California sux....VS. Sriracha

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The wife bought a dozen bottles when she heard our supply might get cut off. I put the stuff on something every meal. It's my crack. Has been for years.

Believe our governor has offered them a home in Texas.
 

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California just seems hellbent on economic suicide.

Did you know that CA hasn't added a single net mile of highway since the 1970s, even though the population has practically doubled? They are also sitting on a shale oil deposit twice the size of the Bakken in N. Dakota, but I don't believe it will ever be extracted, even though it could practically solve all the states economic problems. Beautiful state, too bad about the political atmosphere out there. All simply IMHO of course...
 

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I am all for protecting the environment and not purposely endangering my home, earth. But Cali is just ridiculously protective. To the point of humans suffering at the expense of a toad, a rat, or even some milk weed....that is right, we protect our WEEDS here....just stupid sometimes.

If you read that article it is a complaint by 4 houses.....a whole city is ok with it, a business that employs 60-200 employees locally works INSIDE of that environment with all of those smells just fine, and the city where they used to have their business never had an issue with it....but 4 grumpy households whine and the city/state sues over it....lord knows we have no bigger issues going on to deal with in Cali that a tasty hot smell emanating through a neighborhood for a few weeks per year.

I mean it is not like we have illegal drug smuggling issues, crack houses, car theft rings, gang problems and any list of other serious issues....oh wait :mad:

I want to move....south America maybe. My wife is a Chilean citizen and the family owns an apartment down there as well as a beach, literally on the beach in Vina Del Mar/Valparaiso area that we could live in....her RN degree transfers to there with a basic test and I could fix motorcycles, scooters, outboards......I am IN !!!!!! My wife, not so much. ::005::
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I am all for protecting the environment and not purposely endangering my home, earth. But Cali is just ridiculously protective. To the point of humans suffering at the expense of a toad, a rat, or even some milk weed....that is right, we protect our WEEDS here....just stupid sometimes.
The milk weed is where the Monarch butterfly lays eggs. The Monarch and other butterflies play a huge roll in pollinating crops all across the US. That law is an attempt to protect the crops which are a huge income source in California. The Monarch population has seriously plummeted over the last few years as have other species of butterflies and bees. One of the main reasons is people mowing acres of land for no reason other than "it looks good". Also the corporate farms that plow and plant every square foot of land and leave no buffer zones. The Monarchs migration numbers are about 25% of what there were a couple of years ago. And there are the pesticides and herbicides that are killing off beneficial insects. We, as a species, are creating some serious problems for all life, including our own which will become painfully more obvious in the coming years.

For a look at an area that does little for the environment come to the coal fields of Appalachia. Unbelievable litter everywhere, mountain top removal that has to be seen from the air to comprehend and miles and miles of destroyed streams and ecosystems. Anyone living within five miles of a surface mine or fracking operation is very likely to lose their water quality and in some cases see the water table disappear completely. Animals exist for only for the pleasure of shooting, for no reason. Rare birds shot simply because they are different. And on. And no one seems to care.
 

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To me, you make my point....we have A LOT worse problems than crying about the smell of a factory that makes hot sauce that bothers 4 people.

Trust me, they do not need to close large areas of Glamis and Buttercup area to "save" the milkweed....it is everywhere out here. They are just using that as a reason to keep off roaders out of there.

You also highlight another Cali issue....the birds, bees and butterflies are dying off so don't cut down green areas, right? So then wild fires burn down the state and it all dies...including the humans.

It is a no win situation.

BTW, you are NOT riding a fossil fuel burning smog creating earth terrorizing Super Tenere are you? Murderer ::005:: ::26::
 

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I hope ALL these problems get fixed.

After I'm gone.
Won't be long, I promise.
So can I play and enjoy what still is awesome, for just a little bit longer?

Then yaw can do whatever yaw think will work. :)
 

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The milk weed is where the Monarch butterfly lays eggs. The Monarch and other butterflies play a huge roll in pollinating crops all across the US. That law is an attempt to protect the crops which are a huge income source in California. The Monarch population has seriously plummeted over the last few years as have other species of butterflies and bees. One of the main reasons is people mowing acres of land for no reason other than "it looks good". Also the corporate farms that plow and plant every square foot of land and leave no buffer zones. The Monarchs migration numbers are about 25% of what there were a couple of years ago. And there are the pesticides and herbicides that are killing off beneficial insects. We, as a species, are creating some serious problems for all life, including our own which will become painfully more obvious in the coming years.

