21" front wheel for the Super Tenere.

[woodys wheel works]

howdy folks,,,G'day mates etc etc

well, alil bug was put into my ear that i should be chiming in on this project that www has been working on ove rthe past 3 months,,,here's a link to my first post in your forum

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=4035.0

i thought i was posting it in this thread,,anyway ,,got here if ya need to know where i'm coming from and catch ya up to speed...didn't realize that i already have friends here
look i gotta run to work ,,AND will go through this thread and chime in,,,

most everything i design and build is a collaboration between the end users,,my own use/experience...an ol mantra of mine goes like this: ''tell me where ya are and where ya want to get to ,,,and i'll help ya bridge the gap''

'nuff said
woody

 

[colorider]

howdy folks,,,G'day mates etc etc

here's a link to my first post in your forum

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=4035.0

i thought i was posting it in this thread

It was here, but I moved it to the "Vendor" section where we like to keep all the marketing-type posts from our vendors.

Again, glad to have you here as I know you can offer some great services for our members!!

Rod

 

[JaimeV]

Think man, think.......

Probably would be very similar to the S10 - What? - They're both Japanese...

Greg.

Hey Wasp!
What about your high front fender project?
It could be easier than change the oil filter?

 

[woodys wheel works]

Wow - could be interesting!! Keep us posted Greg!!!

BTW,does anyone make a tubeless 21" tire,


most of the 21 dual sport tires are TL,i bet there are over a dozen varieties available.

or will this be a tube-type venture?

the current 21 project sports rims that have no safety-bead :'hence,,we choose not to seal them ,,,fear not,i'm committed to having tubeless 21's in my life-time....FYI if BMW can have 21 tubeless X-laced technology,,so can we ::008:


Rod

woody

 

[woodys wheel works]

Far out Wasp. What about ABS and TCS? Still function?
Mark

in the advrider forum Thagua from Chile is the 1st guinea-pig using oem hubs with sensors installed sporting 21/18 hoops....he'll have em within the month,,,he'll report the outcome...and of course share it with all of us.FYI,,,i have attempted to get Yamaha involved...no dice,,,,the initial people i talked with were all excited,,BUT...as soon as they checked around with their superiors, they bounced the ''hot potato'' right back in my lap...i wasn't surprised...so we are on our own,,i'm used to it,,

 

[woodys wheel works]

hii guys for simplicity's sake i just cut n pasted my comments to Wasp-man's post in bold yellow lettering

???whoops the cut n paste method didn't work,,,so i'll just give ya the link to the post:

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18332381&postcount=120

a few other comments and notions of mine:

1,,IMHO i think from looking at waspman's pics that it'll be much easier to press the upper lip back on the aftermarket bash-plate than having to reconfigure oil filter location.

2,,it'll be much easier to run a longer 875mm eye to eye brake line kit over the top of Thaguas hi fender version,,ie by simply swapping out the existing X-over line.

3,,after reading this thread,,,you all here like the folks over in advrider [perhaps some of you post in both places],,most folks have expressed their desire to maintain their ABS/TC capabilities,,,since i have no current folks in denver [and every ST is sold out],,i'm relying on the international community to help sort out this problem IF there even is one....on most other ABS equipped bikes we have not had issues....so before i step up to the pump and build Superlite wheels with yamaha's ABS/TC sensor technology i want to hear back from Thagua

then we have riders like Wasp who care less about ABS/TC in the dirt. it's a non-issue with them....bet that the 21"" conversion will blow your minds,,,i assert you will have far superior handling off road/on gravel roads in the sand than the already GOOD handling characteristics you have.

4,,same goes for tubeless tires,,,i assert that i'll make far more converts out of you all to switch to tubeless rears especially,,,,
once you are out there sweltering away in desert sun wrestling wheels/tires and tubes off n on several times a day while the tubeless crowd just plugs the thorn holes and motors on,,,sitting in the swimming pool and sucking down a cold one,,,while you are out there dragging your ass back....this is not conjecture,,this is the difference based on my own and many others experience...Remember ,,most dirt riders/explorers usually carry at least a spare set of tubes,,,OK,,ya swap out the first one but after that ya have to PATCH your tube,,,i routinely hear stories of riders having 2-5 flats a ride... ya get the drift...

