Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

[Dallara]

Hi Don,

I probably ride like a slightly fast nanny, but prefer tires that are a bit more compliant than those, so never get very good mileage. Also since I have to ride at least 3 hours from my straight, flat, boring IL roads to get to any decent twisties, I wear the tires flat in the middle. Still, I enjoy those twisties, so prefer tires with more grip (Hi Dallara ;D ).

Amen, Fred!

Sounds like you and have the same problems, and solutions!

Wonder why Eric doesn't use one of those ME880 rears?

Dallara

 

[avc8130]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

I think eric would be best served with a trip to the dark side!

Car tire for the win?

 

[Dallara]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

I think eric would be best served with a trip to the dark side!

Car tire for the win?

Why not? He already runs a truck rear spring! ::025::

Dallara



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[EricV]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

I think eric would be best served with a trip to the dark side!

Car tire for the win?

That's actually pretty funny AC. I'm darksider #1 on the FJR forum. I pioneered the use of car tires on the FJR and have ridden over 70k on two different car tires on the FJR. Of the over 100 FJR Darksiders I know of personally, we have had zero tire related accidents and have ridden well over a million miles on CTs. You have no idea what the benefits are to CT use. The reason I won't put a CT on the Super Ten is because the wheel is narrower than the 205/50-17 tire is rated for. That's the narrowest common size that will fit a 17" wheel.

The "grip" of the CT is far superior to any moto tire you will ever find. And the "feel" remains the same for the entire life of the tire, unlike moto tires that start going down hill from mile one. Yes, the feel is different, but it's far more bike like than you imagine. It doesn't slow anyone down. But like any tire, it's not for everyone either.

http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=124275

@Dallara - So you need maximum grip on the street? And you don't know what The Pace is? I guess you've been hanging around race tracks too much. Please take the time to read the following link. You might find it interesting.

The Pace - http://micapeak.com/info/thepace.html

 

[Dallara]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

That's actually pretty funny AC. I'm darksider #1 on the FJR forum. I pioneered the use of car tires on the FJR and have ridden over 70k on two different car tires on the FJR. Of the over 100 FJR Darksiders I know of personally, we have had zero tire related accidents and have ridden well over a million miles on CTs. You have no idea what the benefits are to CT use. The reason I won't put a CT on the Super Ten is because the wheel is narrower than the 205/50-17 tire is rated for. That's the narrowest common size that will fit a 17" wheel.

The "grip" of the CT is far superior to any moto tire you will ever find. And the "feel" remains the same for the entire life of the tire, unlike moto tires that start going down hill from mile one. Yes, the feel is different, but it's far more bike like than you imagine. It doesn't slow anyone down. But like any tire, it's not for everyone either.

http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=124275

@Dallara - So you need maximum grip on the street? And you don't know what The Pace is? I guess you've been hanging around race tracks too much. Please take the time to read the following link. You might find it interesting.

The Pace - http://micapeak.com/info/thepace.html

As a famous man once said, Eric... "Stupid is as stupid does".

Running a car tire on a motorcycle is "flat out wrong". Just ask the tire manufacturers and motorcycle manufacturers... But hey, WTF do they know compared to you, right? :

As for "The Pace" - Yes, I know about the article, and I read it when "Iron Snatch" wrote it back in the '90's. And I think it's a great piece, but once again... Try reading what I said. One person's "Pace" as per the article is most often quite a bit different than another rider's. It all has to do with one's own skill set, confidence, experience, familiarity with their machine and the road they're on, etc., etc., etc., as well as chosen tires, too. Your comfortable "Pace" will certainly be far different than a newbie's, just as mine, or Fred's, or AVC's, might be far different from yours.

But you go ahead and keep running those truck-rated rear springs and car tires... all while handing out suspension and tire declarations to the rest of us!!!

Dallara



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[EricV]

Poseur.

You know nothing at all about it, but have an opinion. Come back when you have actual experience. If all you can do is parrot manufacturers, you have zero experience with manufactures. I do. It's called liability. Now you go be a good boy and don't do anything the manufactures tell you is bad. Off you go now, go play with your boys on the street.

 

[Dallara]

Poseur.

You know nothing at all about it, but have an opinion. Come back when you have actual experience. If all you can do is parrot manufacturers, you have zero experience with manufactures. I do. It's called liability. Now you go be a good boy and don't do anything the manufactures tell you is bad. Off you go now, go play with your boys on the street.

I beg to differ with you, Eric.

I have a fairly vast amount of experience with manufacturers, both in the auto and motorcycle industries. I've also been directly involved in nearly ten years of actual testing for a tire manufacturer (Goodyear, with cars). Just how much testing have you done for a major tire manufacturer?

And perhaps I understand a bit more about "liability" than you realize. Been in the courtrooms to prove it.

Poseur? Because I'm not inane enough to run a car tire on a motorcycle? The only people interested in doing something like that are folks who only care about tire mileage. Anyone actually interested in proper handling dynamics of a motorcycle, and enjoying those, would never consider running a car tire.

Of course, there are folks who do no more than drone than the interstate hours on end, collecting gas receipts, and call that "riding"... To me that's a real "Poseur".

Dallara



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[EricV]

If that were true, you'd know that engineers spend a lot of time in CYA mode, just as manufacturers do. I've also spent decades working in manufacturing at different levels. I've seen engineers refuse to change designs even when proven that they don't work. I've seen companies willing to accept loss, as long as it's cheaper than re-tooling or heaven forbid, issuing a recall or safety warning notice.

