Interested in a Super Tenere, but....

[Kingofgix]

Hi, new here and looking for input. I test rode a Super T on Thursday and really liked the feel of the bike. But the snatchy throttle in S mode is completely unacceptable to me. I cant believe anybody would put up with that, so here are my thoughts and questions.
- I have read about balancing throttle bodies, O2 sensor settings, etc. but it sounds like none of this is really the answer?
- I have read it gets better with time, but I am not buying a new bike and hoping it eventually fixes itself.
- The G2 throttle tamer seemed the most promising, but only a couple of data points and not sure I would like the feel of the "slow roll on"?
- Don't tell me to put it in T mode. I will get a 450 dirt bike before I would do that.

So, is it really fixable? Do you guys have a solution, or should I just move on? Thanks for any input. Seems like the perfect bike for me except....

 

[Dogdaze]

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[Use2btrix]

The problem might just be your lack of experience on the bike. It gets much better as you become more used to riding it.

 

[exegete]

I'm going to second the "lack of experience" but change it to "this type of throttle response" rather than "this bike". The previous bike I owned was a '99 Hayabusa which had a similar off-idle-snatch. Scared the Cheezus out of me when I first "inherited" it (for $8k) from my Dad. However, I got used to it, used the clutch a bit more in the slow stuff, and started to enjoy that bike.

Prior to picking up my S10, I had been riding my DRZ and had to go through the adaptation again, but it felt more natural the second time. In my mind: It's just a part of that throttle map, nothing is broken and it's not going to haul off and whoop my ass. One of the coping techniques I found with the school zone on my route home was to kick the S10 into third for 25mph, and second for 15mph limits. That evened the snatch out by keeping the motor at very low revs. Eventually I did cave and started using T mode for last bit into and out of my neighborhood. I'll admit: I'm lazy.

However, if that snatchyness is a deal-breaker for you, more power to you on finding something else. You have to be comfortable with what you buy, or you won't ride it. Good luck with your shopping, hope to see you out there! ::26::

P.S. I, for one, would LOVE to hear how the throttle response is on the other adventure bikes if you try them. Our local dealer doesn't allow test rides, so I'm up a creek without a test-ride. I'd be interested to know!

 

[HeliMark]

You will learn how to deal with it, if you want. I learned how to deal with it on the ST1300, which I think was worse. The only time I am in "T" is in the dirt.

But a reflash will take care of it. And it will take off the restrictions that Yamaha has on the first three gears.

Mark

 

[magic]

There has been a lot of discussion on this subject on this forum. I have tried the usual "fixes" outlined here, idle screw adjustment, CO setting, TB synch and removed the excess play from the throttle cable. All these adjustments made the bike much better. All of these changes are covered here on the forum by some very knowledgeable people. I have also tried the throttle tamer, but with a 400 cam, it came with a 200. I like this set up now, it's not perfect but it's much better. I ride it in S mode all the time now. I'm not sure if flashing the ECU takes care of this or not. For me a reflash would be a last resort, as I have the Yamaha extended warranty and I don't want to take a chance on having it voided. I wouldn't let this stop you from buying a S10, because as one of the other posters stated you will get used to it and lots of other FI bikes have the same "feature". Good luck with your decision.

 

[Kingofgix]

P.S. I, for one, would LOVE to hear how the throttle response is on the other adventure bikes if you try them. Our local dealer doesn't allow test rides, so I'm up a creek without a test-ride. I'd be interested to know!

Appreciate the responses so far, but the getting used to it idea isn't really what I was hoping to hear. As for how it compares to other bikes, since you asked: it is by far the worst I have ever ridden in my 40 years and dozens of bikes and many test rides. There is really no other bike I have ever ridden that I could say I even noticed any throttle snatch to speak of, but on the Super T it about gave me whiplash. For recent comparisons, I have ridden the following and detected essentially nothing.
Suzuki vstrom 650 and 1000
BMW GS
Moto Guzzi Stelvio (had a small amount, but only at walking speed and not an issue for me)
Aprilia Caponord (forums talk about it but I didn't notice it)
Triumph Tiger 800 and 1200
Kawasaki Versys 1000
And just today, a 2014 FJR ES with the same "S" and "T" engine modes. The FJR is completely free of this issue in both modes which I find interesting.

So, maybe I need to find another Super T to try. But the one I rode - I am never getting used to THAT.

 

[Pterodactyl]

I have a 2013 FJR that has the S and T modes. The difference between them is immense. I don't find that to be the case with the S10. There is a noticeable difference on the S10, but not near as much as the FJR. The point is that you are not giving up much by going to T mode.

