BMW v YAMAHA

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u know im getting tired of people and reviews comparing the xt1200z to the gs1200 :mad:
THERE IS NO COMPARISON, the bmw is shit man, the super tenere looks miles better, rides miles better, handles miles better, and its a YAMAHA
wake up u idiots ::025:: ::025:: ::025:: ::025:: ::025::

I LUV MY SUPER FAST SUPER LOOKING SUPER TENERE, ive never liked the bmw and never wanted one, but when i saw the tenere i fell for it instantly 8)

:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) WAAAHAHAHAHAAA ::26:: ::008:: ::009::

just wanted to get that off my chest lol ::022::
 

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As far as I'm concerned, there's room in the market for everybody! Ride what you want. With competition in the class, the end result is better bikes for everybody, regardless of what brand they choose to ride.
 

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pluric said:
I just want to be clear on this, you do like the Yamaha?
::025:: ::025:: ::025:: ::008:: i do hahaha just a bit of banter, it brings a forum to life lol
 

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Re: BMW v YAMAHA

It looks like I will be buying my new S10 tomorrow, but I still adored the GS and it has been the best all round bike I have ever used. Certainly handled way better than the S10 I took for a test ride and felt faster too, but I see the potential so happy to take the plunge.

The main reason for the swap is for reliability reasons as I and friends had a series of issues with our GS bikes. ABS units, brake discs,.shocks etc all failing. The other reason is the smoothness of the S10 at high cruising speeds, as most of my miles are touring Europe with Sarah reach year. Usually 2 trips to the mountains and one other.

Happy to organise a trip to the Alps if anyone its interested. Could be a good fun way to socialise. 8)

Cheers,

Matt
 

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I've said it before........

Never really was attracted to big adventure bikes. But the S10 has influenced what I use a bike for more than any bike I have had in my 40 years of riding.

Because of that, I now realize the GS must be a bike I would have loved for many years past if I just wouldn't have been ignorant.

I might try to find me a GS 1100/1150 someday. Now that I finally "get it"!
 

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Monty said:
The main reason for the swap is for reliability reasons as I and friends had a series of issues with our GS bikes. ABS units, brake discs,.shocks etc all failing. The other reason is the smoothness of the S10 at high cruising speeds, as most of my miles are touring Europe with Sarah reach year. Usually 2 trips to the mountains and one other.

Cheers,
Matt
Happy motoring Matt,

My only observations with the S10 is it seems more dirt bike than street bike, but I am not such a fussy bastard and can adapt.
The only thing I can't seem to adapt to is things falling off failing and breaking. I hate it, car or bike. I have had my share, I decided 10 years ago to move the probable reliability to the top and if that checks out, go from there. No one particular brand or region was to blame either. Everyone makes crap sometimes, just some more than others.

If you are breaking an S10, I would say You are doing something weird and un natural to your bike.
I Don't mean to sound like a BMW shop but there are enough S10's out there to be pretty certain yours will be fine.

Despite a lot of the English press seeing "no point" in having a GS "clone" if they spent a bit more time thinking about it they may realise that it fits somewhere between the GS and KTM. They are all good things, and have different characteristics.

I know that YAMAHA have made sure that this bike is as un stressed as they think they can get away with.

I know that this will change as time goes on, in 10 years the new model will make 150HP and explode after 100,000km and be more fragile as the spec shoppers want more power, lighter etc.

I also get the sense that this YAMAHA is like the BMW's of old, Refined almost to the point of boring for the lap around the block demo ride. but will surprise you as time goes on with what it just does. It doesn't try and challenge you, but invites you to challenge the bike. It's sort of backwards to the way we have been trained.

But you can have fun on anything. It's up to you.

Check your spokes, every so often.

Cheers
Graham
 

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I have almost 1k miles on mine, and when I'm not riding the S10, I'm thinking about riding it and searching for goodies on the internet. I came off a 2007 honda VFR and feel the S10 is just about as capable on the street and its WAY more fun to ride. Maybe my opinion will change once I get it up into the Smokies this spring, but I doubt it. Everybody is saying the S10 does a lot better off road than on. If that is true I can't wait to get this thing on some dirt roads. Hopefully that happens in a few weeks!
 

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...tried many many BMW's -- never ever left me high n dry -- but one never knows.

NOW thee other german Iron I've owned -- VW/GTI turbo 5 speed 2003 and a 1999 Audi A6 were simply terrible autos.

