Well, just go to the BMW Forum and click on their maintenance/repair/upgrade section, you get nearly all problems.Purificator81 said:I was going through various threats in this forum and to my surprise I discovered many reports relating to the reliability of the S10...now the thing is that before i got mine everything I red that this bike is a super reliable one...after I bought it suddenly (had to do with proper research I guess..) I discovered reports on the following issues:
1- failed CCT
2- cluch issues
3- unexplained engine carbon build
4- odd vibration at 3500 rpm
5- sudden engine no start
6- premature wear of the clutch discs
Now I just need to understand what is the total percentage of these issues from the total owners and why people are keep on syaing that this is a very reliable bike if the above issues are happening regularly to the point that even Yamaha can't explain some of them... I am really confused
Ask the dealer about Yamalube Ring Free Plus to clear up the carbon buildup.ST-venture said:2012 ST - now with 39K miles. I had the hard start issue at least 3 times. The first two WOT fixed. The last time I had to take to the shop and it turned out to be the carbon buildup issue. The shop advised me to use premium fuel (I had been running mostly regular) and add a cleaner additive every 3-5K miles. I'll see how that works over the next 40K.
I haven't seen any of the other issues.
trasbeck said:I write all this because I am seeing this forum going the way of the stromtrooper...in that I already see people being advised to install non-yamaha parts (ccts) or perfectly good factory parts(clutch) on used bikes they are considering buying before they even know if there is an issue. My advice anyone considering a used purchase is look the thing over for obvious abuse and buy it! Then ride it a year before you start trying to solve imaginary problems. Develop a relationship with a dealer you can trust....not everyone in the industry is a thief or an idiot....most will work with you to keep your buisness...I'd best stop my rant and put on some Nomex 'cause I bet I hit a few nerves...If so ..I apologize.....
Who are "they"?snakebitten said:They neeeeeed ammo against the Tenere over there.
It's ok with me. But I don't get it. I have bikes much less reliable than the Tenere. ALL of them, in fact.
Why would I be happy if my Tenere DID have a problem?
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I did not include mods as they are really subjective. All what I want is to have a mindmap on things to pay attention to in order to avoid expensive consequences either by doing unnecessary changes or not doing themRasher said:Reliability is very different to "essential modifications"
At 16,500 miles I have had a headlight harness on a recall (it was still working) and a few hard starts - the only thing close to a "common problem" IMO, but if you compare this bike to the best selling Adv bike which has had a myriad of recalls and a fair few needing entire gearboxes / clutches / engines we can probably say it is pretty robust.
Compare it to the Journo's favourite toy which shits its engine within 10k if it is used outside an oxygen tent and it is even more impressive, especially when you look at Nick Saunders 52,000 mile Americas record where the bike ran for 50k over 12 weeks with about 2 oil changes and a few pairs of tyres.
I never even noticed the "Vibration Issue" until it was pointed out here and I went looking for these vibes, and still thought it was no less than what I would expect for a large V-Twin, and it is still far smoother at 16k than my GS was at 6k.
Now "Essential Mods" are far too subjective.
ECU Flash - Yep makes a big difference if the bike is ridden a certain way, and a small difference if it is ridden another certain way, although everyone would find an improvement it is not like the bike is utter crap without it.
Shock - For two-up or for heavy folk the shock is a shade soft, for most solo riders it works very well, I replaced mine as I did a lot of two-up touring, but I did the same on my GS, and my ZZR 1400 as they too were not great when two-up and loaded either - if anything the S10 shock is better quality than either of my last two bikes.
The Forks seem oddly sprung, but maybe Yamaha had to do this due to the wide range of uses the bike may get, again not exactly awful in OE spec, for my 99.9% road use the mods I did make it far better, but hardly essential.
Jury will be out for a few more years / another 20k, but I think this may well be the best bike I have ever bought.
Thanks for helping me out guys,Dirt_Dad said:Don't worry...go back to sleep.