For a look at an area that does little for the environment come to the coal fields of Appalachia. Unbelievable litter everywhere, mountain top removal that has to be seen from the air to comprehend and miles and miles of destroyed streams and ecosystems. Anyone living within five miles of a surface mine or fracking operation is very likely to lose their water quality and in some cases see the water table disappear completely. Animals exist for only for the pleasure of shooting, for no reason. Rare birds shot simply because they are different. And on. And no one seems to care.
::008:: +1 and yes kmac.... we are all part of the problem... and cali is one of the worst.... ::26:: ::26::
 

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Sat on the porch this morning with the wife, brother, and sister-n-law, having a cup of coffee.
We watched the Weiner dogs scare up a big rabbit. It hopped right passed us and into the safety of some unclaimed thick brush along the drive.
Right above us, a happy recently married couple of wrens, were busy building a new nest in the rafters that the porch swing is hanging from. Amazing that they ignored our movement and banter.
Oven timer went off and she returned with 4 saucers and forks and a nice egg & spinach breakfast pie. And yes, a big bottle of Siracha sauce!

Magnificent morning!
Maybe we are all part of some problem, as you put it. But we must be missing it. Just sitting here soaking up a little harmony with nature, as humans. Lol

Gonna go for a back country ride later. Predicting yet another glorious day on planet earth. :)
 

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Sat on the porch this morning with the wife, brother, and sister-n-law, having a cup of coffee.
We watched the Weiner dogs scare up a big rabbit. It hopped right passed us and into the safety of some unclaimed thick brush along the drive.
Right above us, a happy recently married couple of wrens, were busy building a new nest in the rafters that the porch swing is hanging from. Amazing that they ignored our movement and banter.
Oven timer went off and she returned with 4 saucers and forks and a nice egg & spinach breakfast pie. And yes, a big bottle of Siracha sauce!

Magnificent morning!
Maybe we are all part of some problem, as you put it. But we must be missing it. Just sitting here soaking up a little harmony with nature, as humans. Lol

Gonna go for a back country ride later. Predicting yet another glorious day on planet earth. :)
Yes Snake I agree that most of us here on the forum are getting our slice, maybe even with a healthy dash of Srirache sauce. I live in a pristine wilderness and from my front deck I see nothing but wilderness. It becomes much to easy to not see the big picture. Hard to see anything wrong out my front door
 

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Troll,
Im having a hard time seeing the nice view with all of those trees in the way.... :D

I also had a sausage, egg and Quattro Formaggio cheese omelet with some Sriracha on it....

Part of my issue with this ongoing story is that it is in Irwindale. Irwindale is seriously a commercial area, It is full of factories, warehouses, refineries and even a huge Miller Brewing plant and the Irwindale raceway....it is not a residential city and I feel like ANYONE who would choose to live in this large city that only has a population of 1400 people is kind of asking for some issue....you HAVE to know what you are buying or you are not to bright, not the factories that have always been there {I know Sriacha is newer in the neighborhood, but there are lots of plants there that put out some kind of odor including the pungent smell from Miller}

Buy under an airport flight path and then cry its noisey, buy next to a sewage refinery and then complain it smells..... ???
 

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I sometimes get to fly across this planet in a private aircraft. Might even be close to the ground, relative to Southwest Airlines. It always strikes me that the vast majority of the surface is usually quite nice. Amazing, in fact.
And then you approach some spot where there are a lot of us packed tightly. Sometimes incredibly dense. And yea, there we can sometimes make a mess of things. Just comes with the numbers.
Still, it's always encouraging to get to take in the vast area out there where our planet seems to be more than capable of defending itself.
I actually think we are a bit arrogant at times when we claim we can control the outcomes.
I suppose we CAN make things better or worse, to a degree. But this big ole living rock has weathered far worse than anything we have wrought on it.
And it's amazing how well it takes care of us, even when we are the problem.

Sorry about the optimism. It gets me in trouble from time to time.
Just finished my redneck tomato garden today. I'm a believer. Gotta bet with my brother I get a better yield than that fancy tilled garden he is working his butt off on. (wife ordering him around. Lol)

 

