Clutch gone in 10k miles.

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While planning a huge Canadian trip this summer through QC/NL/NS from Maryland, I looked for a mile-crushing, comfortable and BULLETPROOF machine to get me safely there and back. After months of research, it looked like the S10 was the answer and I found a 2013 with 10k miles from a dealer I trust completely and started my learning curve on a new bike. Comfort, mileage, handling, quirks, etc.

Have ridden less than 500 miles on only a few weekends and got stranded with a shot clutch. Apparently the whole clutch pack is done. Lost a month of riding and cost another $1000.
Crushingly disappointed as my trip is now cancelled and I'm not sure I can now travel far from home without a constant anxiety of WTF else is going to go tits up.... which is the exact opposite of what everyone says about the S10 and I have zero interest in riding the same local roads every weekend.
Any comments on whether this is a fluke or if I got the only lemon in the basket of apples? What would make a clutch crap out that fast and what else do I need to worry about?
I REALLY want to love this bike but it's putting up a fight.
There have been many reports of Tenere clutch failures on this forum, I haven’t experienced any myself. Hopefully you will be able to figure out why yours failed so soon. My Goldwing currently has 597,000+ miles on the original clutch and it still seems to be working like new.
 

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I've seen a Tenere clutch burned up after abuse in mud and loading a truck with a ramp.

On the up side, the clutch is pretty easy to replace. I'm also in Maryland so would be happy to look if you're within an hour of Damascus.
 

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Thanks to all for the input.
I was told there is only a SINGLE CLUTCH available in the US and they will try to get it before it's gone. Otherwise, will have to order overseas and wait for delivery.
Now have some concern that parts for this bike are few and far between.
Not sure I'm interested in putting the same seemingly crappy component back in the bike and then have to do the same for next season since I was (previously) planning well over 10K miles this year.
And, as some of the experienced commenters have indicated, I just lost out with a lemon, who knows what else is going to fail and leave me stranded far from home.
Maybe take the repair hit and look for another ride. S10s are hard to come by but maybe a more recent model will live up to the reputation.
 

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Thanks to all for the input.
I was told there is only a SINGLE CLUTCH available in the US and they will try to get it before it's gone. Otherwise, will have to order overseas and wait for delivery.
Now have some concern that parts for this bike are few and far between.
Not sure I'm interested in putting the same seemingly crappy component back in the bike and then have to do the same for next season since I was (previously) planning well over 10K miles this year.
And, as some of the experienced commenters have indicated, I just lost out with a lemon, who knows what else is going to fail and leave me stranded far from home.
Maybe take the repair hit and look for another ride. S10s are hard to come by but maybe a more recent model will live up to the reputation.
What parts are you needing? The clutch doesn't come as just one component, it consist of fiber plates, metal plates, pressure plate, a spring and several other parts. Normally when a clutch wears out you can get by with just a set of new fiber plates. The fiber plates should be available. If it were mine, I would get a set of Barnett plates and a Barnett pressure plate.
 

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The current supply chain issues affect all bikes, not just Yamaha. No matter what alternate brand you select, that's going to be an issue for a while with OEM parts, especially if you're buying a Japanese bike.

It's possible that there are materially defective components in your clutch that caused this issue; no manufacturing process is perfect. But nothing in my nine years of owning this bike, and being a part of this forum, would lead me to believe that premature clutch failure is an endemic problem with this bike. My experience hasn't been the same as Cycledude's; I've never seen of a plethora of reports about unexplained clutch failures that would lead me to believe there's a component quality issue with them, certainly not to the level of a worn out clutch at that low mileage.

