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Oh hell... they will never bring that over here to the USA... it's way too cool! Damn, that looks great!
I ain't buying it.
Well, what I mean is I AM buying it when it's buyable.
But I ain't buying that it is.
Wicked though, ain't it?
Well, what I mean is I AM buying it when it's buyable.
But I ain't buying that it is.
Wicked though, ain't it?
Those tires look like fun - lifespan be damned!!!
kmac
Kelly kmac
I see a 25% chance of that ever coming here and maybe 35% chance Yamaha will ever build it....that said, I will stand in line, camp out at a dealership, buy someone a Lobster dinner, donate one of my nuts to science...what ever it takes to talk them into building that bike!!!!!
No ABS....NO TC....6+ gallon fuel cap....Tubeless....firm but comfy dirt biased seat {think early bmw R80GS/R100} ....simple gauges....SOLD
No ABS....NO TC....6+ gallon fuel cap....Tubeless....firm but comfy dirt biased seat {think early bmw R80GS/R100} ....simple gauges....SOLD
greg the pole
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I talked to the local dealer on friday...
I doubt the 9 motor will get stuffed in a small tenere.
More likely the new twin will be used.
He talked to the yamaha rep...who in turn said nothing and denied nothing....
I doubt the 9 motor will get stuffed in a small tenere.
More likely the new twin will be used.
He talked to the yamaha rep...who in turn said nothing and denied nothing....
The twin might be a more sensible motor to put in a littler Tenere... but wouldn't it be booooorrrrrrrinnnnnnnggggg? The Triple, tuned for low-down torque (and I gather it already has quite a bit in its current tune) would be nearly as good off road as the twin, and nearly as light, but a shitload more fun when you want to let it rip... wouldn't you think?
The only real downside to the triple compared to the twin is fuel economy. I gather the twin is very good, the triple, pretty average. In fact no better than the 1200? Owners please verify...
The only real downside to the triple compared to the twin is fuel economy. I gather the twin is very good, the triple, pretty average. In fact no better than the 1200? Owners please verify...
Yea dcstrom, if Yamaha had just a bit of sudden KTM attitude and decided to make a little noise, they'd go for it. Sure the twin is more sensible. And would be a great bike, knowing Yamaha. But going for the jugular would shake things up. A smaller lighter faster Tenere. Woohoo!
kmac
Kelly kmac
I feel similar.
The twin at 689cc {?} would just be a bit minimal for a serious middle weight contender. Go for the jugular and hit that triple.
Greg has the FZ09 and I rode it for a bit, GREAT motor as is for a DS bike. It already has soft tunes programmed in and as stated cam/tune....whatever it takes to get it in the grunt zone would be easy.
Why settle for decent, good, ok, nice.....I want BAD ASS
Hello ::022:: are you listening?
Here is the recipe...
The twin at 689cc {?} would just be a bit minimal for a serious middle weight contender. Go for the jugular and hit that triple.
Greg has the FZ09 and I rode it for a bit, GREAT motor as is for a DS bike. It already has soft tunes programmed in and as stated cam/tune....whatever it takes to get it in the grunt zone would be easy.
Why settle for decent, good, ok, nice.....I want BAD ASS
Hello ::022:: are you listening?
Here is the recipe...
There are 2 different pics heres the other non Crosser I presume
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/302510/images/YAMAHA%20MT-09%20TRIPLE%20TENERE%20CONCEPT.jpg
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/302510/images/YAMAHA%20MT-09%20TRIPLE%20TENERE%20CONCEPT.jpg
ec90t
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The problem with using the 09 engine/platform for a ADV bike is packaging. The 850cc triple gets the same economy as the Tenere. To make the bike so it has any range, it would have to incorporate at least a 6 gallon tank. The FZ-09 only has a 3.7 gallon tank. All the artist concept pics show the bike with the same tank shape as the FZ-09. Some how you would have to figure out how to double the capacity of the tank and not overwhelm the rest of the bike. Let me know how that turns out.
The MT-07 platform will make a nice replacement for the aging 660. Maybe Yamaha will even see fit to sell this one State side.
On a side note, Yamaha has copy written the name "FJ-09" for use here in the States. I see a nice middle weight sport tourer here in the very near future.
The MT-07 platform will make a nice replacement for the aging 660. Maybe Yamaha will even see fit to sell this one State side.
On a side note, Yamaha has copy written the name "FJ-09" for use here in the States. I see a nice middle weight sport tourer here in the very near future.
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That red one is a fine looking bike.
I can't pretend that I know anything more than it looks good. Let's keep this Adventure market growing so we have more options.
I can't pretend that I know anything more than it looks good. Let's keep this Adventure market growing so we have more options.
Toto
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I think that they would go the 700 twin , chain drive route also.
A lighter then Super 10, 900 ,would probably put too much pressure on the Ten.
If they went shaft and cruise, it would not be much cheaper and would probably make the Ten redundant at that level of equipment.
A lighter then Super 10, 900 ,would probably put too much pressure on the Ten.
If they went shaft and cruise, it would not be much cheaper and would probably make the Ten redundant at that level of equipment.
greg the pole
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people
To take that 9 motor and stuff it in a tenere frame would be a bit much.
Conventional sump hangs low, the exhaust hangs low, it would have to be hella-tall.
The motor itself is completely bonkers. not in a bad way, but in a really good way.
stuff the new twin in a light frame, 21/18 wheels, ABS as an option or very least switchable, decent suspenders and off we go.