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"California Sucks" is a good motto that Californians spread. California wouldn't suck as bad if ya'll would stop moving here and expecting "streets of gold lined with orange trees". Its just a state a state that has:
- the highest and lowest points http://goo.gl/maps/WyTFW in the continental United States. Both are very accessible to the public.
- the Sriracha plant which the local home owners complain about. How would you feel if you discovered they were moving down the street from where you live?
- one of the BEST state park systems in the USA, though too expensive. And that comes from a person that retired from California State Parks.
- many of the Best Motorcycle Roads (voted on by riders) are in California. Greg what did you say when you rode this route http://goo.gl/maps/xrCKi . Personal favorite http://goo.gl/maps/3UIev
- half of Lake Tahoe, most of Death Valley, more Coastal exposure than any other state.
- shares border with Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico.
- many lakes that have been ruined by the needs of one city, Los Angeles.
- more Tribal Gambling Casino's than any other state (just guessing on this one)
- "OIL" yes we have oil and a lot of it is under some of the most expensive property in the world, Santa Barbara. Property that millions of people come to California visit. Again, do you want oil being drilled down the street from you? If you or your neighbors don't protect yourselves they can drill within one and one half derrick lengths of your property, and they will.
- "GOLD" yes we have gold and most of it is mined by another foreign country.
- very high sales taxes, mostly reasonable property taxes, and special taxes for almost anything you can think of.
- 80% of the Avocado industry and a high percentage of the major fruit and vegetables in the USA. If California vanished (abused by oil companies) ya'll would be very hungry.
- a high quality of life is available if you take advantage it.
- and so many more pluses.

Does "California Suck", yes and please spread the word.
 

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snakebitten said:
I sometimes get to fly across this planet in a private aircraft. Might even be close to the ground, relative to Southwest Airlines. It always strikes me that the vast majority of the surface is usually quite nice. Amazing, in fact.
And then you approach some spot where there are a lot of us packed tightly. Sometimes incredibly dense. And yea, there we can sometimes make a mess of things. Just comes with the numbers.
Still, it's always encouraging to get to take in the vast area out there where our planet seems to be more than capable of defending itself.
I actually think we are a bit arrogant at times when we claim we can control the outcomes.
I suppose we CAN make things better or worse, to a degree. But this big ole living rock has weathered far worse than anything we have wrought on it.
And it's amazing how well it takes care of us, even when we are the problem.

Sorry about the optimism. It gets me in trouble from time to time.
Just finished my redneck tomato garden today. I'm a believer. Gotta bet with my brother I get a better yield than that fancy tilled garden he is working his butt off on. (wife ordering him around. Lol)

Nicely said .....

We wouldn't be here if a mass extinction hadn't taken out the dinosaurs..... man kind wasn't here, can't blame them!!
I wonder what will follow the next mass extinction??

Species have come and gone since living organisms inhabited the planet, it will continue. Bye bye butterfly, turtle, blue bird, dart fish,...... man kind, ect. . .

Paul
 

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tomatocity said:
"California Sucks" is a good motto that Californians spread. California wouldn't suck as bad if ya'll would stop moving here and expecting "streets of gold lined with orange trees". Its just a state a state that has:
- the highest and lowest points http://goo.gl/maps/WyTFW in the continental United States. Both are very accessible to the public.
- the Sriracha plant which the local home owners complain about. How would you feel if you discovered they were moving down the street from where you live?
- one of the BEST state park systems in the USA, though too expensive. And that comes from a person that retired from California State Parks.
- many of the Best Motorcycle Roads (voted on by riders) are in California. Greg what did you say when you rode this route http://goo.gl/maps/xrCKi . Personal favorite http://goo.gl/maps/3UIev
- half of Lake Tahoe, most of Death Valley, more Coastal exposure than any other state.
- shares border with Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico.
- many lakes that have been ruined by the needs of one city, Los Angeles.
- more Tribal Gambling Casino's than any other state (just guessing on this one)
- "OIL" yes we have oil and a lot of it is under some of the most expensive property in the world, Santa Barbara. Property that millions of people come to California visit. Again, do you want oil being drilled down the street from you? If you or your neighbors don't protect yourselves they can drill within one and one half derrick lengths of your property, and they will.
- "GOLD" yes we have gold and most of it is mined by another foreign country.
- very high sales taxes, mostly reasonable property taxes, and special taxes for almost anything you can think of.
- 80% of the Avocado industry and a high percentage of the major fruit and vegetables in the USA. If California vanished (abused by oil companies) ya'll would be very hungry.
- a high quality of life is available if you take advantage it.
- and so many more pluses.

Does "California Suck", yes and please spread the word.
It sucks pretty bad. Don't go. Roads suck, gas is expensive, and the chicken sandwich from safeway will not make you sick at all, not one bit.

In the last two years, I've gone down for two good weeks of riding. Good is an understatement through and through.
 

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As I stated in the OP...if it weren't for the roads and the weather.....

