Best reflash for'14ES
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Rodge
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::026:: I'm now working on my 3rd iteration of my own custom tune, surprisingly enough, it's somewhat conservative in the fist quarter (0% - 25%) of throttle movement, 1-1 in the 25%-75% and WOT by 88%, no need to break my wrist... If I wank the throttle in 1st gear well, I better hang on... Same throttle map applied to each gear.BVMark said:
For me it's all about throttle control, steady power application when leaning towards the apex and smooth acceleration out of the apex, engine braking I like and want so I'm removing a little bit of it in the lower and upper RPM.
1st flash was mode "S" CJM equivalent throttle map with little engine braking from the unrestricted file... interesting (fun at first) but not what I'm looking for... still jerky and hard on the brakes...
As far as the differences between 12-13 & 14, well the throttle maps are a bit more aggressive on the 14 combined with the minor engine mods may results in the unrestricted quotes I have been reading here and there on the forum.
***Note to Rasher, you're comments on what you were (are) looking for are exactly what I'm aiming for... did a tour of the Alps on a Ducati ST4s, coming out of the hairpin on the way up in 2nd gear was a bliss... Getting close...
As far as who as the best reflash for the '14 (or any models year) well, it is going to be the one able to offer you as close as what you're looking for...
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2013 here but had the same symptoms as BVMARK. Have nothing but good things to say. Anthony's reflash transformed the riding enjoyment 10 fold. Got rid of the "on off" throttle abruptness in both modes, Smoothed out T mode (thru all gears) and woke up the S mode. Best bang for the buck I've spent on it so far.
Never rode a '14 but from what I'm hearing the mod won't disapoint.
Never rode a '14 but from what I'm hearing the mod won't disapoint.
greg the pole
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people
didn't hear from you, that's allavc8130 said:
I'm very pleased with my flash...now all I have to do is get bored with my current tenere, and then get a new one.
craigd
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I just purchased the Flash Tune kit for my 2014 and will be starting to work on my maps. I am open to any advice or suggestions and also to collaborating with anyone who is doing the same.
Cheers,
Craig
Cheers,
Craig
Rodge
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Hello Craig, there is already a tread on this, http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=9123.0 I'm sure you'll get help and advices, somehow I'm surprised that there is no specific Flashtune user tread with file sharing... I just started using it, please with the results, not an expert but it's no black magic... can always PM me.craigd said:
Cheers
fjrden
Member
Must look for one in the UK/Ireland for my 2014. I live in Northern Ireland and don't know of any so itll be over to mainland or Europe,
craigd
Member
Okay friends, here is my first attempt at a throttle map for my 2014. This is very similar to the FlashTune unrestricted map except that I compressed the throttle values to get WOT with less turn on the grip. This feels much better than stock, but seems like maybe there is more throttle than the engine can handle at lower RPMs. The second one is what I am thinking about trying next to reduce throttle a bit at lower RPMs. Does anyone have any thoughts?
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Several options if you post your ECU.fjrden said:
If you come to the mainland CJS racing can do a custom setup on the dyno like they did on my 2011 and map each cylinder independently for fuel and spark which should make a much bigger difference than a generic flash. It will set you back £425 and takes about half a day or so, but what you end up with is a perfectly running bike, they also map the closed loop area which I do not think all flash vendors can alter and this gives a nicer part throttle response as in stock trim it is mega weak in this area.
Don't be surprised if you get very few responses, as this is not like having LOTS of sport bike owners who are all trying to eake out the last horse on their own and sharing in what they find. For the Tenere, there are only a few guys like you and Rodge who are basically playing, in doing this on your own. You probably already have more in this financially than most people would pay Tony to do it, which is great if it is what you enjoy.craigd said:
Tony/AVC8130, Flashtune, and others are selling a service and specific knowledge that they've accumulated through hundreds of combinations.
fjrden
Member
Thanks Rasher. You have been good help. I will have a look where they are based see about availability etc and possibility a midweek break.
Chat soon.
Chat soon.
Ostion
New Member
I wanted to bring this back to life, see if there had been any success stories in the last 10 months.
I like my ST ES '14, but would like to address 2 issues. Lower gear restrictions and S mode super sensitive response. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have approached ECUnleashed here in CA for an ECU re-flash and have been quoted $449 all in. I am not a good mechanic/technician at all so I need a plug and play type of thing where I won't have to be trying to adjust it later on my own.
I wouldn't mind paying $449 to get these issues fixed, but will they?