Really REALLY terrible. So - for me, no more german vehicles. I am very happy and content with my SinisterBlack Yammy and my white S3 Trumpy.

There ya have it.
 

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The S10 is most likely my next bike... I'm coming from an F800GS that met a fateful demise at the end of last summer. I loved that bike. I put almost 15,000 miles on it in just over a year (and I live in Canada where we have winter for 4-6 months) with one minor issue covered under warranty and that did not leave me stranded.

I didn't even consider the S10 until the motorcycle show in Toronto at the beginning of the year and now it looks like it's a perfect match for my needs.
 

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BMW v YAMAHA

Spasm,

You are wrong. The GS is not shit. They are great bikes and without them the S10 wouldn't even exist.
 

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Kidder said:
Spasm,

You are wrong. The GS is not shit. They are great bikes and without them the S10 wouldn't even exist.
YOU are wrong, (well in my eyes anyway) we all have our opinion, i agree everyone has jumped on the ADVENTURE bandwagon, but i was merely sayin all the reviews, and people claiming the S10 and GS are on the same par, are way off.
the yamaha it far superior in all aspects as i pointed out in my earlier post.
this thread was never meant to offend anyone, if you read my post i said it was a bit of banter, just my opinion ::008::
 

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Re: BMW v YAMAHA

spasm said:
the yamaha it far superior in all aspects as i pointed out in my earlier post.
I guess all the comparison tests that say these two bikes are as closely matched as any they've ever tested are just all wrong. Like you say, it's all opinion. Everybody is entitled to think their dog is the smartest and their wife the prettiest. Of course, most realize also they're not seeing things very objectively.

- Mark
 

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Competition is good. Look at what improved from GS1150 to GS1200. Now that the market is being flooded with new models, each with their own design points, it'll force everyone to improve. The next major GS1200 revision will surprise everyone, I'm sure.

I honestly don't think you can say shit about any one of them, they'll all get you there and back, that's proven time and time again. There are outliers that fail, but for every one there's many many more that don't.

Just look at what those nutso V-Strom guys do ???

A lot is circumstantial. I could easily list my opinion on every bike, V-Strom and Versys are road touring bikes, 990 Adv. is more dirt oriented, GS1200 is more road oriented, S10 is somewhere in the middle, Tiger 800 has the 21inch front wheel, but will any owner actually care? Tiger 1200 is a biiiiiig bike. Every one of those statements is without actual evidence and is entirely worthless when judging the bikes.

some GS's have stress-fractured their swingarm, but some S10s are losing spokes and bending wheels.

In other words:

::002::

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Having owned a R100GS, a R1200GS and a F800GS. I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this. I would not call them $hit. Actually, I would call them stellar machines. Myself, I'm not a huge fan of the 1200 series. It has crossed a technical threshold, that at the moment I don't want to cross. But the R1150GS is legendary in it's ability to haul large loads great distances. One up, Two Up, pavement, dirt you name it.

I'm no fanboy. I have owned nine BMWs (at Least). Some have been great, some have sucked. I want a Super Tenere really bad. If yamaha had lived up to it's delivery date promise. I would already own one. Again given the circumstances I hold them blameless.

I see no good coming of the continual bashing of other makes no matter who they are. I see it over on ADV constantly with regard to Harleys. Why do we need to prove our superior intellect by deriding everyone else's choice of motorcycle. Ride what you want. And let others ride what they want. We're all motorcyclists for Christ's sake.

BMW got it's legendary status, by building a decent product. But also it came from the riders. On a R100GS you carried extra parts such as a diode board and other critical parts. When they broke we fixed them. Without whining about every little light bulb that flickers and goes out. It seems to be the new american way. Stand there and whine until somebody comes and helps you.

I think the Tenere is a superb effort on Yamaha's part. And I believe it will only get better. But when I see guys riding Teneres, Bashing BMW GS bikes, I compare it to a rookie baseball player telling Cal Ripken how to stay in the game. Time is the ultimate test. Were the better players than Ripken? Sure. How many have the legs.

My entire point in this, is. We as a country of basically decent people, need to get off this "Bashing Train". It's everywhere and it's not healthy. Democrats vs Republicans, Union vs Non Union, North vs South, Black vs White, Bikes vs Cars, Bikes vs Other Bikes. Grizzled Adventure Riders vs Starbucks Posers, Where does it end, and more importantly what purpose does it serve.