You've been involved in testing for car tires, on cars. How much experience do you have testing car tires on motorcycles? None, I would guess. I on the other hand, have first hand, personal experience actually doing it. I know what it's like and how it works. You propose that you have a clue. You don't. You can't see out side the box.

You have a misconception of long distance riding. It's far from all slab. It can be that for some, but it's not about that.

Bottom line, I go places when I ride. I don't just ride the same group of roads in my local area.

 

[Dallara]

If that were true, you'd know that engineers spend a lot of time in CYA mode, just as manufacturers do. I've also spent decades working in manufacturing at different levels. I've seen engineers refuse to change designs even when proven that they don't work. I've seen companies willing to accept loss, as long as it's cheaper than re-tooling or heaven forbid, issuing a recall or safety warning notice.

What a shame you've only worked in areas where the "CYA mode" was all there was. Fortunately I've worked in areas where engineers aren't the slightest bit interested in "CYA mode", and all they were doing was trying to produce the absolute highest performance product possible within the state of the art.

You've been involved in testing for car tires, on cars. How much experience do you have testing car tires on motorcycles? None, I would guess. I on the other hand, have first hand, personal experience actually doing it. I know what it's like and how it works. You propose that you have a clue. You don't. You can't see out side the box.

I've been involved in testing car tires, on cars that lap some ovals at over 230 MPH... And with some of the best tire development engineers in the country.

You've done some garage dabbling in putting a car tire on a motorcycle and tooling around on it for 70,000 miles. That's not "engineering". It's also not actual "testing", because true "testing" involves not just approaching what you think the limits of something are, but also exceeding them so you can well and truly determine those limits. If you really won't exceed the posted speed limit on roadways by 20 MPH or more then you are no were near approaching the limits of any tires relevant to this discussion, nor getting anywhere near the limits of the motorcycle germane, either.

Unless you've run one of those car tires into failure on your motorcycle then you're not really "testing" anything, Eric. You're just riding around at a sedate pace claiming to *know* something.

You have a misconception of long distance riding. It's far from all slab. It can be that for some, but it's not about that.

And you've always had a gross misconception about my riding, but that doesn't count, right?

Bottom line, I go places when I ride. I don't just ride the same group of roads in my local area.

So do I, Eric. I've ridden all over this country, too. You're not the only one to have ventured outside his own state. Perhaps I have not done the long-distance riding you have, but then I doubt you have the various racing experience I have, nor perhaps the wrenching experience, either. Does that suddenly make you *right* about all things about tires, and me "flat out wrong"?

I doubt it.

I ride because I enjoy it, both to go places when I ride, but also to explore my skill level and the engineering excellence of my mount. My riding is not just a means to get to "a place", but also to enjoy the road, almost as a melody, and the places along the way as lyrics... Both making the song of the ride itself. Best part is I get to be the songwriter, the musician, and the singer, too! I may tune my instrument differently than you, or even use a different one altogether, but that doesn't make my song any more "flat out wrong" than yours.

We may not like the same songs, but that doesn't mean we both aren't music lovers.

I'll leave you to your "elevator music", and I'll stick to my classic rock and roll.

Dallara



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[avc8130]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

The reason I won't put a CT on the Super Ten is because the wheel is narrower than the 205/50-17 tire is rated for. That's the narrowest common size that will fit a 17" wheel.

So let me get this straight, you won't put a certain tire on the Tenere because the rim width doesn't meet the manufacturer's rating...but you will put that same tire on a completely different vehicle than it was designed for?

To each their own. I was being COMPLETELY honest when I said a car tire was probably best for you. I'm glad it has worked out for you. For your use it seems like it would be perfect.

ac

 

[twinrider]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

The "grip" of the CT is far superior to any moto tire you will ever find. And the "feel" remains the same for the entire life of the tire, unlike moto tires that start going down hill from mile one.

Yup. It's an open secret that the use of car tires have been banned in WSB and MotoGP out of fear that the resulting decimation of track records would kill lucrative motorcycle tire sales.

 

[Dallara]

Re: Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

Yup. It's an open secret that the use of car tires have been banned in WSB and MotoGP out of fear that the resulting decimation of track records would kill lucrative motorcycle tire sales.

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Now *THAT'S* funny, folks!!! ::024::


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Dallara



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[Rasher]

Just ordered a pair of roadsmart 2s . Was going to try the next's but no stock in UK. The rs2 should be great for the upcoming alps trip

 

[Blue Star]

Looking for a good pure street only tire, can you help?

My stick Bridgestone battlewings expired today at 14,700 Kms. Wanted to get anake 3 but they won't be available for next few weeks so settled on tourance next which are supposed to have better mileage than the EXP's.

 

[EricV]

@Rasher & Blue Star - Post up when you have some miles on those tires and give us your impressions.

I didn't care much for the odd wear patterns on the front Road Smart original version, though the rear wore well. Hopefully the Rs2 is better.

 

[Rasher]

@Rasher & Blue Star - Post up when you have some miles on those tires and give us your impressions.

I didn't care much for the odd wear patterns on the front Road Smart original version, though the rear wore well. Hopefully the Rs2 is better.

Will do, gonna put 3.5k on them by the end if July - drop me a reminder if I forgot to post ::008::