California sux....VS. Sriracha

[tomatocity]

Fair enough, Tomato. Not all is sunshine and happiness in these parts either, mostly due, as you say, to the 6 month long winters, of which I have lived through many (there are snowflakes flying around as I type this!). As far as $=happiness, that's true in some cases, but in my experience the lack of $$$ certainly creates its own misery and despair. I guess my point is that if CA were to exploit the untapped energy wealth it possesses, it could lift hundreds of thousands, possibly in the millions, out of poverty in your state. From everything I've read about your state, it seems that economic policy is decided for the most part by wealthy elite who live near the coast, while the middle and lower classes continue to be squeezed out with little say -- or stake -- in their own future. It's always easy for those who already 'got theirs' to not worry so much about those who don't.

As to your last point about CA circa 2060, I'm not sure how CA will be able to secure a monopoly on Good weather by then. As to the oil, if it remains untouched by 2060 in CA, you might as well consider that it doesn't even exist. Recent analyses state that the Bakken and Three Forks oil formations of ND and MT are projected to produce beyond the year 2100 requiring three new generations of workers; additionally, there are 4 other formations of oil sandwiched in and around the Bakken and Three Forks that haven't even been drilled yet. By 2060 ND oil may be the sole source of fuel for your vintage Super Tenere! ::003::

Scoob, most of the impoverished persons in California are that way because they choose to. We have a VERY GOOD welfare system in California and people move here for that. It is so good that I know of a six generation family that has NEVER had a person in their family have a job. They know how to play the welfare game. Many of the homeless are this way because they are criminals with active warrants, owe huge amounts of child support, have debt they don't feel they can ever overcome, or just like not being in the general public. The organized homeless can make $300-400 a day pan handling. The weather in most of California is so good they can live on the street all year. I doubt you will find too many homeless looking for a place to live anywhere above the 38th parallel. Too many of the homeless are veterans and that is where I try to spend my time to get them assistance. Its tough since drugs and alcohol play a large part and usually win. My motto is "one at a time". I don't seek them out and don't track them down after they fall back. Our goal is to get them into a system that can help them in the long run although clean clothes, shower and a shave can put light in there eyes... even for a day. It is up to them. Welfare families can become trapped and that is a government issue. As for oil... we should be more concerned with becoming less dependent on oil than we are on producing it. The new ELIO http://www.eliomotors.com/ claims to get 86 MPG and you can buy the three wheeler for $6800. Might be a great alternative for the Tenere during the colder and wetter months.

 

[kmac]

Scoob, most of the impoverished persons in California are that way because they choose to. We have a VERY GOOD welfare system in California and people move here for that. It is so good that I know of a six generation family that has NEVER had a person in their family have a job. They know how to play the welfare game. Many of the homeless are this way because they are criminals with active warrants, owe huge amounts of child support, have debt they don't feel they can ever overcome, or just like not being in the general public. The organized homeless can make $300-400 a day pan handling. The weather in most of California is so good they can live on the street all year. I doubt you will find too many homeless looking for a place to live anywhere above the 38th parallel. Too many of the homeless are veterans and that is where I try to spend my time to get them assistance. Its tough since drugs and alcohol play a large part and usually win. My motto is "one at a time". I don't seek them out and don't track them down after they fall back. Our goal is to get them into a system that can help them in the long run although clean clothes, shower and a shave can put light in there eyes... even for a day. It is up to them. Welfare families can become trapped and that is a government issue. As for oil... we should be more concerned with becoming less dependent on oil than we are on producing it. The new ELIO http://www.eliomotors.com/ claims to get 86 MPG and you can buy the three wheeler for $6800. Might be a great alternative for the Tenere during the colder and wetter months.

Born and raised 3rd gen here in So Cal and I will beg to differ greatly Tomato.
Our welfare system sucks unless you are a schmuck and an abuser. Legit people who need some help get screwed...I am in that boat right now and not wanting to be a jerk tricking the system I am out of options...dried up, dead, gone, zip, zero, zilch, nada.
For criminals and losers there is always funds but I am not a criminal and trying not to be a loser. Cali is broke and getting worse even though the economy has turned a bit, it is still crap and pay is way down but not cost of living.

They better start drilling for oil because I an NOT driving one of those tricycle POS's....never.

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[troll]

Born and raised 3rd gen here in So Cal and I will beg to differ greatly Tomato.
Our welfare system sucks unless you are a schmuck and an abuser. Legit people who need some help get screwed...I am in that boat right now and not wanting to be a jerk tricking the system I am out of options...dried up, dead, gone, zip, zero, zilch, nada.
For criminals and losers there is always funds but I am not a criminal and trying not to be a loser. Cali is broke and getting worse even though the economy has turned a bit, it is still crap and pay is way down but not cost of living.

They better start drilling for oil because I an NOT driving one of those tricycle POS's....never.

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With no disrespect my first question after reading this is how do you afford a late model XT1200Z?

 

[True Grip]

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[Kelvininin]

I spent nearly half of last year in the bay area (on the wrong side) doing a startup, I do thermal industrial waste water treatment. Basically I boil water for a living.

At any rate, between unions, and excessive governmental regulation, doing business in the state of CA is prohibitively expensive.

Doing a startup this year in Texas, Sherman actually. Bigger, more complex plant, that is about 2/3 of the cost of the one in CA mostly due to labor. This is despite the higher capital cost for higher capacity equipment. Plus getting anything done CA is just painfully slow.

 

[kmac]

No offense Troll
My wife is an RN and does pretty well and we saved money over the years a bit. Also I have been selling lots of old parts I have here to keep some cash flowing, that and I do not own a car, my wife drives our 1 family car and my bike is my only transpo...we eat though.

My point was because I am not willing to lie, cheat, and stretch facts I am in a spot where I can no longer do my trade {just not physically possible} and can no longer receive any state help, work comp help, unemployment help....nothing. If were willing to lie then maybe there would be something. Not poor enough since my wife works for welfare {not that I want that} but not healthy enough to do my trade so my pension is dead, insurance benefits are gone....long list.

 

[troll]

No offense Troll
My wife is an RN and does pretty well and we saved money over the years a bit. Also I have been selling lots of old parts I have here to keep some cash flowing, that and I do not own a car, my wife drives our 1 family car and my bike is my only transpo...we eat though.

My point was because I am not willing to lie, cheat, and stretch facts I am in a spot where I can no longer do my trade {just not physically possible} and can no longer receive any state help, work comp help, unemployment help....nothing. If were willing to lie then maybe there would be something. Not poor enough since my wife works for welfare {not that I want that} but not healthy enough to do my trade so my pension is dead, insurance benefits are gone....long list.

Glad to hear this kmac. I lived in the Monterey Bay area for ten years - 80 to 90 and thought the state was or used to be beautiful. It was just way to many people for me so I moved back to the north.

 

[Dallara]

...California 2060 - The Only State Remaining That Has Oil & Good Weather

Be a little late for you to enjoy it, won't it?

And don't worry, Texas will still have plenty of oil, great weather, and all those tech companies that have been leaving California and moving to Texas! ::025::

Oh, and $5 will get you $10 that the only people who will ever actually buy one of those weird-o Elio things will be Californians! ::003::

Dallara



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