When I look for folks opinion on a bike I'm interested in. I don't want to hear the other bike sucks, I want to see and hear pictures and stories of "YOUR" bike, and the trips you've taken with it. And the great things it does. One of the things that always impresses me is seeing a R1150GS speedo picture at 100K or 150K or 200 K.

We all want to be proud of the bikes we own. We all want to believe we made the right choice when we bought them. The way, and the only way, to achieve that, is to ride the wheels off it. And prove to yourself it "IS" the right bike for you. Then tell us how much you love your bike.

Banter, it's what's for dinner. It's also a two way street. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong,

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LostViking said:
Having owned a R100GS, a R1200GS and a F800GS. I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this. I would not call them $hit. Actually, I would call them stellar machines. Myself, I'm not a huge fan of the 1200 series. It has crossed a technical threshold, that at the moment I don't want to cross. But the R1150GS is legendary in it's ability to haul large loads great distances. One up, Two Up, pavement, dirt you name it.

I'm no fanboy. I have owned nine BMWs (at Least). Some have been great, some have sucked. I want a Super Tenere really bad. If yamaha had lived up to it's delivery date promise. I would already own one. Again given the circumstances I hold them blameless.

I see no good coming of the continual bashing of other makes no matter who they are. I see it over on ADV constantly with regard to Harleys. Why do we need to prove our superior intellect by deriding everyone else's choice of motorcycle. Ride what you want. And let others ride what they want. We're all motorcyclists for Christ's sake.

BMW got it's legendary status, by building a decent product. But also it came from the riders. On a R100GS you carried extra parts such as a diode board and other critical parts. When they broke we fixed them. Without whining about every little light bulb that flickers and goes out. It seems to be the new american way. Stand there and whine until somebody comes and helps you.

I think the Tenere is a superb effort on Yamaha's part. And I believe it will only get better. But when I see guys riding Teneres, Bashing BMW GS bikes, I compare it to a rookie baseball player telling Cal Ripken how to stay in the game. Time is the ultimate test. Were the better players than Ripken? Sure. How many have the legs.

My entire point in this, is. We as a country of basically decent people, need to get off this "Bashing Train". It's everywhere and it's not healthy. Democrats vs Republicans, Union vs Non Union, North vs South, Black vs White, Bikes vs Cars, Bikes vs Other Bikes. Grizzled Adventure Riders vs Starbucks Posers, Where does it end, and more importantly what purpose does it serve.

When I look for folks opinion on a bike I'm interested in. I don't want to hear the other bike sucks, I want to see and hear pictures and stories of "YOUR" bike, and the trips you've taken with it. And the great things it does. One of the things that always impresses me is seeing a R1150GS speedo picture at 100K or 150K or 200 K.

We all want to be proud of the bikes we own. We all want to believe we made the right choice when we bought them. The way, and the only way, to achieve that, is to ride the wheels off it. And prove to yourself it "IS" the right bike for you. Then tell us how much you love your bike.

Banter, it's what's for dinner. It's also a two way street. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong,

ban·ter   [ban-ter]
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LostViking said:
Having owned a R100GS, a R1200GS and a F800GS. I feel somewhat qualified to comment on this. I would not call them $hit. Actually, I would call them stellar machines. Myself, I'm not a huge fan of the 1200 series. It has crossed a technical threshold, that at the moment I don't want to cross. But the R1150GS is legendary in it's ability to haul large loads great distances. One up, Two Up, pavement, dirt you name it.

I'm no fanboy. I have owned nine BMWs (at Least). Some have been great, some have sucked. I want a Super Tenere really bad. If yamaha had lived up to it's delivery date promise. I would already own one. Again given the circumstances I hold them blameless.

I see no good coming of the continual bashing of other makes no matter who they are. I see it over on ADV constantly with regard to Harleys. Why do we need to prove our superior intellect by deriding everyone else's choice of motorcycle. Ride what you want. And let others ride what they want. We're all motorcyclists for Christ's sake.

BMW got it's legendary status, by building a decent product. But also it came from the riders. On a R100GS you carried extra parts such as a diode board and other critical parts. When they broke we fixed them. Without whining about every little light bulb that flickers and goes out. It seems to be the new american way. Stand there and whine until somebody comes and helps you.

