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MCN hate Yamaha, go back in some of their previous tests, Yamaha very rarely rates above 3 out of 5, I stopped buying it, totally biased S----e
 

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A month ago a GS rider pulled over to look at my S10. He was a good young man in the coast guard and very happy with his GS. I asked him how fast he had been on it. He said at 90 mph. He got the shit scared out of him with a tank slapper. Hmmm?
 

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The problem with bike mags,and all other reviews,is that they are reviewing new products.
I actually want to know how that bike/car/tv/washing machine etc etc is going 5/6/7 years down the track.
I can't afford to buy a new bike so knowing how things hold up to abuse is way more important,and I'm quite sure I know how the Super Tenere would rate in that review.
 

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I'm a bit confused how what a magazine/paper writer could possibly add of any value to humanity? They really should be publicly humiliated at every turn and laughed at as incompetents w/o enough drive and skill to learn some useful function in the world.

There is no longer any reason to purchase a magazine unless you need reading material for your waiting room. And most people will just use their phones now days anyway. Let them die on the stands. If no one buys them, stores will stop stocking them. The biggest consumer of this type of rag is the youngsters that can't afford the products, just want to dream of owning/riding one someday. Plenty of bike porn on the internet. No reason to waste money on paper. With some luck, people will stop paying money to advertise in them too. But the acceptable ROI for advertising is so tiny that they throw funding at anything.

If you want info on bikes 5/6/7 years down the track, find people on the forums that actually ride those bikes and engage them. The owner that still has a shiny one in the garage at 5 years with barely the first oil change of miles/kms on it isn't much use for how they hold up.
 

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Not sure if you were aiming your response at me EricV. I've had my Super Tenere nearly 4 years and have done around 7 oil changes.
My point was summed up in your last paragraph though.
In order to know how these products perform,we need to gather evidence of many owners,with years and miles of ownership such as the very people on these forum(s) we all frequent.
I'd never purchase on the rantings of one journalist,it's the man on the street who fronted up with his hard earned dollars and bought one 5-10 years ago that I listen to.
 

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Not sure if you were aiming your response at me EricV.
Not aimed at you or anyone, just a general rant. Yes, the kind of info you want would be immensely more useful. But I think the very nature of a 'journalist' is to write a lot about nothing. They are paid opinion pieces slanted by the advertisers goals. And as you well stated, the opinions of people that didn't pay for the bike and only have it for a short time aren't all that useful.
 

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The problem with bike mags,and all other reviews,is that they are reviewing new products.
I actually want to know how that bike/car/tv/washing machine etc etc is going 5/6/7 years down the track....
I agree. It's hard to decide which reviews to believe nowadays, but as far as the Tenere goes, it made in Japan, and....how many miles does Long Haul Paul have? Nothing else I need to know.



….They really should be publicly humiliated at every turn and laughed at as incompetents w/o enough drive and skill to learn some useful function in the world....
I got confused, when did we start talking about the Kardashians? o_O
 

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I don't think you need to worry just yet Fennellg. Look at how long that un-popular FJR has hung around. ;)
 

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FJR is a nice bike a friend rode one for years. He only had 3 complaints. It ate front tires, the seat, he was to cheap to buy a replacement, and anemic engine breaking.
As with all bikes, some tires are more suited to individual bikes than others. I personally never had that issue. I put 162k on my '04A. 10-18k was normal for my front tires. 10-12k for rears. Sport-Touring tires, not Sport tires. Engine braking? :eek: Sounds like your friend rode a BMW before and didn't understand inline fours. It's funny to me, considering all the riders whining about too much engine braking on the Super Ten. They don't understand twins. It's all about how you use it.

On the seat, I finally caved at around 40k and got a RDL. I think that was after about a year and a half of owning the bike.
 

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In my case, I tend to read every review of models I’m interested in. I do read them with a big filter to try and discern the (maybe) 10% of useful data. Then I go scour the forums (and using a big filter again) determine the pros one cons of the bike.
I determined that GS’s are great bikes and would do what I wanted, but at a higher price point and had the potential to be much more maintenance intensive/expensive than any ST.


Oh, and the Tenere forums are far superior and filled with my kinda people.
 

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I don't think you need to worry just yet Fennellg. Look at how long that un-popular FJR has hung around. ;)
Especially if you include the FJ. With the exception of a short hiatus, the FJ/FJR has been here since '84.


...He only had 3 complaints. It ate front tires....
I don't understand FRONT tires. I didn't have much problem with either tire, but my skinny ass kid has trouble with REAR tires. I told him he's not heavy enough to keep it from spinning.
 

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Riders typically burn through front tires due to low pressure or cupping. Cupping is mostly from braking into corners, especially downhill ones.
 

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Riders typically burn through front tires due to low pressure or cupping. Cupping is mostly from braking into corners, especially downhill ones.
Agreed. I didn't articulate it correctly. I'm 300lbs, love using my front brake, the FJR is NOT a light bike, and I didn't burn through the fronts hardly at all. That being said, cupping doesn't bother me, and I'm anal about my tire pressure. I found that the ST1300 was more prone to cupping than the FJR. (I may have abused it more though)
 

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About the only publication I buy now, and seriously considering kicking it into touch after reading the article this week by "Neil Murray" the used bike expert who has a column every week telling us about the best used bargains etc, the heading this week is "Copycat used bargains" first he is citing Triumphs Trophy 1200 tourer as a copycat of a BMWR1200RT that failed to capture the market and is a good bike and a great used bargain, then goes on to say he'd be happy to bet the S10 wont be long for this world, as it has failed as a copycat BMWR1200GS and asks why buy it when you can have a GS?......No wonder the S10 doesnt sell when dickhead journos like him spout shit in that rag of a newspaper, and the road testers from the same paper slated the S10 the same when it was launched and really drove the knife home for a great machine that has a different engine configuration for a start if it's a copycat? Well I'd be happy to bet he hasn't even cocked a leg over an S10 either, so his opinion is worth doodly squat, and I sincerely hope his next shit is a hedgehog followed by pineapple!!! Rant Over! :mad:
About the only publication I buy now, and seriously considering kicking it into touch after reading the article this week by "Neil Murray" the used bike expert who has a column every week telling us about the best used bargains etc, the heading this week is "Copycat used bargains" first he is citing Triumphs Trophy 1200 tourer as a copycat of a BMWR1200RT that failed to capture the market and is a good bike and a great used bargain, then goes on to say he'd be happy to bet the S10 wont be long for this world, as it has failed as a copycat BMWR1200GS and asks why buy it when you can have a GS?......No wonder the S10 doesnt sell when dickhead journos like him spout shit in that rag of a newspaper, and the road testers from the same paper slated the S10 the same when it was launched and really drove the knife home for a great machine that has a different engine configuration for a start if it's a copycat? Well I'd be happy to bet he hasn't even cocked a leg over an S10 either, so his opinion is worth doodly squat, and I sincerely hope his next shit is a hedgehog followed by pineapple!!! Rant Over! :mad:
MSN are probably the most biased reviewers out there, they are getting well payed from BMW ,I wouldn’t buy any bike based on MSN reviews.
I remember seeing an article about the tenere and they gave a different grading against the GS and one of the grading was reliability and the GS won,after that I looked closely on the bike reviews and came to the conclusion their full of crap.
Guess it’s just another company trying to make money.
 
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