Motorcycle news video longterm report

[stevemac]

MCN long term report on the s10.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/videos/2011/December/dec0811-video-yamaha-xtz1200-super-tenere-long-term-review/

 

[Tremor38]

Typical Pom. He rides around on WET roads, but declares TCS on a 100hp bike "unecessary," then he bags on its 'power' as having no 'character' because it doesn't have sportbike-like power delivery. Guess one could figure out he was setting up for a final trashing of the non 1200cc-like power when he said "it's nah-uh-spoat bike, but blaah, blaah, blaah me luke warm evaluation in the twisties is an excellent first dagger, BLAH! Then, there he goes bagging on the lack of ABS off SW after dabbling a bit in an obviously very foreign to him gravel covered environment. At least he could have stretched the truth by saying he was on a very steep decline to at least sound credible. :-\

 

[X5]

Nice find OP.

I am glad I read Tremor's reply first because I was prepared for a lashing review.

All in all, I was pleased with most of his review. I wonder if they knew about the first few gear engine output castration?

Its awful safe and easy to drink the BMW koolaide for these guys that feed their families by what they say and write.

 

[Poohbear]

To be honest most bikers in the UK wouldn't wipe their arse on MCN so not surprise that the report is b****cks!

 

[Brntrt]

Nothing new here, its the same old dribble. This is an adventure touring machine and must capable of being ridden multisurface tracks. There are compromises made to achieve this end. Off road reviewers complain about weight, for street riders its the power. My humble opionion is this bike does everything well and doesn't really excell anywhere. It remind me alot of the best selling adventure bike of all time, the KLR, a very refined KLR with more power, brakes and comfort, Nuff said. ::009::

 

[spasm]

i saw this earlier today, was gonna post it u beat me to it lol ::022::

 

[CREnorth]

Nothing new here, its the same old dribble. This is an adventure touring machine and must capable of being ridden multisurface tracks. There are compromises made to achieve this end. Off road reviewers complain about weight, for street riders its the power. My humble opionion is this bike does everything well and doesn't really excell anywhere. It remind me alot of the best selling adventure bike of all time, the KLR, a very refined KLR with more power, brakes and comfort, Nuff said. ::009::

Yep, that sounds about right to me. For me one area the S10 does excell at is it's ability to go long distance, even better than the FJR. imho.

 

[spasm]

Ive cured that problem, with a power commander v, auto tune, arrow full exhaust system, and I'm sending my ecu off soon to have all the restrictions taken off, my xt1200z absolutely flies now, fighting to keep the front wheel down, and the suspension is fully adjustable, I've set mine up and i can keep with all my biker mates on sport bikes easily and better on twistys

 

[dcstrom]

Cycle Canada have a comparo posted - Multi/Tenere/GSA

http://youtu.be/sZ8TN_CwBPg

 

[limey]

Typical Pom.



Just wondering Tremor38 what is a typical Pom?

 

[GrahamD]

Just wondering Tremor38 what is a typical Pom?

At 9:25 is the answer. (Two Wheels SA)

Yamaha Super Tenere

Cheers
Graham

 

[GrahamD]

I didn't know that the Tenere turned Orange in the cold?

Hypercolor Tenere? ::025::

 

[Venture]

At 9:25 is the answer. (Two Wheels SA)

Cheers
Graham

That was funny. "They're afraid to ride a bike across a field, much less all the way to Swaziland."

 

[dcstrom]

That was funny. "They're afraid to ride a bike across a field, much less all the way to Swaziland."

you left out "bloody wimps!"

apologies to our British friends who AREN'T afraid to ride a bike across a field ::025::

 

[GrahamD]

Having justed watched the blue man with the orange Tenere, There are a couple of things I find interesting.

OK this is his opinion, but he complains about driver aids being over the top, so where does that put the Multistrada OR GS?

Why aren't they over the top. The only person I have seen that dumped on the Multi "operating system" a bit was an Aussie reviewer who sent it up a bit.