I think the Tenere is a superb effort on Yamaha's part. And I believe it will only get better. But when I see guys riding Teneres, Bashing BMW GS bikes, I compare it to a rookie baseball player telling Cal Ripken how to stay in the game. Time is the ultimate test. Were the better players than Ripken? Sure. How many have the legs.

My entire point in this, is. We as a country of basically decent people, need to get off this "Bashing Train". It's everywhere and it's not healthy. Democrats vs Republicans, Union vs Non Union, North vs South, Black vs White, Bikes vs Cars, Bikes vs Other Bikes. Grizzled Adventure Riders vs Starbucks Posers, Where does it end, and more importantly what purpose does it serve.

When I look for folks opinion on a bike I'm interested in. I don't want to hear the other bike sucks, I want to see and hear pictures and stories of "YOUR" bike, and the trips you've taken with it. And the great things it does. One of the things that always impresses me is seeing a R1150GS speedo picture at 100K or 150K or 200 K.

We all want to be proud of the bikes we own. We all want to believe we made the right choice when we bought them. The way, and the only way, to achieve that, is to ride the wheels off it. And prove to yourself it "IS" the right bike for you. Then tell us how much you love your bike.

Banter, it's what's for dinner. It's also a two way street. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong,
Well said, I like this post and applaud your view. I ride several different bikes, a cruiser, a maxi scooter, a sport tourer, an adventure bike and sometimes I drive my car which spends most of the time parked in my garage. I actually luv riding my maxi scooter more than any other bike a majority of the time, it's just so versatile and easy. Each bike though has certain elements and characteristics that I find appealing that one of my other bikes doesn't have.

Recently I and a mate a few month back were invited to a new HD store opening (remember this is in China) The weekend was atrocious weather wise, but we rode 400km one way (400km in China by motorcycle is nothing like 400km in USA or most developed countries!!!) and because of the weather we rode our maxi scoot's rather than take out bling looking cruisers which would have fit right in with the HD look. We rolled up a little late for the opening, but there we were on our scoot's. With the bad weather half the expected HD crowd had decided not to ride, and I don't blame them for that, but there was still a sizeable turn out.

My mate and I were apologetic that we'd ridden our maxi scoot's of all things and my mate was particularly embarrassed, but the Taiwanese American owner of the new HD franchise store wouldn't hear a word of it. He said, a bike is a bike is a bike... and we'd ridden on two wheels from so far when many wouldn't - he's spot on. We've all got, so many things in common and there is more that unites us than divides us... skin, bones, muscles, brains and anuses... life is short and seems like it's over in an instant - get over it. There are much bigger issues facing humanity than petty issues about who rides, what with whom or when. Instead of comparing my bollocks with yours, lets fight the real injustices in the world and celebrate the things that unite us all, which in this case is motorcycling and all that it brings to the table.

And one last thing...

::021::

just sayin...
 

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LostViking said:
I see no good coming of the continual bashing of other makes no matter who they are. I see it over on ADV constantly with regard to Harleys. Why do we need to prove our superior intellect by deriding everyone else's choice of motorcycle. Ride what you want. And let others ride what they want. We're all motorcyclists for Christ's sake..

My entire point in this, is. We as a country of basically decent people, need to get off this "Bashing Train". It's everywhere and it's not healthy. Democrats vs Republicans, Union vs Non Union, North vs South, Black vs White, Bikes vs Cars, Bikes vs Other Bikes. Grizzled Adventure Riders vs Starbucks Posers, Where does it end, and more importantly what purpose does it serve.

When I look for folks opinion on a bike I'm interested in. I don't want to hear the other bike sucks, I want to see and hear pictures and stories of "YOUR" bike, and the trips you've taken with it. And the great things it does. One of the things that always impresses me is seeing a R1150GS speedo picture at 100K or 150K or 200 K.


Banter, it's what's for dinner. It's also a two way street. Nobody's right, nobody's wrong,

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oh yeah i forgot,your sense of humour in the states, is no where near as good or funny as ours in the uk ::008:: lighten up girls i was just pissing about. ::025::
but the yamaha is better :-\ :)) :)) ::001:: ::015::
 

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spasm said:
oh yeah i forgot,your sense of humour in the states, is no where near as good or funny as ours in the uk ::008:: lighten up girls i was just pissing about. ::025::
but the yamaha is better :-\ :)) :)) ::001:: ::015::
::025:: ::025:: ::025:: ::026:: ::003::
 
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