21" front wheel for the Super Tenere.

[woodys wheel works]

Re: I got the new single disc 21" front set up and installed today.

Greg,

Why do you feel the cylinder may need changing? Is it because you feel it will apply too much hydraulic pressure to the lighter rolling mass and be overly sensitive to input?

Mike

hi mike,,,since wasp-man is asleep at the wheel while we figure out what's what LOL,,,don't know what's so interesting ''down there'',,we wrapped up getting all the data to reconfigure the Superlite hub and left hand spacer to accept the oem sensor holder as well as where to locate the sensor ring within our hub,,have a simple solution,,, we'll keep ya posted

regardin gyour question about the effeects of goin gfrom dual to single disc,,,i'll give ya asimple analogy,,it's like a lever/fulcrum,,,you try to lift something on one end and ya have a lever arm on the other end...so ,,if ya have a i yard arm picking up 100 lbs and you have a one yard lever you will have a 1:1 ratio,,ie you will have to push down with 100 lbs on the leber to get the 100 lbs object you are lifting to move the same distanc down as you are lifin gup,,now if your lever arm were 2 yards long ,,you will only need 50 lbs to to lift the 100lb object,,you will have to push it twice as far though

we;;,,,the same thing applies in principle to fluid mechanics,,,they use the same idea but modify it like this,,if you want 100lbs of pressure applied to a master cylinder piston that is 1square inch in area you will exert 100lbs of pressure on the slave cylinder it too will exert 100lbs of pressure on the disc if the slave cylinder is one square inch in diameter now if the area of the slave cylinder is twice as big as the master cylinder ,,well that makes the master cylinder be capable of squezzing /applying twice as much force with twice as much pressur om thr the slave cylinder ,,the dilemna is now your hand lever has to be squeezed twice as far ,,just like the earlier example

the problem with wasp-man is that he is removing half of the total area from the equation that provided you all with the kind of pressure the manufacturer figured out would be optimal for you all,,, this will have to be re-configured i see a smaller diameter piston on th emaster cylinder as part of his solution
w

 

[DuMar]

Re: I got the new single disc 21" front set up and installed today.

hi mike,,,since wasp-man is asleep at the wheel while we figure out what's what LOL,,,don't know what's so interesting ''down there'',,we wrapped up getting all the data to reconfigure the Superlite hub and left hand spacer to accept the oem sensor holder as well as where to locate the sensor ring within our hub,,have a simple solution,,, we'll keep ya posted

regardin gyour question about the effeects of goin gfrom dual to single disc,,,i'll give ya asimple analogy,,it's like a lever/fulcrum,,,you try to lift something on one end and ya have a lever arm on the other end...so ,,if ya have a i yard arm picking up 100 lbs and you have a one yard lever you will have a 1:1 ratio,,ie you will have to push down with 100 lbs on the leber to get the 100 lbs object you are lifting to move the same distanc down as you are lifin gup,,now if your lever arm were 2 yards long ,,you will only need 50 lbs to to lift the 100lb object,,you will have to push it twice as far though

we;;,,,the same thing applies in principle to fluid mechanics,,,they use the same idea but modify it like this,,if you want 100lbs of pressure applied to a master cylinder piston that is 1square inch in area you will exert 100lbs of pressure on the slave cylinder it too will exert 100lbs of pressure on the disc if the slave cylinder is one square inch in diameter now if the area of the slave cylinder is twice as big as the master cylinder ,,well that makes the master cylinder be capable of squezzing /applying twice as much force with twice as much pressur om thr the slave cylinder ,,the dilemna is now your hand lever has to be squeezed twice as far ,,just like the earlier example

the problem with wasp-man is that he is removing half of the total area from the equation that provided you all with the kind of pressure the manufacturer figured out would be optimal for you all,,, this will have to be re-configured i see a smaller diameter piston on th emaster cylinder as part of his solution
w

Thanks, Woody.