I have read a few reviews about the new V-Strom and no one mentions the non Switchable ABS? Is that because it's not directly competing with the GS?

I have see a few Vstrom owners try and explain to the BMW folk that it is really not that necessary and got bagged out as well even after posting a video of him trying to stop the bike on dirt unsuccessfully manually faster than the ABS.

Me thinks that there may be a bit of "Oh Shit" that has been trained into some of these dudes by the "character" of BMW ABS systems over the years.

There is a mottorad vid about differing European and Japanese approaches to ABS and you can clearly see how stable the Japs are as opposed to the European bikes.

I bet the Euro bikes stop slightly quicker but at the expense of some rear wheel instability.

Someone translated it and they reckon the Honda Fireblade is the benchmark

Motorrad-ABS-Systeme im Test

 

[switchback]

I found the MCN review spot on. Couldn't have said it better. As for the Metal mules, perhaps someone needs to send him a set of Micatechs.

 

[Tremor38]

Typical Pom.



Just wondering Tremor38 what is a typical Pom?

I was a bit disorganized and not clear enough in the OP, but it was totally in the context of having a non-dirt based paradigm. All a bit tongue-n-cheek, but the video posted later-on was exactly what entered my mind when I wrote that. Stopping on gravel by just squeezing the front brake is a unigue strength of the ABS on this bike...it's just counter intuitive, so it takes getting comfortable with...but if one is alergic to any surface that isn't tarmac or cement, one might not stay in the gravel long enough to his or herself with that. ;D Also, bagging on TCS without factoring in that part of reason it is on the bike might be to make the machine safer off-road further supports the dirt ignorant angle.... Basically I chose that direction rather than just having conspiracy theorys regarding advertising money from BMW, Ducati and Triumph. ::002::

 

[Rasher]

I thought the review seemed OK, I would agree with the comments on the engine, it is just too smooth and efficient, on paper probably perfect, but things like the GS and MTS "feel" nicer - nothing a Diapson map won't sort out.

Dunno why he complained about the TC, the BMW's are similar power and have TC as an option, and it is really crap, either on or off and when it cuts in it is like someone is turning the key on / off at about 2 Hz, the Tenere's TC works far better, and if he thinks it ain't needed on a bike with "just" 100BHP perhaps he should try controlling the bike full throttle on a wet and greasy roundabout.

You could argue why use full throttle in such conditions - well with that argument no bike needs traction control, my ZZR1400 did not have any TC and despite its 190BHP I never managed to lose control, mainly because I rode according to conditions, but on almost any bike it is a bonus to have as road conditions can very massively from one inch of tarmac to another and it is nice to know if you come across some diesel on a wet road the bike will help you out a little.

The other thing with pretty much any UK rag is they don't use these bikes like most owners, you won't find them going to the Alps / Pyrenees for a couple of weeks, riding them two-up or taking them down bumpy lanes - they just tend to ride them on main roads and race tracks at full bore.

 

[big dave]

Why oh why do we all get so inflammed about reviews of our bikes that don't match our opinions ?

Doesn't matter what bike you ride, I'm also a member of a TDM site and people on there are getting all flustered about current web based article.

Bottom line is I like and thoroughly enjoy riding both my TDM and my S10. I couldn't care a flying f*ck what other peoples opinions are. They choose not to ride bikes like mine and I choose not to ride bikes like theirs.

I sometimes wonder if those naysayers are worried that they may have personally made a wrong choice of bike and criticise others as a way of self delusion and self support.

I agree that a bit of cross manufacturer banter can be humerous (S10 vs BMW)

But please let's all not get all anal about the opinion of others.

BD

 

[Scoop47501]

Ahh, Finally a post that makes perfect sense.
I purchase for me and no one else except my wife.
Reviews are interesting to read sometimes but not even worth what you pay for it.

Like my long passed father used to say , "Everybody is stupid but you and me and I'm not too sure about you".
Later
Scooper