Interested in a Super Tenere, but....

[bigbob]

I guess I'm just getting old......

For me, T mode works just fine for 95% of my riding. Same was true on my two previous FJR's.

I guess there's some truth to the saying "The older I get, the faster I was"

::025::

Me too. I want fast I ride the 1900.

 

[2daMax]

I HV a Gen 1 S10. I didn't find the S mode snatchy maybe because I use the clutch to balance the power. I found T mode to be like a 250cc bike power. I could not use T mode in situations where a quick burst of acceleration is required such as tight passing in the twisties. Had to use the S mode to get the power. Well I played with the CO settings n now found T mode to be sufficiently powerful. S mode has gone wilder n I rarely use it now. I found for my bike CO +4 seems to be the best settings. The vibes around 3k rpm has reduced significantly. Haven't use S mode much since the improved T mode.

 

[motoguy]

I found T mode to be like a 250cc bike power. I could not use T mode in situations where a quick burst of acceleration is required such as tight passing in the twisties. Had to use the S mode to get the power.

A 250 ?? Seriously?? 96 Hp and you compare it to a 250cc? Putting the bike in S vs T mode won't give the bike "More power". You have the same Hp regardless, its just delivered differently. Its an" ADVENTURE" bike not a "SPORT" bike.

 

[LJM]

I have about 8k on my 2014 Es and the throttle response from day 1 has been great. Also from what I remember the S mode only affects the 1st third of throttle opening so by the time your at 1/2 throttle there is no difference in the fueling. Anyway these bikes only put out about 2/3 the hp of the KTM and Ducati ADV bikes so maybe they would be a better choice for the OP.

 

[hoak]

Kingofgix I own a 2014 non ES, and also have to count myself among the lucky in that in Tour Mode I do not expedience any of the FBW fueling snatch that is seen across the line, models, and model years in Sport Mode... In Sport Mode my Super Ténéré does hit hard, but I wouldn't quite describe it as the snatch like explosive fueling I've experienced on some other Super Ténéré's I've ridden. I would add my bike does seem to be running a bit rich, at idle and just off idle...

Unfortunately as the Super Ténéré is all CSS and not CAN Bus compliant, it's neither cheap, straight-forward, or easy to resolve fueling issues; like a lot of things on the Super Ténéré when they function properly they do so flawlessly and probably will for the life of the bike (or even the owner), when they don't it's a giant pain in the ass to fix, with more disassembly, and farting around to get things right then the Space Shuttle -- but it can be done.

Whether it's 'worth it' will depend on you and the amount of time, the tools, and money you may have to turn to the task of getting things where you need them to be. No mass produced motorcycle fits every rider out the door and is 'turn-key' ready, all confer additional cost, time and effort to resolve one-size-fits-all but fits none issues, and cost savings issues of mass production. To the Super Ténéré's benefit, it probably does better then most in this regard at lower cost due in part to its low price, success and the enormous after market of parts -- so the net cost to you even with resolving fueling issues may in time and money come in under other bike(s) you may be considering...

In that vein I also like the Stelvio NTX you mentioned; in my opinion it's excellent competition for the would be Super Ténéré customer's attention with similar size, weight, performance, and geometry -- it also does a lot of things well that the Super Ténéré does not (the converse is also true) like maintenance autonomy, range, better stock suspension, better brakes, better ABS and TCT, fewer fueling issues (and cheap and easy to resolve for just the cost of a computer cable should you experience any issues), and the bike vastly easier and cheaper to self service if your time is worth anything...

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Snatchy or responsive...it really depends on your outlook. When I moved from the '12 Tenere to the '15 Tenere I absolutely felt the throttle was much more responsive (some call snatchy). I took it as a challenge to improve my throttle control skills. It took effort and practice, but after very little time I totally forgot that it was once a challenge.

I ride in S mode 99% of the time. When it's raining or some other reduced traction situation...and I remember, I'll put the bike into T mode and allow the bike to stay in TCS1. Otherwise it is in S mode and it feels completely controllable.

 

[Jeff Milleman]

I ride in S mode most of the time to tame it down go into T , that's why there are 2 modes .. Like it, remap it or its not for you . Good luck finding a better bike of this type , Have you tryed a BMW it may be for you .. Good Luck

 

[shredmeister]

I agree. May be in your best interest to look for a different bike.

+2....If you don't like it, don't buy one. If you really want to feel a "snatchy" throttle, ride a big bore two stroke dirt bike (I.e. CR500). Of course, these always put a big grin on my face!