5,,, and here's Thagua's hi fender set-up,,, that fender won't be hitting the bash-plates like the stories i hear concerning the 'fender-extenders' doing [once again i couldn't cut n paste the pics in here,,hey i'm still a 'newbie'at this computer stuff...

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18343836&postcount=123

back to bed,,
woody

 

[Waspworks]

Woody..... Good to see you make an entrance. ::013::

Welcome aboard.

JaimeV - I will be working on the high guard as a matter of urgency now.

Greg.

 

[woodys wheel works]

pics of Thagua's 21 18 Superlaced wheels using Monzter spokes on oem hubs

just weighed em front 12.2 lbs/ 5.53 Kg,,,rear 12.5lbs/ 5.67 Kg

langniappe: our local Yamaha shop Vickery Notorsports has been a stalwart supporter of getting parts for me for all my crazy projects,,,theiy've gone over backwards time n again,,,aabill and Sharon Vickery have a fine crew in thesales,parts and service department ,,most notably my friend and fellow road-racer/tuner/Bruce Sass.,,kudos to em ::008::
here's a link to their parts microfiche
http://www.vickerymotorsports.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=1722183&category=Motorcycles&make=YAMAHA&year=2012&fveh=50981

 

[Tremor38]

Those look great, Woody! Completely 'Pluric proof!" > Lets us know as soon as you have feedback on whether the ABS/TCS still works with the +2 front/ +1 rear combo. I'm guessing TCS-2 and ABS will still work as advertised, but not so sure about the more sensitive TCS-1.

 

[Waspworks]

Will the ABS/TCS work with 21" front and standard 17" rear.

A number of people have asked if the ABS/TCS will still work with 21" front wheel.

Iv'e gone down the path of full Woody's Wheel Works 21" wheel and hub replacement that has no provision for the ABS/TCS ring and sensor, but for my own peace of mind (and to provide valuable feedback to Woody) I sat tonight asking myself,,,,, "self - How can we check this out?"......... "How do I rig the sensor ring and pick up onto the rim?"......... "What would MacGyver do?".........

Short on paper clips, loosely assembled bullets, and a magnifying glass, I measured the hub to disc clearance and devised the next best plan of attack using some 5.4mm plywood.

You may recall from one of the previous pics, the discs on the wheel (Woody's 21"er, not the OEM 19") are spaced off the hub by these beautiful little gold anodized billet components:

It happens that the gap between the inner face of the disc carrier and the outer edge of the hub is 5.4mm.
All I needed to do then was cut a flange with 6 holes at the same PCD as the disc mounts and sandwich it between the disc and hub.

In true MacGyver fashion I chewed the piece of ply to shape (it looks like it at least ) and screwed the sensor ring on central.

I left the screw points sticking through the back face of the ply... Because MacGyver would:

Mounting disc completed, it was time to whip the wheel of and try my new MacGyverABSsensorholderthingy on for fit:

Fits first go with no hole filing. Damn Mac's good.

Back on with the wheel and I will fab a little bracket to hold the proximity type doohicky off the two bolts for the caliper.
That's a job for tomorrow now so I will post up some more pics once thats completed:

All in all, an interesting project and it will be interesting to see if the system has enough smarts to compensate for such dramatically different (from design intent) wheel sizes.

Later.

Greg.

 

[houndman]

Hey Wasp, thanks for all or your effort in this. It's interesting to follow. :exclaim:

 

[JaimeV]

Amazing….That looks great!!

::012:: ::012::

 

[woodys wheel works]

HELP!!!
Need donor bike for a few days



ii'm in denver,colorado,,thanks a million
woody

 

[EricV]

HELP!!!
Need donor bike for a few days



ii'm in denver,colorado,,thanks a million
woody

Define a few days. Not close, but close enough. Couch space?

