Gen2 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

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antiwaki said:
It's a personal philosophy of mine, either do it right or don't do it at all.. half measures make you look like an amateur and leave a bad impression on others.

My feeling exactly, why settle for mediocrity?
My feeling is that you're harping on a non-issue. I mean, do you really need to know what gear you're in while you're pulling in the clutch? And in what way would the number not appearing while pulling in the clutch remotely be considered a safety issue???

You might be happier with a GS, a lot of GS riders also seem to fret about non-issues.
 

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It would be cool if they built the best gear indicator in the world. I say that because it was cool that they didn't build one at all on mine. I'm good either way.
But we've been asking for one for years. Rather than ignore us, they threw one in. Probably a freebie. Really.
 

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twinrider said:
My feeling is that you're harping on a non-issue. I mean, do you really need to know what gear you're in while you're pulling in the clutch? And in what way would the number not appearing while pulling in the clutch remotely be considered a safety issue???

You might be happier with a GS, a lot of GS riders also seem to fret about non-issues.
WHY SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY???
Why settle for "better this, than nothing"
Why don´t aim for the best?
 

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2014 ST GEAR INDICATOR

antiwaki said:
WHY SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY???
Why settle for "better this, than nothing"
Why don´t aim for the best?
They could aim as high as you like in every aspect, but the price tag that would accompany it would be cost prohibitive. Then everyone would be bitching about what the bike costs....

If you're looking for the highest level of "technowhizbanggeewhizzawesomeness" Ducati has your bike waiting for you with a $20,000+ price tag. Heck, you don't even have to pull the key out of your pocket to start the bike - talk about braggin' rights... Knock yourself out...
 

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antiwaki said:
WHY SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY???
Why settle for "better this, than nothing"
Why don´t aim for the best?
You're clearly cut out for a GS. Please sell your S10 ASAP for everyone's peace of mind. ::025::
 

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Re: 2014 ST GEAR INDICATOR

antiwaki said:
WHY SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY???
Why settle for "better this, than nothing"
Why don´t aim for the best?
I see you've never worked in manufacturing. Cost, that's why. 90% of the people will be satisfied with what they added. The 10% don't add up to enough lost sales to worry about. It's cheap and easy to change software. It's expensive to change hard parts and adding more cost to the product means lost profits in a finite market where the price is already adjusted to the market it sells in.

They are using off the shelf items from the FJR to 'update' the Super Tenere. I'm going to guess that the actual sensor for the transmission can't easily be added to the Super Tenere's trans case for one reason or another. So in lieu of a entirely new engine case casting, the Super Tenere got a software addition to work with the existing new gauge pod/display. Win-Win, except for a small minority, in an already niche market, that will bitch about it.
 

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twinrider said:
You're clearly cut out for a GS. Please sell your S10 ASAP for everyone's peace of mind. ::025::
I wont sell my s10, if you're a mediocre it's not my problem.
 

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EricV said:
I see you've never worked in manufacturing. Cost, that's why. 90% of the people will be satisfied with what they added. The 10% don't add up to enough lost sales to worry about. It's cheap and easy to change software. It's expensive to change hard parts and adding more cost to the product means lost profits in a finite market where the price is already adjusted to the market it sells in.

They are using off the shelf items from the FJR to 'update' the Super Tenere. I'm going to guess that the actual sensor for the transmission can't easily be added to the Super Tenere's trans case for one reason or another. So in lieu of a entirely new engine case casting, the Super Tenere got a software addition to work with the existing new gauge pod/display. Win-Win, except for a small minority, in an already niche market, that will bitch about it.
If you read my post I only mentioned that I din not like the gear indicator system on the new S10, that is all.
 

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Wow! All of this over a gear position light. Been riding over 50 years and never thought one was needed. If it's not lugging or over revving I must be in the right gear. Seems so simple.
 

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Why is it done half ass?? it works....it works in a efficient manner, meaning not adding a lot of extra crap at a high extra cost so you know your in third when stopped instead of first.....I just don't see it as a necessity. It really falls into the nice to have, near the bottom of that list even. Kind a like a clock....It works it shows the time, I'm not pissed because it doesn't show what time it is in Prague, NY and LA simultaneously.

What I'm trying to say is I think Yamaha did what some buyers asked without driving the cost up to that of a GSA. Simpler design generally means more reliable as well.
 

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offcamber said:
Why is it done half ass?? it works....it works in a efficient manner, meaning not adding a lot of extra crap at a high extra cost so you know your in third when stopped instead of first.....I just don't see it as a necessity. It really falls into the nice to have, near the bottom of that list even. Kind a like a clock....It works it shows the time, I'm not pissed because it doesn't show what time it is in Prague, NY and LA simultaneously.

What I'm trying to say is I think Yamaha did what some buyers asked without driving the cost up to that of a GSA. Simpler design generally means more reliable as well.