BTW, I have MUCH worse than a Sriracha plant near me, I live on a smelly stagnant lake {see my location}...and my point was, the smelly industrial city was there LONG before Sriracha moved in...why did anyone even BUILD houses there.

But yes, Tomato, Cali definitely has its pros and its cons. I just wish people would focus on some of the "more important" issues. It boggles my mind the amount of time and money spent on minimal and even irrelevant things.

If Sriracha bought those 4 houses so those whiney people could just move to El Segundo or Lake Elsinore {Lake Smellsomemore} or Wilmington and breath some actually bad smells I would be happy to live in one of those horrible spicy pepper hot sauce smelling houses.

EAT MORE SRIRACHA....I stand by that. ::008::
 

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tomatocity said:
"California Sucks" is a good motto that Californians spread. California wouldn't suck as bad if ya'll would stop moving here and expecting "streets of gold lined with orange trees". Its just a state a state that has:
- the highest and lowest points http://goo.gl/maps/WyTFW in the continental United States. Both are very accessible to the public.
- the Sriracha plant which the local home owners complain about. How would you feel if you discovered they were moving down the street from where you live?
- one of the BEST state park systems in the USA, though too expensive. And that comes from a person that retired from California State Parks.
- many of the Best Motorcycle Roads (voted on by riders) are in California. Greg what did you say when you rode this route http://goo.gl/maps/xrCKi . Personal favorite http://goo.gl/maps/3UIev
- half of Lake Tahoe, most of Death Valley, more Coastal exposure than any other state.
- shares border with Oregon, Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico.
- many lakes that have been ruined by the needs of one city, Los Angeles.
- more Tribal Gambling Casino's than any other state (just guessing on this one)
- "OIL" yes we have oil and a lot of it is under some of the most expensive property in the world, Santa Barbara. Property that millions of people come to California visit. Again, do you want oil being drilled down the street from you? If you or your neighbors don't protect yourselves they can drill within one and one half derrick lengths of your property, and they will.
- "GOLD" yes we have gold and most of it is mined by another foreign country.
- very high sales taxes, mostly reasonable property taxes, and special taxes for almost anything you can think of.
- 80% of the Avocado industry and a high percentage of the major fruit and vegetables in the USA. If California vanished (abused by oil companies) ya'll would be very hungry.
- a high quality of life is available if you take advantage it.
- and so many more pluses.

Does "California Suck", yes and please spread the word.
Not to worry, it sounds like the word has already gotten out (quoted from the Manhattan Institute). Before you know it, you may have it all to yourself!:

"For decades after World War II, California was a destination for Americans in search of a better life. In many people’s minds, it was the state with more jobs, more space, more sunlight, and more opportunity. They voted with their feet, and California grew spectacularly (its population increased by 137 percent between 1960 and 2010). However, this golden age of migration into the state is over. For the past two decades, California has been sending more people to other American states than it receives from them. Since 1990, the state has lost nearly 3.4 million residents through this migration."

By the way, yes, I do have oil drilled down the street from me. I see those pumpjacks rythmically rising and falling and I see prosperity. It's all done quite tidily, and in a state that has known its share of hard times, for the most part we welcome it and smile when we talk about it. North Dakota now has the second highest median income in the nation, up from around 40th just eight years ago, solely because we now produce, and share with others (like yourself), the second highest oil and gas production in the nation (we just bumped California down to 3nd, even though CA has ten times more wells than we do). Those evil, abusive oil companies you seem to hate irrationally sure are making a lot of us rich around here. I'm sure some of the other 10 million well-paid employees of oil and gas companies nationwide probably aren't feeling too abused either. Unemployment in the county I live in is hovering around 2.0%. We're proud of that, justifiably so I think.

Perhaps you think the gasoline you pump in your bike is magically produced from deep within the the gas pumps where you fuel up. If you're going to criticize oil, why not be an ideological purist and do it in a less hypocritical way, say, by riding an electric bike or some such thing, or better yet, by giving up all petro-fueled vehicles completely? Then I can at least give some grudging respect for you talking the talk, and walking the walk. Energy drives economies, period. California's economy is in free-fall by all accounts, but I guess if you all choose to neglect new energy opportunities at the expense of your prosperity that's your choice. I guess tourism will become your lifeblood eventually, just like it is in Greece and other moribund economies. The sad part is that the poorest and least of you will continue to suffer the most as is usually the case in these things.
 