Love watching these mods come together. Awesome job! ::026::

Mike

 

[Waspworks]

Nah, asleep at the computer...

While Woody's been eating, drinking, shitting, and sleeping : I decided to measure and model the front wheel assembly for the ABS/TCS encoder pickup.

Truth be known, I know he is in a tight spot with difficult access to a bike for measurements and he's done the right thing by me. So it was payback time.

I was saying, while he did F#@k ALL over the last couple of days, I have been slaving over a rattly computer.
As Woody has mentioned, he has come up with a resolve for mounting the standard encoder and sensor (which we have conclusively proven is still 100% functional with what ever wheel combo) which allows a no mod swap over from your standard 19" front hoops to the Woody's Wheel Works 21" SuperLite setup.

It looks like this:

This is the new SPOKELESS hub shown.... So advanced that it rides on a cushion of air between the hub and rim.

Greg.

 

[JaimeV]

Please stop pornography!!!
::012::

 

[woodys wheel works]

here's the latest news from lake woe-be-gone

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18425609&postcount=155

::015::
woody

 

[woodys wheel works]

::006:: i get it

since my cut n paste technique does'nt work on this site i submit alink to the final development of installing ABS/TCS capability compatible with all your Super Tenere's components,,,a simple swap n slightly modify one component set-up

enjoy
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18471083&postcount=173

::003::
woody
PS i enjoyed collaborating with wasp-man

 

[Waspworks]

::006:: i get it

since my cut n paste technique does'nt work on this site i submit alink to the final development of installing ABS/TCS capability compatible with all your Super Tenere's components,,,a simple swap n slightly modify one component set-up

enjoy
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18471083&postcount=173

::003::
woody
PS i enjoyed collaborating with wasp-man

Look'n DAMN fine Woody.
A lot of perspiration and passion being put into this project.

How did you manage to secure the sensor ring mount to the hub? - Press fit or bonded in some way?

Greg.

P.S - This project has been a blast for me too mate. Especially our bullshit sessions on Skype )
Really hanging out to see exactly how tuff these things are mate. Some good riding coming up here in the next few months as the weather starts to cool.

 

[Waspworks]

::006:: i get it

since my cut n paste technique does'nt work on this site i submit alink to the final development of installing ABS/TCS capability compatible with all your Super Tenere's components,,,a simple swap n slightly modify one component set-up

enjoy
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18471083&postcount=173

::003::
woody
PS i enjoyed collaborating with wasp-man

Hey Woody..............
The "cut and paste" deal works for text but wont work here for pics.

What you need to do is:

* cut the text that you want from elsewhere on to a new post/reply on this forum, then,
* find the picture you want from elsewhere, right click the mouse, and select "copy image location", then,
* open up the new post/reply page that you are working on in this forum, and place the flashing cursor where you want to input the picture (in this edit window), then,
* look up to the edit buttons (just above all the smiley's) and you will see the "B" (for Bold) button, just below that is the button with the framed picture of "Mona Lisa". When you hover the cursor over it it says "Insert Image",
* click on the "Insert Image" button and [ img ] [ / img ] will appear where you wanted to place the picture (the cursor will be flashing in the middle of that code), then,
* simply paste (control V) the "Copy Image Location" line of code that you took from the other website....

EASY........... Give it a try.

Greg.

 

[woodys wheel works]

gawd hope this works,,,

look here's the latest new sfrom the rockies/denve r,colorado ,usa

hot off the presses...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18542777&postcount=193

enjoy
woody

 

[Brntrt]

Woody you're da man! Will be sending you a front hub next week for the OEM 21" conversion. Awesome work, thanks.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Mark

 