::026::


::021::
 

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antiwaki said:
WHY SETTLE FOR MEDIOCRITY???
Why settle for "better this, than nothing"
Why don´t aim for the best?
If you worked in manufacturing, which includes marketing, you would get it.

As EricV said, if there is not a place to put a sensor then it would probably require a new casting, a new part to be added to the supply chain, a new source of potential problems, a new wiring system, more connectors that a re potential corrosion point, another loom assembly, a grommet somewhere that has to seal, more manufacturing procedures, parts inventory, manufacturing line changes, staff training, test procedures, service manual additions. bla de bla de bla,

What you have now is a software change that maybe took 10 man hours and it's done, and you get a 10 man hour price increase spread over 5000 bikes, or whatever. If it was a BMW GS(A) it would be spread over 40,000 bikes or whatever. (GS only)

What YAMAHA has done it designed a bike that is sorted from day one as far as things that are supplied working VIN 00001 off the line and continue to operate reliably for many years. (proven)

That takes time and effort and man hours to test, change test change test test test test AND test. It takes runs down the line top make sure things are right, changed, checked re-run, checked changed tested, batch sampled, field tested, rinse repeat until it is 100% (AFA they know) etc.

Having said that, if they did do everything 100% then you would have a $1,150,000 bike, because it's a YAMAHA and people expect YAMAHA to come in at a certain price the one sale would be to the museum.

So, Why don´t aim for the best? They do. They aim for the best that can be done given the Market accepted price, and the market accepted reliability and the market accepted feature list and have to allocate R&D resources to places where they consider they will get the most value. Unfortunately in this case they decided that you'll just have to cope as the remaining 150 man hours were probably better spent elsewhere.

YAMAHA is the kind of company that would love to do a YZF-R1 Godzilla S for $100,000. They just know that there is a lot of "class snobbery" out there that won't accept that and it would take at least a decade and a brand name change to get to that point (EG Lexus).

The only time they can do things like that is when they design and build a super car motor for someone else (Lexus LFA) that can charge $400K and can afford to aim and arguable produce one of the best 400K of money can buy.

If Lexus release a $40,000 YAMAHA powered ADV bike, be assured that YAMAHA will have some slick stuff fitted, including a gear indicator that doesn't go blank an a clutch pull. There is a chance though that they would have spent that money on titanium milled casings though, knowing YAMAHA.

If you don't know YAMAHA have a greater tendency to be a bit quirky and go a bit their own way. You just bumped into one of the R&D priority assessments that you don't agree with.
 

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As often is true, well stated Graham.
(I can't help but add that Australian accent when I read your posts. Makes it even MORE entertaining. :) )
 

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snakebitten said:
(I can't help but add that Australian accent when I read your posts. Makes it even MORE entertaining. :) )
Struth mate, as long as it's not one of those silly OZ/NZ/POM hybrid accents that the Simpsons do I'm Ok with that. umm Cobber (you should know no one says that here) ::024::
 

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I promise the one I add is the one I actually enjoyed in country.
Who are the Simpsons?
And why are you still awake?
 

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Z06 said:
Wow! All of this over a gear position light. Been riding over 50 years and never thought one was needed. If it's not lugging or over revving I must be in the right gear. Seems so simple.
Exactly. Use your left foot. When it won't click down anymore it's in first, when it won't click up anymore it is in top gear. Why have to look down at the dash to find this out? BFD. ::)
 

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I have no issue with Yamaha including a gear indicator, and I wouldn't not buy the bike because it has one. Heck, it might stop me from going for 7th every once-and-again.

What kills me is that folks asked for it, Yamaha added it, and then we're gonna whine about their method. Nice to have First-World problems I s'pose.
 

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offcamber said:
Why is it done half ass?? it works....it works in a efficient manner, meaning not adding a lot of extra crap at a high extra cost so you know your in third when stopped instead of first.....I just don't see it as a necessity. It really falls into the nice to have, near the bottom of that list even. Kind a like a clock....It works it shows the time, I'm not pissed because it doesn't show what time it is in Prague, NY and LA simultaneously.

What I'm trying to say is I think Yamaha did what some buyers asked without driving the cost up to that of a GSA. Simpler design generally means more reliable as well.
::026:: what he said, exactly. ::026:: w/ so many of the 'improvements' Yamaha did what some buyers asked, that is damn cool.

mayb we shld go back to side-shifters, then those worried wld really kno what gear they're in w/ dependable technology. ::002::

the more things change...

it's comical. another troll issue?
 

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RidingUpandDown said:
::026:: what he said, exactly. ::026:: w/ so many of the 'improvements' Yamaha did what some buyers asked, that is damn cool.

mayb we shld go back to side-shifters, then those worried wld really kno what gear they're in w/ dependable technology. ::002::

the more things change...

it's comical. another troll issue?
Ya gotta be kidding, the above sounds like something I'd expect to hear from the south end of a north bound horse! ::025::

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