I'm thinking about something more like the Lard Ass. . . . 30 minutes to the nearest ice cream store. I've done 12hr days, just didn't go very far.Maybe you should attempt a ride the Ironbutt association calls the Dusty Butt, . . . .
And? Most people take 16-18 hours. Most of my 1k days were at slower speeds than that. A few at higher speeds due to location and higher legal speed limit. Long days have nothing to do with speed. It's about managing your time. I can hop on just about anything and do a 1k day, it's just a matter of how long it's going to take. I did one last Sept on my 150 cc scooter. It took 22 hours.To do 1000 miles at 70mph is 14 hours. And that is without rest stops.
Interesting video. No doubt these Officers can ride and not taking anything from em.... Id personelly consider that more of riding a wet road vs an actual rain day IMHO. BUT as a guy who has chosen a mc as daily transportation since around 1989ish over cages Ive had more than a few rain, snow, bad weather days under my belt. Alot of the stuff portrayed in the video is what you DONT do. You dont make a habit of riding the center of lanes where oil from cages collect which is most for em (especially rain days). You dont ride back and forth across wet and slippery road markings (including manhole covers). Unless of course a low side is in your plans for the day.Bit of ballet to maintain safe progress
These days the centre of the lane has little to no oil, except in the Philippines. I am not sure how many days of rain they had just had, but they would be aware.Interesting video. No doubt these Officers can ride and not taking anything from em.... Id personelly consider that more of riding a wet road vs an actual rain day IMHO. BUT as a guy who has chosen a mc as daily transportation since around 1989ish over cages Ive had more than a few rain, snow, bad weather days under my belt. Alot of the stuff portrayed in the video is what you DONT do. You dont make a habit of riding the center of lanes where oil from cages collect which is most for em (especially rain days). You dont ride back and forth across wet and slippery road markings (including manhole covers). Unless of course a low side is in your plans for the day.
Not sure. The paint used is anti-slip, although that does degrade over time.Yeah, maybe their paint isn't slippery like ours. I don't know if the markings are worse when wet, or when they are first laid down, and all the tiny glass beads are still on the road. I'm guessing they have some damn good rain tires.
Do 1000 miles in under 24hrs on a dirt bike and and it's uncomfortable no matter how you slice it. I talked to a guy half my age who was doing a Canada to South America almost all off road (KTM 500EXC). He said he did no more than 300 miles or so a day on his bike. Even on the long pavement hauls.The point that most people miss that haven't done long days in the saddle on a regular basis is that this doesn't need to be uncomfortable. The point is to sort your ride so it's not uncomfortable, then find a process for gas stops that works well for you and stick to it every time so it becomes routine.
Absolutely. And that does not change whether it is a bike, car or a truck. High mileage can cause severe fatigue and that affects not only the driver/rider but those they encounter. Obviously the USA has less densely populated roads but it has very high death stats compared to other first world countries. The driving test is very basic, which reflects in the numbers killed.Do 1000 miles in under 24hrs on a dirt bike and and it's uncomfortable no matter how you slice it. I talked to a guy half my age who was doing a Canada to South America almost all off road (KTM 500EXC). He said he did no more than 300 miles or so a day on his bike. Even on the long pavement hauls.
The biggest challenge as far as comfort is alertness, motor skills, and reflexes. When you start peeling off 1000+ mile days you have to do "bit sleep" stops to rest your brain and body. As you age it's harder to do. A lot of riders want to think they are alert but the fact is reflexes and thinking skills deteriorate when you are in the saddle for 16+ hours. There is no way around it. You can adjust your riding for it but it is there.
You can eat, hydrate, rest, and repeat. It helps but it is in no way going to have you in the condition you would be if you stopped at 500 miles for the day.
Well said Phil. I also wanted to reply, but couldn’t be bothered. Thank you for articulating.Some of that is called "late apexing" to see better.
Yes. We call it "limit point" and Pos 1 gives earlier view and warning on approach to a right hander and vice versa
Crossing the center line, might be fine for a LEO, everyone else gets a citation for that, AND it's fooking stupid. Never, ever cross the center line on a public road unless it's an emergency. Not your space and you're not expected to be there. If you "need" to do that for safely, you're out riding your ability, the road and the conditions. And that's just at 1:39 in to the vid. 'straitening the bend... Lazy MF.