[Waspworks]

gawd hope this works,,,

look here's the latest new sfrom the rockies/denve r,colorado ,usa

hot off the presses...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18542777&postcount=193

enjoy
woody

To save you all "flip'n" to the other side, I have grabbed the post and pasted it here:

well folks and Wasp-man ,,you asked for it,,,here's the finished product,,waddya thi

somethings need no words,,,,2.5x18 /Monzter ss nss spoke/nipple kit and 1.85x21 double disc Superlite ST with ABS/TCI capabilitys

gap filling super glue,,a lil dab was more than enough,,didn't even need the accelerator

there's the official new sensor ring adapter and the new inner spacer for the oem sensor holder

that plate locked in place instantly

a lil extra insurance on top

and for even more insurance ,i staked the edges,,thta ring is going nowhere

figured i'd let ya get a peak at my outstanding trainee:>)
Zach the magnificent...not wanting to show his two front teeth

merry xmas wasp-man,,,the rear is being sealed as i write,,the front will be in mail tomorrow,,

''returning customers wheel ''no charge $$$ warranty work= NC....surprises inside,,need mounting screws??? silve router spacer ok or ya want blue gold black red???

..For more info check our website... www.woodyswheelworks.com
....Wanna e-mail us... woodyswheelworks@gmail.com
......Wanna talk,,,call us toll free... 1-866-936-0232
........If you're lost???... GPS = 39*40'33.86N x 104*59'54.69W

WooHoo

I cant say enough about these guys.
Woody is just a bank of knowledge and has been a real pleasure to deal with.

Hanging out to get hold of these puppies..

Greg.

 

[woodys wheel works]

wasp-man's ST tagged by special agents from 'up-over'



http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18558433&postcount=198

 

[Waspworks]

Finally - Managed to get a day out with the 21" front wheel..

I am stoked... ::014::

It seems like I have been playing around with the 21" front wheel set up for ages now, and all I have managed (until Sunday gone) was road mileage.
That alone has been reassurance enough that the 21" front wheel was the way for me - But the weekend ride really sealed the deal.

The Hills Forest area of Perth has been really dry this summer. All of Western Australia has for that matter as it has been just too dusty and with absolutely no tractability it was just not worth getting out in the dirt.
We have been hanging out for the first good soaking rains to penetrate the soil to offer up some semblance of traction, and it happened on Saturday night. ::012::

The dirt bike gods were smiling down on us as it pissed down through the entire evening, to a point where they were probably a little too generous with over 40mm dumped on the Hills..

Dust was no problem - Traction was no problem, as long as you stayed out of the mud, which on a number of occasions we could not avoid.

At one stage we were committed to a trail that led along the southern side of our major water catchment reservoir.
We had traveled about 4 or 5kms right along side the waterline riding on reasonably compacted rocky/riversand type surface when the trail was cut off by the waterline lapping against a sheer rock wall.

The only way out was back the same distance, or, up a muddy 45+deg slope about 10meters high that then hooked off to the right into the unknown.

In normal conditions you probably wouldn't think twice about this challenge and head straight up there, but I could see from the bottom that there were 3 or 4 tree roots running down and across the washout that would surely kick the arse of the bike around.

I sent my trusty brother up on a recon mission aboard his equally trust 450KTM first. He breazed straight up (as expected) until he hit the last of the diagonal tree roots which kick the back wheel into a rut. This slowed his pace for no more than 15seconds as he stood up and the back wheel popped out of the hole spinning and clawing for traction.

I then sent our mate up onboard his Husky 450 (all 104kgs of it :'() with clear pointed instructions of following this line, then that line, and up there... He followed my instructions to the "T" and arrived successfully at the top with hardly a wheel spin.
"That's the line" I convinced myself, temporarily forgetting I was astride a machine of similar weight, width, and size as Boeing777 :-X. With my eye's on the prescribed line, and plenty of run-up I followed the Husky's wheel track's. 3/4's of the way up I was just about to punch the air like a winner when the back wheel hit the top tree root and predictably slid sideways finding the same rut (now churned up by my brother) bringing me to a standstill and laying the bike on its right side wanting to slide back down the hill.
Thankfully the bro and mate were waiting to catch the bike in anticipation and it didnt go too far backward.