 

[Steve_h80]

S is for silly.
T is for town / touring / takin' it easy.
Use each as appropriate and you'll be fine.
::021::

 

[flybigjet]

I test rode a 2016 ST (non-ES) yesterday and I really didn't feel there was a huge difference between S and T. It was there, yes but not enough to give me whiplash. I didn't think it much different from the quarter-turn throttle I have installed on my V-Rod.

Maybe you rode a cranky bike?

I did my test ride on the black ST at Grand Prix in Littleton. Maybe a bit of comparison between bikes is in order?

Or, it could be that the black bikes are more "domesticated" than the red ones?

Just a thought.

R.

 

[colorider]

Okay, my 2 cents worth - but I only have about 800 miles experience on my new Tenere....

Background:
Previous owner of a Gen 1 Tenere
Previous owner of two Gen 3 FJR's
so I have a little experience with the T and S modes

My ride home, after picking up my bike, was mainly interstate - virtually no "in city" riding. When I got to my home city, I had about 3-4 miles of stop and go and such. I was in T mode and the throttle seems much more snatchy than any of the bikes above - and more so than other FI bikes I have had in the past (a bunch).

The next day I had to ride over to a local dealer to have the VIN verified so I could take care of registration. The throttle response did not seem nearly as bad, but it WAS more snatchy than other bikes.

At this point, I'm really thinking I need to give it more time - both for the bike to get more broken in and for me to get better aquatinted with the bike.

YMMV

 

[kgfire]

I'd say move on, the throttle in S mode on the Gen. 2 Tenere is definitely abrupt and you'll probably never come to terms with it. T mode is great for certain situations but otherwise neuters the bike to the point of being no fun. It's a great bike but not for everyone.

 

[yoyo]

I'm only 300 miles into a new bike so running it in , I've only just put it into S, I decided to run it in using T only but it's really flat, I did find the roll off in S to be snatchy but it's far more controllable that on the Explorer I test rode, the Triumph throttle is really light and twitchy. I think it's something you can easily get used to BUT you have to like everything else about the bike, if you have to compromise on a couple of things you need to look elsewhere.

 

[Kingofgix]

I'd say move on, the throttle in S mode on the Gen. 2 Tenere is definitely abrupt and you'll probably never come to terms with it. T mode is great for certain situations but otherwise neuters the bike to the point of being no fun. It's a great bike but not for everyone.

Thanks guys. I may test ride another one just to make sure there isn't something weird about the one I rode, but I think the above is right on. I would never use T mode except in dirt. The bike is sluggish and might as well be a 650 in T mode. Completely unacceptable to me.

 

[colorider]

Thanks guys. I may test ride another one just to make sure there isn't something weird about the one I rode, but I think the above is right on. I would never use T mode except in dirt. The bike is sluggish and might as well be a 650 in T mode. Completely unacceptable to me.

I guess I'm just getting old......

For me, T mode works just fine for 95% of my riding. Same was true on my two previous FJR's.

I guess there's some truth to the saying "The older I get, the faster I was"

::025::

 

[VRODE]

I'm on a 2016ES. Yes, S mode is snatchy. I took all the slop (not that there was much) out of the throttle cable and it was easier to manage. T mode is soft but acceptable for me. S mode needs the engine braking decreased and a remap coming will take care of that. I knew going in it was going to be quite a bit different from my carbed FZ1. Now that I've got some miles on it, l'm acclimated to it. i like it more every time I ride it.

 

[Arkyrider]

I'd say move on, the throttle in S mode on the Gen. 2 Tenere is definitely abrupt and you'll probably never come to terms with it. T mode is great for certain situations but otherwise neuters the bike to the point of being no fun. It's a great bike but not for everyone.

I agree. May be in your best interest to look for a different bike.

 

[barkingllizard]

completely unacceptable to me

 

[CentralCal]

So the S mode stands for snatchy? what does T mode stand for?
I've had my 2013 for a year now. I read tons of comments stating that the bike wasn't broken in until 6000 miles.
So now that I have over 6000 miles not sure if it's broken in or I'm broken in. I had the occasional stalls at first. maybe the bike,probably me. :
But I alternate between S and T as my mood feels it. Like having the options and use T for long boring highway or flat stretches. S mode most of the time.
At this time I'm not in a rush to get it flashed as I don't feel the need to. To each his own and I enjoy my bike the more I ride it. if it doesn't fit you there's a lot to choose from.
Ride whatever makes you comfortable. ::26::

 

[dietDrThunder]

Thanks guys. I may test ride another one just to make sure there isn't something weird about the one I rode, but I think the above is right on. I would never use T mode except in dirt. The bike is sluggish and might as well be a 650 in T mode. Completely unacceptable to me.

There's nothing weird about the bike you rode; the off-idle fueling in S mode sucks on all of them. I rode one with a flashed ECU and it was vastly better, but not perfect. I will say that it was better enough than stock that 'getting used to it' was a viable solution, with the flashed ECU.