Before straightening the bend they would be using a 100% visual scan to determine that they will not cause another road user to change speed or direction as a result of their actions. Earlier observation of possible hazards leads to earlier preparation.
Unless it's an emergency? I am wondering how you ever overtake Eric?
I'd be beating him with a pipe and asking him if he wants me to 'slow down' or stop. Again, a violation of the traffic code anywhere in the US. You're not on a race track, you're on the street, and he's not running codes and in pursuit. Bad form.
Seems a little excessive.
Failure to obey a traffic control device. Those boys would be dead in a week riding like that in the US on a similar road. Some group of college kids in a tri tone (rust, primer and fading paint), Caddy would wipe them off the road. And any civilian riding like that and witnessed by a LEO would be cited for multiple violations.
This is in the UK. What traffic control device did they ignore?
2 freaking seconds A-hole! Stop tailgating the rider in front of you.
99% of the time the lead rider is in Pos 1 and the other in Pos 3.
And notice the complete lack of the following rider to maintain distance when the leading rider slows at an intersection.
They are both subject to the same observation links, therefore the following rider would be fully aware of the actions of the lead.
"Safely using all of the road" You don't get "all of the road", you get all of your lane. Different country, different rules.
Perfectly safe to use all the road if 100% safe to do so - if it is safe to overtake, it is safe to use all the road, sans vehicle.
Ride your own ride, don't follow the lead rider out into a pass.
Before they attempt an overtake they use the Thirds Rule and have a place to "Land" before they do so. I saw nothing to indicate they did otherwise.
Sloppy, lazy and poor form. Night stick to the shins and no more moto duty for you. This is the difference between training and LEO I can do what you aren't allowed to do training. If you can't stay in your own lane, you don't belong on the street. Car, bike or bicycle. All are required to follow the rules of the road. If I watched this as their boss, both riders would be on foot patrol forever. AND it would be a training video all right, on what not to do for 80% of it. Crap following distance throughout, multiple violations of vehicle code for no reason.
Are you aware that the US send their best and brightest for Roadcraft training? It is recognised worldwide by police forces.
You have 80% of your dry traction in the wet on most anything but slick tires. I rode in the rain for 40+ years almost daily. Traction isn't an issue. Got to hate those California paint lines and wide arrows though. slicker then deer guts on a door knob.
Yes, they are fully aware. UK police will always endeavour to leave 10% in reserve: accellerating, braking, cornering, etc.
There are tid bits of good stuff there. But honestly, if I was riding with those two and witnessed that riding style, I would tell them in clear terms that I would never ride with either of them again, and that they need to take some training classes and grow the hell up and learn to stay in their own lane. If they felt the need to share the lane with opposing traffic, they really should have been running codes. Illegal pass on double line.
You may well be a better rider than them, it is not impossible/improbable. However, they are extremely highly trained, where their mind goes before anything follows.
This is fine for a LEO training vid, but completely unacceptable for a public riding vid. "as a police rider making progress" is a telling statement. A large majority of that behavior would get a civilian rider cited and asked "where's the fire". I was just making progress wouldn't cut it for an answer.
I am not a particularly competent rider (except for my level of observation, etc), but if I was coaching a competent driver and they had driven in the same manner I would have no problem with it, except following distance. The Pos 1 and 3 for bikes is fine as they will brake in a straight line and not come into conflict.
I've ridden with jerks like that. You may think this is harsh, but I really don't care. That's a shit show of bad riding form.
No, I do not think it harsh. Just incorrect, given the level of their training and the different rules in the UK.
They never once caused a vehicle to change speed or direction through their actions. If they were to do so I would agree wholeheartedly. The reason they are crossing the centre line is for superior vision and an earlier indication of what is happening ahead. The position can be slightly over the line or fully offside depending on the situation - BUT it is only done when 100% safe and without causing another motorist to change speed or direction. An earlier indication in your visual scanning process affords earlier response, leading to earlier control on entry.The Two highly trained motocops vid is an embarrassment. Anyone crossing the center line that many times should be stopped and given a sobriety test... Not to mention hugging the center line when unnecessary and opposing traffic has to deal with the riders lack of manners. Good grief!
Although I have to admit I only watched about 4 minutes before I had seen enough to know they are either NOT highly trained, or their just jerks.