I dont even want to go into detail about how F#@king hard it is to push a stuck-in-a-rut 260kg F#@king bike up a slippery muddy 45 de-F#@king-grees slope, only to find the back tire is blocked up with the aforementioned F#@king mud, then to find that the next 30meters (although not as steep) is just as F#@king muddy and there is no way to ride up so we had to push the heavy F#@ker up there as well .....

Suffice to say, I was rooted after that and took a 5 minute brake just deep breathing (read gasping) trying to fend of a heart attack.

I was going to walk back down the hill a get a pic of the killer hill that nearly claimed me so that I could show you guys what not to attempt, but my legs (and lung's) didnt agree, and I can distinctly remember muttering in my dying breath "F#@k the pics, let the forum guys work it out for them selves" ::013::

Any wonder there was no traction to be had - The front tire was just as bad, so there was no traction, and no steering - And this is after most of the mud was spun of the back tire onto the two pushers >...:

Anyway - on to the story about the feel of the 21" wheel.

Most of the days ride was on Jeep trails - some sandy, and some gravel/rocky with a goodly amount of invisible snotmud. Thats the shit that you cant see but the whole bike just slides sideways like there is absolutely no steering as the mud instantly wraps like a blanket around your tires ???..
Like i said though, most of the ride was normal as long as you stay away from the mud. In these times the steering on offer from the 21" wheel is just on another level again from what I was previously used to.

Those that have been following this thread will remember that I fitted a 3/4 worn old relic of a trail tire on the new Woody's Wheel Works rim as soon as it arrived. Well I went out to play in the mud and dirt on that tire this weekend, but I must say,,, As bad as the tire was, it still offered more directional control in the worst conditions than I ever had on the 19" wheel in the best conditions... It goes where you point it (mud blanketing excluded) and is not distracted from MY chosen lines anywhere near the likes of the smaller wheel with the fat tires.
I could positively feel the suspension working more compliant.
Soft/wet sand and deep "between the 4WD wheel tracks" gravel was as easy to ride and steer as flat hard pack was on the smaller wheel.

This configuration is an absolute keeper and I am really looking forward to testing the new 18" rear in combination with the 21" front, and I WILL get new tires too 8)..

All in all a really great day out - Especially lunch ...
It was after the stuck on the mud hill experience that it started absolutely bucketing down so we decided that the right thing to do was head for the nearest Pub (Weir Hotel) about 12kms away.
We rocked up at the hotel after ridding in the heaviest rain I have ever been aboard a bike in and proceeded to get stuck into a hearty feed of fish and chips while we dried off.
Unfortunately (or thankfully) I did not take my DSLR along on this ride and only had my cellphone to get at least one pic (with the mud above), but by the time we got to the Pub the bikes were almost clean from the torrential rain we rode through to get there.

No damage (apart from a scuff) to the right hand side from the slide down the hill:

Ohh,,, The high front guard was a godsend and is definitely a permanent part of my gig from now on.
There was another team of guys out in the same area on Sunday and they have done a ride report in the Aussie
section: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=4836
This is one of their pics of the mud blanket on the tires.

Greg.

 

[3putt]

Very good RR, that is some sick mud, weight is a killer in that stuff. ::012::

 

[Waspworks]

Silver 21" x 1.85" ABS/TCS compatible front has landed. Just waiting on the rear

I received a package from Woody's (only one week in transit and clearance) that contained the mostest gorgeous'est front wheel I have seen.

BEHOLD !!!!!

This is the new ABS/TCS compatible XT1200Z 21" front wheel........... ::015::

I chose silver to be the only "sliver wheeled blue S10" on the planet. And to be different.
I think its a great move and am really happy with the results thus far.

The pic doesnt bode very well as the perspective is obviously way off, but I am liking what I see. Cant wait to get myself a new set of knobbies and head out with full ABS/TCS guns blazing.

The 18" matching rear is probably in the air over Aussie soil as we read this, so a couple more days and I can fit both tires and get-er-done...