 

[woodys wheel works]

Define a few days. Not close, but close enough. Couch space?

2-3 days i imagine,,
couch space,,,you'll have a choice at one of the best watering holes in th emidwest,,hot women,cold beerLOL
even a hot tub ,,,tour of the wheelwoeks,,woody world and,,,greta food
holler
woody

 

[Waspworks]

Well dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians - IT WORKS!!!

BUGGER ME !!!

This must be one smart ABS/TCS system to be able to account for a 21" front wheel when it was designed to operate on 19"er.

I was up early this morning, eager as a school kid with his dads Playboy collection.
I set to work finishing off my MacGyver'ized mounting of the encoder ring and pick up sensor for the front ABS/TCS onto my newly acquired Woody's Wheel Works 21" front wheel.

The only thing to do after last nights sensor ring mount to the hub was to bend up a flatbar mount to secure the proximity type read thingamejig behind the fork leg.

A quick measure of the OEM hub and the readers location and I was into the cutting, drilling, and bending.
It aint pretty but it certainly does the job.

All the way through this mock up project, I was actually quite confident that the system would still work fine.
And work fine it does.
Remember, this is 21" front and standard 17" rear...
Within 30 meters of rolling down the driveway the ABS/TCS light was OFF (it was ON at start up because I had ridden the bike previously without the system connected), and the fault light on the dash had gone out, (the dash will show engine fault when no ABS is detected).

I headed off down my long gravel driveway and tried the ABS... Perfect - It did exactly what it was supposed to do.
I rounded my bottom corner and headed up the road. Up to about 50mph and no sign of an idiot light on the dash.
I rode around 2kms up and down my street, on and of the gas and managed to arc the rear up with the tell tale flashing from the dash.. All's good, so I turn into my driveway again and did a loop of the 1.5km gravel/rock firebreak.
I changed between TC1 and TC2 and the system seems to function EXACTLY as is always has = not cutting in any sooner or later that I could perceive.

The feel of the 21" wheel in the gravel/dirt/road is another story and I will make an entry in this thread when I have done more riding to evaluate. I will say right now though - Hang on to your britch's and keep an eye out for this next ride report. The 21" front wheel has absolutely transformed the feel of the bike in the loose stuff.
Too early to write a comprehensive and convincing review so that will have to wait for a while.

All's good on this side of the world.

Greg.

 

[3putt]

Super, just SUPER!!! I knew the ABS/TC was going to work due to the math used by Yamaha, so happy to see it is true!! ::015::

 

[woodys wheel works]

that's pretty fuggin great!!!!
awesome,,,my gut said it would work,,can't recall one that didn't,,

what does get screwed up is the odometer.speedometer reading,,,some machines like ktm 's have a recalibrating circuit for different size wheels

others routinely claim that now their gps speed and the actual indicated MPH are almost spot on..ie the speedo readings from the historical perspective are 'optimistic'',,,, reading more than you are actually going,,creating the illusion of going faster...hence the slower rpm of the 21'er corrects some of that

well it's good to know the ABS works,,,i'm positive the TCS is rear wheel dependent,,,with the larger diameter 18 tires it too will correlate the existing rpm with any sudden acceleration kinda like ABS in reverse...

the best part of all this is the synchronicity an synergy evidenced when all of us work together
gung ho
::012:: ::012:: ::012::
w

 

[20valves]

others routinely claim that now their gps speed and the actual indicated MPH are almost spot on..ie the speedo readings from the historical perspective are 'optimistic'',,,, reading more than you are actually going,,creating the illusion of going faster...hence the slower rpm of the 21'er corrects some of that..well it's good to know

I thought the Super Ten calculated speed by reading transmission gear speed, not front wheel speed. :question:

 

[JaimeV]

Congratulations!! nice work. ::012::
Hope we can read soon Wasp ridding report!!
Hey Greg, do you still have the dog bones in the rear suspension? I suppose the new wheel changes de bike more or less to its standard geometry before you installed the links…