let's meet back at camp that night and debrief.
But, I AM willing to concede that if you pare down that same "full adventure bike mission" to only Tarmac, or even Tarmac with an occasional gravel grade off-road excursion, there are other bikes in the current watered down genre that can out perform it.
In other words, with street tires, and no need for concern of anything more than some crappy chip-n-seal, the more street oriented competition does have advantages.
So in that scenario, those pretend adventure test results that drive us nuts actually are far more valid.
Face it. The folks that DO hold the Tenere in such high esteem are the minority, simply because the way they actually use (or intend to use) the bike is also outside the norm.
Go riding with a group of Teneres led by Jaxon, Tall Gears, Karson, eemsreno, and a few others. And bring that Triumph, or even a GS! Let's meet back at camp that night and debrief.
WRW9751
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The Tenere that was provided to them by there own admission had been abused, spokes missing ect.
I have always been suspect of most of the rags, due to add budget, how the manufacturers treat the publication on any given product or project. We, who own them (Teneres) and deal with them on any day know!
There will always be a better mouse trap or upgrade. If my budget (magazine) were relying on that company for future moneys, it would be a tight rope at best. Market shares, product availability, ect.
Know what you know!
But stay curious! Don't fall into the (I bought it there for it must be the Best)!
Keep a open mind!
For now the Tenere is the Best Bang for the Buck out there!
IMHO
Just ordered my second set of Heidenau's from Jaxon!
Many Thanks Jaxon for what you've done for this bike and this forum!
We both are better off!
Wayne
I have always been suspect of most of the rags, due to add budget, how the manufacturers treat the publication on any given product or project. We, who own them (Teneres) and deal with them on any day know!
There will always be a better mouse trap or upgrade. If my budget (magazine) were relying on that company for future moneys, it would be a tight rope at best. Market shares, product availability, ect.
Know what you know!
But stay curious! Don't fall into the (I bought it there for it must be the Best)!
Keep a open mind!
For now the Tenere is the Best Bang for the Buck out there!
IMHO
Just ordered my second set of Heidenau's from Jaxon!
Many Thanks Jaxon for what you've done for this bike and this forum!
We both are better off!
Wayne