The 7 motor is not fly by wire, but conventional throttle (again good). Who would not want 70 or so hp, and 50 ft lb of torque in a 450 LB Trailie that's cheap ish.. (I'm guessing $9500 in the US OF A) AND 10500 In Kanukistan...
MAKE IT SO YAMAHA ::024::
Here's a crazy idea...maybe we should start a rant/petition to Yamaha....
Conventional sump hangs low, the exhaust hangs low, it would have to be hella-tall.
The motor itself is completely bonkers. not in a bad way, but in a really good way.
stuff the new twin in a light frame, 21/18 wheels, ABS as an option or very least switchable, decent suspenders and off we go.
The 7 motor is not fly by wire, but conventional throttle (again good). Who would not want 70 or so hp, and 50 ft lb of torque in a 450 LB Trailie that's cheap ish.. (I'm guessing $9500 in the US OF A) AND 10500 In Kanukistan...
MAKE IT SO YAMAHA ::024::
Here's a crazy idea...maybe we should start a rant/petition to Yamaha....
I haven't ridden the FZ09 but sitting on one last Friday I noticed the engine is wider and taller than the S10's which would seriously hamper the offroad capabilities of a proposed MidVentureBike. While the performance of the triple can be controlled in any number of fashions, the physics of positioning it in a chassis and making it work may be too much.
Make mine a twin, bore out the 689cc to 750, chain drive, ABS and drive modes only. Analog dash. Keep it close to 400lbs. Where do I sign?
Make mine a twin, bore out the 689cc to 750, chain drive, ABS and drive modes only. Analog dash. Keep it close to 400lbs. Where do I sign?
greg the pole
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people
can you have selectable modes on a conventional throttle? or is fly by wire needed for TC/cruise applications only?BaldKnob said:
kmac
Kelly kmac
While I agree, the 7 would be a great replacement for the 660....I do not want a 450lb 70hp dirt wanna be. If they got the ST7 made and down to under 400# I would consider it, but at 450# it better have more ponies.
I agree that an ST 09 could conflict with the existing ST1200, but not really imo. I would like a smooth motor and 21/18" wheels and as light as possible...basically I want a KTM 990 Adv but made by Yami and reliable.
Don't care about shaft drive, ABS, TC, CC.....blah blah blah
I disagree that the motor is too wide. The head and barrel area is wider for sure, but I never felt it a problem on Gregs. The trans area where your feet are is fine and the bike felt narrower overall that my S-Ten.
I would agree that the sump is low, oh well, a good skid will solve most of that damage wise, and long legs solve the rest...I am fine with reasonably tall bikes.
Pipes being low is easily remedied....CAT and muffs under tail?
Fuel capacity is an issue but having a second tank under tail/seat has been done on some BMWs, Husky, KTMs...easy solution.
I want a bike with a big enough, heavy enough motor to sustain hours of hiway miles when necessary smoothly, but light enough overall to be comfortable in rougher, tighter, squirrelier terrain like single track with rocks, sand and mud and no silly frills.
Build them all Yamaha !!!! ST-07, ST-09, ST1200 and what the heck, throw in a WR450FRX...I hate narrow minded business plans....Yamaha needs to hire some people from KTM and learn that niches can be profitable!
And btw, whoever said that the 09 is not viable because it gets the same fuel economy as the big Ten....anyone who ride a motorcycle specifically because of mileage should buy a scooter and forget bikes....for me, it is "SMILES per gallon" not miles per gallon. I want power and performance 1st....economy is a low factor for me.
I agree that an ST 09 could conflict with the existing ST1200, but not really imo. I would like a smooth motor and 21/18" wheels and as light as possible...basically I want a KTM 990 Adv but made by Yami and reliable.
Don't care about shaft drive, ABS, TC, CC.....blah blah blah
I disagree that the motor is too wide. The head and barrel area is wider for sure, but I never felt it a problem on Gregs. The trans area where your feet are is fine and the bike felt narrower overall that my S-Ten.
I would agree that the sump is low, oh well, a good skid will solve most of that damage wise, and long legs solve the rest...I am fine with reasonably tall bikes.
Pipes being low is easily remedied....CAT and muffs under tail?
Fuel capacity is an issue but having a second tank under tail/seat has been done on some BMWs, Husky, KTMs...easy solution.
I want a bike with a big enough, heavy enough motor to sustain hours of hiway miles when necessary smoothly, but light enough overall to be comfortable in rougher, tighter, squirrelier terrain like single track with rocks, sand and mud and no silly frills.
Build them all Yamaha !!!! ST-07, ST-09, ST1200 and what the heck, throw in a WR450FRX...I hate narrow minded business plans....Yamaha needs to hire some people from KTM and learn that niches can be profitable!
And btw, whoever said that the 09 is not viable because it gets the same fuel economy as the big Ten....anyone who ride a motorcycle specifically because of mileage should buy a scooter and forget bikes....for me, it is "SMILES per gallon" not miles per gallon. I want power and performance 1st....economy is a low factor for me.
greg the pole
There are no stupid questions, only stupid people
screw it!
I had 10 minutes to kill.
http://thetenerist.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/build-it-yamaha-and-we-will-buy-it-a-start-of-discussion-for-a-smaller-tenere/
I had 10 minutes to kill.
http://thetenerist.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/build-it-yamaha-and-we-will-buy-it-a-start-of-discussion-for-a-smaller-tenere/