The much more likely scenario to me is that your bike suffered a combination of previous owner abuse/neglect. You bought a 10 year old motorcycle that had 10,000 miles on it. An average of 1,000 miles per year means that bike sat around a LOT. It's not a leap to figure that a bike that sat around that much didn't get maintained properly (or at all). Guys who ride less than 100 miles per month probably don't spend a lot of time doing the required periodic maintenance that bikes need. That means old brake and clutch fluid that can screw up hydraulic systems (like clutch master and slave cylinders), old ethanol sitting in fuel tanks and causing fueling problems, oil that has maybe been changed once or twice since 2013, old batteries that can cause electrical issues, etc. If I owned your bike, yes, I'd be concerned about long distance trips, but not because of a lack of faith in Yamaha. It would be more along the lines of "what systems do I need to thoroughly look into and repair because no one has probably ever done it?". At the very least, before I took your bike on a cross country trip to Canada, I'd be pulling fuel pumps and checking/changing filter screens, cleaning throttle bodies and fuel injectors, changing spark plugs (and checking for corrosion on the left hand plug, because that IS a Super Tenere "thing"), checking coil sticks for cracking or dry rot, flushing brake/clutch/coolant fluids, repacking headset and swingarm bearings...well, you get the idea.

A totally trashed clutch at 10,000 miles is not a common occurrence on this bike. I doubt it'd even a common occurrence on the cheapest Chinese made motorcycle with dubious quality control. My lack of faith in your bike's viability wouldn't be Yamaha based, it would be previous owner based. You can certainly ruin a clutch at 10,000 miles doing things like Checkswrecks mentioned, but that's not a design problem.

I have 96,000 miles on my bike. Excluding typical wear items like tires, brake pads, etc, the only things I've had to replace was a set of rear wheel bearings, a lower headset bearing, and several headlight bulbs. I've always maintained it myself, so I know what's been done and what needs done; that's always a confidence builder. I wouldn't hesitate to jump on it right now and head for New Mexico. But I get where you're coming from, and I'd be pissed too...it's just that I'd probably be pissed at the prior owner, and maybe the dealership that sold me the bike.
 

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Thanks to all for the input.
I was told there is only a SINGLE CLUTCH available in the US and they will try to get it before it's gone. Otherwise, will have to order overseas and wait for delivery.
Now have some concern that parts for this bike are few and far between.
Not sure I'm interested in putting the same seemingly crappy component back in the bike and then have to do the same for next season since I was (previously) planning well over 10K miles this year.
And, as some of the experienced commenters have indicated, I just lost out with a lemon, who knows what else is going to fail and leave me stranded far from home.
Maybe take the repair hit and look for another ride. S10s are hard to come by but maybe a more recent model will live up to the reputation.
It is a model-specific engine on a low volume model (though I thought it shared a clutch with the FJR?).
However, Yamaha has been making S10s, unchanged, for ten years. Not really a lot of change in the years before that.
Still making them in '23. So, I think parts will be around for a while. Aftermarket accessories may be a different story.

It seems this clutch experience - which could be due to (prior) owner misuse / improper maintenance - has soured you on this bike. Maybe you should sell it and get something that gives you more confidence.

While planning a huge Canadian trip this summer through QC/NL/NS from Maryland
Not huge for this bike. Hell, I did that last year. Bike didn't skip a beat.
 

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I'm pretty sure that there's an FTC law that says manufacturers have to make parts for 10 years after model is out of production. Doesn't say that you won't have to wait for it though.
 

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Was going to say the same but found conflicting info on that. I'd thought the EU had similar regs, too, but could not confirm.
 

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It's a myth, about the mandatory 10 year parts inventory. It's a misinterpretation of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
 

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I replaced my clutch last summer at something over 200k kms and several abuse sessions getting out of sand and mud. I discovered the cost of the complete clutch plate kit was less than the friction plates. ( in Canada). The kit doesn't include the diaphragm spring. Kit # 23p-w001g-00
 

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I was told there is only a SINGLE CLUTCH available in the US and they will try to get it before it's gone. Otherwise, will have to order overseas and wait for delivery.
As tntmo showed, you were told wrong.
The aftermarket vendors like Partzilla also have them in stock today.

Now have some concern that parts for this bike are few and far between.
Owned a Tenere for 11.5 years and NEVER had a problem getting anything so that's an unfounded concern.

Not sure I'm interested in putting the same seemingly crappy component back in the bike and then have to do the same for next season since I was (previously) planning well over 10K miles this year.
Unless YOU totally mis-treat the new clutch it will outlast your owning this bike s it is anything but crappy. I was doing 24,000 miles a year on my Gen1 bike like yours and would take my current bike (38,000 miles) to Alaska today, as-is. The Tenere is massively conservative in engineering, which is why it's not competing with the 150 hp adventure bikes. It's RELIABLE as a rock and the most reliable I've ever had.