BY the way I do have an Arrow slip on.
I like my ST ES '14, but would like to address 2 issues. Lower gear restrictions and S mode super sensitive response. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have approached ECUnleashed here in CA for an ECU re-flash and have been quoted $449 all in. I am not a good mechanic/technician at all so I need a plug and play type of thing where I won't have to be trying to adjust it later on my own.
I wouldn't mind paying $449 to get these issues fixed, but will they?
BY the way I do have an Arrow slip on.
Chuck B
New Member
Id suggest contacting AVC8130 and discussing it with him. He uses the same software as ECUnleashed but is willing to adjust a flash for the individual (lots of options) at significantly less cost.Ostion said:
Ostion
New Member
Yes, I sent him a PM but he may not have seen it yet.
Thanks anyway.
Thanks anyway.
Oh yea... AVC8130 did my 2014 ES and I love the outcome! It's new bike! WhaHoo! And at $225 a bargain too!
WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
I have the Flash Tune on my '15 ES, what are the differences to what ACV8130 does? Any advantages?Brick said:
Not having any other reflash I don't know the differences... I just know that what I got from AVC8130 is GREAT and I only paid $225.
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pooh and xtine
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I had what was euphemistically called an ecu remap on my 2014 ST by a cowboy outfit here in the UK (Rasher will know of them from the UK GSer forum). I could detect no difference in how the bike rode after the remap so I had it removed (assuming it was there in the first place) and got a refund. I then tried a couple of O2 eliminators for £20 or so.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/o2-Oxygen-Lambda-Sensor-Eliminator-Yamaha-XTZ-1200-Super-Tenere-2011-2014-/221350508825?hash=item338984b919:g:LpoAAOSw7ThUnXd6
It's much better to ride now – no more surging on a constant throttle, easier to control at low speeds, smoother off/on throttle transition and so far no discernible impact on fuel consumption. Clearly it's not as technically an ideal solution as a proper remap (such as one from CJS Racing, Bristol or Track Electronics near Norwich), but for the cost it's a great value improvement.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/o2-Oxygen-Lambda-Sensor-Eliminator-Yamaha-XTZ-1200-Super-Tenere-2011-2014-/221350508825?hash=item338984b919:g:LpoAAOSw7ThUnXd6
It's much better to ride now – no more surging on a constant throttle, easier to control at low speeds, smoother off/on throttle transition and so far no discernible impact on fuel consumption. Clearly it's not as technically an ideal solution as a proper remap (such as one from CJS Racing, Bristol or Track Electronics near Norwich), but for the cost it's a great value improvement.
A few things t bear in mind.
With the Gen1's a huge gain is had from de-restricting the lower gears - far less restriction on the 2014's mean less gains from just altering throttle maps, and both generations will make further gains from dyno time and optimising the map for your bike.
The throttle maps themselves can be a personal kind of thing, I was not overly keen on the ECU Unleashed snatchy response - many flash providers ramp up the throttle maps to give the impression of a bigger improvement.
After having the custom CJS map the dyno showed some good gains, the bike felt much smoother, the surge was eliminated - however the low down felt less urgent purely due to how much more the throttle needed opening (The dyno had proved no loss anywhere on WOT) but it is now wonderfully controllable and linear, I am certain with more fiddling a better throttle map could be found - but this will be different for everyone.
I would guess AVC8130 has done as many flashes as any other vendor and messed about a lot with his own bike, plus had a lot of feedback from the owners he has done flashes for - he probably has a better idea of what "feels" right on the road for most riders than anyone else.
With the Gen1's a huge gain is had from de-restricting the lower gears - far less restriction on the 2014's mean less gains from just altering throttle maps, and both generations will make further gains from dyno time and optimising the map for your bike.
The throttle maps themselves can be a personal kind of thing, I was not overly keen on the ECU Unleashed snatchy response - many flash providers ramp up the throttle maps to give the impression of a bigger improvement.
After having the custom CJS map the dyno showed some good gains, the bike felt much smoother, the surge was eliminated - however the low down felt less urgent purely due to how much more the throttle needed opening (The dyno had proved no loss anywhere on WOT) but it is now wonderfully controllable and linear, I am certain with more fiddling a better throttle map could be found - but this will be different for everyone.
I would guess AVC8130 has done as many flashes as any other vendor and messed about a lot with his own bike, plus had a lot of feedback from the owners he has done flashes for - he probably has a better idea of what "feels" right on the road for most riders than anyone else.