Seriously - The guys at Woody's Wheel Works have been amazing to deal with. Pandering to my whimsicle mind changes over color and size, as well as single disk, double disk, ABS - no ABS

I bow down in the presence of your work guys:

Great job.

Greg.

P.S - I remind you Southern hemisphere guys - I have a black 21" x 1.85" dual disc non ABS front wheel with SuperLight WWW hub, and a black 21" x 1.65" (A60) single disc non ABS front wheel with SuperLight WWW hub sitting here waiting for a good home. Both wheels are brand new (well the A60 has been used in the dirt once), so contact me for further info.

 

[Epping]

Just read thru this post for the full effect. My thanks to Greg & Woody for an outstanding development & write up. You blokes are legends. 8)
I must say I don't understand why the TCS doesn't read the faster (relative to the front) turning rear wheel, as wheel slip. My old BMW GS650 was very sensitive to wheel diameter. I ran a 17" motard front which required the appropriate ABS disc with less slots otherwise the ABS light came on immediately.

 

[Waspworks]

New ABS/TCS compatible 21" and 18" SILVER wheels fitted.

I mentioned previously that Woody was sending (now arrived ::013: me some shiney new SILVER Woody's Wheel Work's super duty wheels for the WASPmobile... An upgrade from the non ABS/TCS wheels I first had, these are now 21" x 1.85" dual disc ABS and TCS compatible front, and OEM hub (therefore ABS/TCS compatible 18" x 2.5" rear. .

The change from the OEM wheels is simple and takes around 40mins combined.
The front is set up with KTM disc's already installed, and and I need to use the original encoder ring from the 19" OEM + the ABS backing plate during swap over.
The rear utilizes the OEM disc and encoder ring at swap over.

I opted for silver because:
1/ I've never really liked the look of black wheels on my bikes.
2/ No one else has a blue S10 with silver wheels >- Who knows, maybe it'll start a new trend..

I have tested the 21" wheel both on-road and off-road AND I LOVE IT..!!!! so I have really been hanging out to install and trial the slimmer but bigger diameter 18" rear wheel.
In theory it should actually modify the speedo reading to now show accurately - BONUS...

The new 21" ABS wheel rocked up on Tuesday and the 18" rear was not far behind arriving this morning, so while I was close by the Motorradgarage warehouse in Perth I dropped by on the off chance they would have some suitable tires (I knew bloody well that they would have ).
I chose the Mefo StoneMaster for their DOT approval and high load/high speed rating.
Sizes are 140/80-18" and 90/90-21.

Feels good inside just knowing that there is some decent chunky knobs clawing at the ground now.
I only hope the big S10 doesnt go ripping them to shred's (or turning them on the rim's ) when the loud grip is twisted.

Finally some chunky rubber knobs ::008::

Front wheel - on..

Rear wheel - on.

A bit of high mount guard + fork leg protector goodness.

Dont worry Woody - I havent forgotten the sticker, I just want to clean the bike first O

Front OEM ABS/TCS encoder ring and cover installed on the Woody's Wheel Work's Superlite hub. What a masterpiece. ::012::

I just have to linish the guards up now and paint them (will powder-coat later).
I also have to sort out the brake hose routing and guides, but I know what the plan is there and I will be onto that during the coming week.

More ride reports/reviews to come, as well as a lot more pics once I have painted the bits and cleaned the bike... :-[

UNREAL JOB WOODY'S WHEEL WORK'S

Thanks so much team... I could not be more impressed with the fitment and quality of work, plus you guys are extraordinary to deal with - I really feel like part of your team and family.

Greg.

 

[bloodline]

Gonna need rim locks...

 

[Tremor38]

Are they still tubeless, Greg?

 

[Waspworks]

Gonna need rim locks...

Probably - I will keep an eye on the valves and drill out for rim locks if I have too.

I plan to keep the air up to around 26psi F&R so that may be enough to keep the tire where they are.

We'll see.

Greg.