I just lost out with a lemon, who knows what else is going to fail and leave me stranded far from home.
You didn't get a lemon just because you bought a used adventure bike with unknown history and what is probably an abused clutch. The only other thing to be aware of in the early S10s were the cam timing chain tensioners (CCT) in 2012. Lots of previous posts about replacing them with either a newer version or even a manual CCT but then you have a 2013 anyway.

As for being stranded, this is the LEAST likely bike to leave you walking. And even if something doesn't work, it's good old fashioned Japanese Bike 101 so easy for any shop to fix it because there's no CANBUS.

Maybe take the repair hit and look for another ride. S10s are hard to come by but maybe a more recent model will live up to the reputation.
You are free to try mine but I'd rather help you look at yours to help you keep what you have.
 

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And if you want to meet a BIG group of Super Tenere owners I hope you can join us at Camp-n-Ride the end of next week, even if just for a day.
 

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Ya know Ive been thinking about this a bit, this could be a very simple part that has gone bad or this could be on the verge of 'when the guy posted his whole clutch basket melted and threw aluminum into the engine'...... Until we see inside, this could be as simple as a badly worn clutch push rod that then began to let the clutch slip.... A very simple fix and a $15 part......

Recently I came across this on a bike: friend hits me up after he was doing some maintenance. He called and said all of a sudden his clutch is slipping. I asked if messed with the clutch at all (in the engine)? He said no............... Long story short, he lubed the clutch lever. There is a barrel in the lever that the clutch push pin enters that barrel. He lubed the inside of the (pin) barrel enough where when the pin was excepted it became a solid. When this happened it then put XXXXXXXX amount of excess throw through that clutch pin and put pressure on the clutch plunger. What this means is the clutch thought he was 'slipping' the clutch with his hand. He was not, he was not touching the leaver and the clutch was slipping when he accelerated........................ After we cleaned out 98% of grease out of that clutch lever barrel, the clutch worked perfectly again with no issues at all...................

Point being, until we see several of these parts on the inside, WHO KNOWS what the actual culprit or problem actually is....... Could be very simple, could be a total explosion................ ??? We have to see photos.......

We are all diagnosing the 'body ache', when the patient has a hang nail or head ache.......... Or could be a heart attack ???
 

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The OP says in one of his posts that he isn't really mechanically inclined, so I doubt we're going to be seeing photos of internals and/or damaged parts, unless the OP's mechanic is the one taking them. And by that point, a mechanic would be the one fixing it anyway.

I actually find these "what could the problem be?" sorts of posts useful, even when I'm not experiencing that problem. They make a nice starting point for troubleshooting if I eventually do have an issue with a clutch, or brakes, or electrical system, etc.
 
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Thanks to ALL for the awesome input... here's the update.
The parts came in and (thankfully) the clutch assembly was upgraded to the Gen2 version with an improved clutch basket.
After watching hours of YT videos, I at least learned enough to ask that question.
I totally trust the guys at the shop as they are now all friends and are invested in my travels almost as much as I am.
However.... Trust but Verify!
Took the trailer to get the Beast on Saturday but took a little 140mile tester before loading it up to see how things worked out. All good and it feels WAY better than it did the first time I took in out.
Followed up yesterday with a 220mile loop and now issues. Clutch pull is definitely harder than my previous ride (cable, not hydraulic) so I'll just man-up and adjust. Plan to lay down another 1500-2000 or so miles and then will be ready for oil and filter change.

This is a fantastic forum and I am grateful for the willingness to educate a noob.
I'm certain there will be more queries coming as I now want to work on some ergos and a few other issues I have seen pop up commonly for the S10.

Appreciation to all!!
 

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All I got was... "The clutch was shot".
Not as helpful as I would have liked since I spend my daily life doing diagnosis and treatment.
BUT, at this point, I'm just going to be thankful it happened before a big adventure and keep moving forward.
Also, no pics of the repair. In hindsite, I should have offered to give them my GoPro so I could at least watch the surgery.
 
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