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Scoobynut said:
Not to worry, it sounds like the word has already gotten out (quoted from the Manhattan Institute). Before you know it, you may have it all to yourself!:

"For decades after World War II, California was a destination for Americans in search of a better life. In many people’s minds, it was the state with more jobs, more space, more sunlight, and more opportunity. They voted with their feet, and California grew spectacularly (its population increased by 137 percent between 1960 and 2010). However, this golden age of migration into the state is over. For the past two decades, California has been sending more people to other American states than it receives from them. Since 1990, the state has lost nearly 3.4 million residents through this migration."

By the way, yes, I do have oil drilled down the street from me. I see those pumpjacks rythmically rising and falling and I see prosperity. It's all done quite tidily, and in a state that has known its share of hard times, for the most part we welcome it and smile when we talk about it. North Dakota now has the second highest median income in the nation, up from around 40th just eight years ago, solely because we now produce, and share with others (like yourself), the second highest oil and gas production in the nation (we just bumped California down to 3nd, even though CA has ten times more wells than we do). Those evil, abusive oil companies you seem to hate irrationally sure are making a lot of us rich around here. I'm sure some of the other 10 million well-paid employees of oil and gas companies nationwide probably aren't feeling too abused either. Unemployment in the county I live in is hovering around 2.0%. We're proud of that, justifiably so I think.

Perhaps you think the gasoline you pump in your bike is magically produced from deep within the the gas pumps where you fuel up. If you're going to criticize oil, why not be an ideological purist and do it in a less hypocritical way, say, by riding an electric bike or some such thing, or better yet, by giving up all petro-fueled vehicles completely? Then I can at least give some grudging respect for you talking the talk, and walking the walk. Energy drives economies, period. California's economy is in free-fall by all accounts, but I guess if you all choose to neglect new energy opportunities at the expense of your prosperity that's your choice. I guess tourism will become your lifeblood eventually, just like it is in Greece and other moribund economies. The sad part is that the poorest and least of you will continue to suffer the most as is usually the case in these things.
Scoob - you keep referring to dollars as it is happiness. Call me next February or better yet follow Greg to California where we can ride for two weeks in sunshine and dry roads that aren't straight with 90 degree turns. Isn't ND the same as AK. You don't count how many years you have been there though how many winters. I have a longtime friend that just moved to Denver CO... from the small city of Sidney MT the sister site of the ND oil company. She had lived there for almost 20 years. She does thank the oil company for increasing the value of her home times three. And not a penny left in MT or ND where she shopped.

Don't get me wrong... you have a beautiful state and I hope to eventually visit it but it won't be during the Dark Months.

California 2060 - The Only State Remaining That Has Oil & Good Weather
 

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Scoob - you keep referring to dollars as it is happiness. Call me next February or better yet follow Greg to California where we can ride for two weeks in sunshine and dry roads that aren't straight with 90 degree turns. Isn't ND the same as AK. You don't count how many years you have been there though how many winters. I have a longtime friend that just moved to Denver CO... from the small city of Sidney MT the sister site of the ND oil company. She had lived there for almost 20 years. She does thank the oil company for increasing the value of her home times three. And not a penny left in MT or ND where she shopped.

Don't get me wrong... you have a beautiful state and I hope to eventually visit it but it won't be during the Dark Months.

California 2060 - The Only State Remaining That Has Oil & Good Weather
Fair enough, Tomato. Not all is sunshine and happiness in these parts either, mostly due, as you say, to the 6 month long winters, of which I have lived through many (there are snowflakes flying around as I type this!). As far as $=happiness, that's true in some cases, but in my experience the lack of $$$ certainly creates its own misery and despair. I guess my point is that if CA were to exploit the untapped energy wealth it possesses, it could lift hundreds of thousands, possibly in the millions, out of poverty in your state. From everything I've read about your state, it seems that economic policy is decided for the most part by wealthy elite who live near the coast, while the middle and lower classes continue to be squeezed out with little say -- or stake -- in their own future. It's always easy for those who already 'got theirs' to not worry so much about those who don't.

As to your last point about CA circa 2060, I'm not sure how CA will be able to secure a monopoly on Good weather by then. As to the oil, if it remains untouched by 2060 in CA, you might as well consider that it doesn't even exist. Recent analyses state that the Bakken and Three Forks oil formations of ND and MT are projected to produce beyond the year 2100 requiring three new generations of workers; additionally, there are 4 other formations of oil sandwiched in and around the Bakken and Three Forks that haven't even been drilled yet. By 2060 ND oil may be the sole source of fuel for your vintage Super Tenere! ::003::
 
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