 

[HBLQRider]

I have no "snatchy" issue with my Super T, nor do I have any problems with it at all. Sure, it's not going to beat a Hayabusa in a drag race but if I wanted to go really fast I would have bought something else. Sounds like you, the OP, should be looking elsewhere for a bike.

 

[cromschild]

Here is my 2 cents worth to this post. I have a 2014 ES and I am approaching 7k. I ride a combination 60% street and 40% dirt, so I had some practice adjusting to the throttle response in S mode. I agree with some of the members on how practice makes perfect. You can certainly learn to control the throttle with a little practice off road. I ride 100% of the time in S mode and have little or no hiccups. You can also re-flash and that will certainly help out in your situation. It only costs a few hundred dollars and might be worth your while.

In closing, I rode my buddy's GS Adventure and that is a great bike as well. However, the extra 5 grand wasn't worth it in my opinion. Either way, buying a bike is no easy chose.

Good luck,
L ::021::

 

[Rethy]

I have a reflashed 2012 and am very pleased with throttle respponse in S mode. I would not call the throttle response abrupt. And some of the engine braking was removed at the reflash. It feels peppier response but in no way unccontrollable or annoying to ride. The bike does not surge like some of my last adv bikes ie: BMW 1150 GSA and 07 KTM 990 during steady throttle on the highway. I think some more seat time or a reflash would resolve the issue for you.
::021::

 

[AVGeek]

Kingofgix, as you can see, most members here love their bikes, but thats not to say its without it's quirks. Also, these motors take longer to really bed in than other makes, so they are usually at their best after about 6K miles or so. Whichever way you decide to go, let us know; there are plenty of great resources here to personalize any ST.

 

[Zepfan]

I wonder if bikes have there own personalities.

I stay in S, T is way too tame for me. There is a big difference on my bike!

My throttle response is smooth. I am on the throttle always, never notice any abruptness.

I did just have my bike in for its 55k/mi service. Only 2 exhaust were tight this time around, plugs, T.B. sync and air filter.
Made a surprisingly HUGE difference. My front wants to come up on me more and it feels quicker / stronger. Got to call NCY, San Marcos, CA and thank them. They also washed the bike for free!

I did flash and really didn't notice any HUGE difference.

 

[WJBertrand]

I feel my throttle in S mode, even with a Flash Tune re-flash, is abrupt with respect to closed to open throttle at low speed in 1st and 2nd gear. It's great everywhere else and at higher speeds / RPM. For low speed traffic and in-town riding I am using T mode mostly. My ST1300 was abrupt compared to the ST1100 I had previously but using a throttle tamer and carefully removing all cable slack has helped. Compared to the Tenere in S mode, the ST1300 is brilliant. I've decided I can tolerate the Tenere's fueling because the bike has so many other positive attributes and I have adapted to some degree. Is it the ideal preferred situation - no but it's acceptable.

Having said that, and just to add a general statement wider than the Tenere; I really don't get the need for multiple throttle / engine modes. It seems to me if the manufacturers could just work to perfect the fueling or develop and ECM that adjusts to driving conditions (like cars do) you would not need these multiple modes. I really consider them somewhat of a band-aid for less than fully developed ECM tuning. I realize emissions controls, fuel mileage, etc. are additional challenges but the EFI cars I've owned have to deal with even stricter standards for both emissions and MPG and seem to be able to avoid things like abrupt throttle response with a single or automatic mapping.

 

[HeliMark]

Having said that, and just to add a general statement wider than the Tenere; I really don't get the need for multiple throttle / engine modes. It seems to me if the manufacturers could just work to perfect the fueling or develop and ECM that adjusts to driving conditions (like cars do) you would not need these multiple modes. I really consider them somewhat of a band-aid for less than fully developed ECM tuning. I realize emissions controls, fuel mileage, etc. are additional challenges but the EFI cars I've owned have to deal with even stricter standards for both emissions and MPG and seem to be able to avoid things like abrupt throttle response with a single or automatic mapping.

I agree if the "S" mode was like that, but not the "T". At least for me, I like the "S" mode on the street and use it 99% of the time, but in the dirt, especially going down a washboard road, the "T" mode really helps with a "sluggish" response. Also not sure how that would work as dirt conditions vary so greatly compared to street.

Mark

 

[scott123007]

S is for street, T is for trail. ::012::

 

[Dirt_Dad]

S is for street, T is for trail. ::012::

S is for street, S and TCS off is for trail, T is for rain.

What can I say...I'm happiest when the back tire is spinning much faster than the front tire. ::26::

 

[Ostion]

The solution to your problem is called reflash the ECU, and it costs $225.00.
Look for threads on the issue, plenty of info. I just did mine through one of the inmates here, brand new bike.