21" front wheel for the Super Tenere.
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Nah, I think the speed is read from the sensors. The speedo go off if the ABS is disconnected at the ABS ECU, but remains active if you just remove the ABS sensor from seeing the front wheel rotation.20valves said:
Greg.
Yes the raising links are still in place.JaimeV said:Congratulations!! nice work. ::012::
Hope we can read soon Wasp ridding report!!
Hey Greg, do you still have the dog bones in the rear suspension? I suppose the new wheel changes de bike more or less to its standard geometry before you installed the links…
The front has come up by 15mm (ish) and it can be felt in the steering on the road.
Really looking forward to the raising the rear again with the 18" wheel, and I think with the 130 or 140 rear tire = This is gonna be REALLLLL good.
Greg.
Speed comes from the ABS module up to the ECU, not sure if it is the rear wheel or front?? I hooked up a speedDRD and it got the signal from the blue wire at back from ABS.
Okay, I just reread Wasp's post, it is from the rear wheel. Speedo being 6.2% off, the 18" wheel should help make it more realistic.
Okay, I just reread Wasp's post, it is from the rear wheel. Speedo being 6.2% off, the 18" wheel should help make it more realistic.
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Very nice. Sadly, I can't get away at the moment. Looks like you will have a good weather window from Wed to Sun, so I hope you can get someone to come over.woodys wheel works said:
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why do all the nifty custom guys have to be on the west coast. Here I sit with a wakling boot on my leg and the tenere in the garage, but all alone on the east coast. excited to see how much i need to take out of my 401k!
Greg - I am 6'0" and have the seat at the high setting to help with knee ergos when riding....however, I am barely flat footed at stops. What are your dimensions and how are you even coming close to touching the ground at stops? I know they grow'em big down under, but are we talking sasquach-style?
Greg - I am 6'0" and have the seat at the high setting to help with knee ergos when riding....however, I am barely flat footed at stops. What are your dimensions and how are you even coming close to touching the ground at stops? I know they grow'em big down under, but are we talking sasquach-style?
Get yourself a set of SW-Motech adjustable pegs (I run without the removable rubber pads), then put the seat in the low position...JonnyCinco said:
I think the pegs are about 25mm lower (if set to the low position) than standard.
Greg.
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I cant say enough about these guys, and Woody himself in particular.
During one of my Skype sessions with Woody a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that I would probably end up running just one single disc on the front after I trial the 21" double disc wheel.
As you have seen, I received the double disc wheel about 10 days ago and installed it with a view to just removing one disc and playing with the master cylinder sizing at a later date.
Obviously not good enough in Woody's opinion.
I got a phone call from my postmaster (small community) yesterday to say there was a new parcel waiting for collection from "Woody's Wheel Work's".
I am expecting a new 18" wheel down the track, when I can afford it, so I assumed that he may have jumped the gun and sent one out by mistake.
Bugger me if I open the package and find a new Superlite Single disc 21" EXCEL A60 rim (toughest rim in the solar system), Monster laced in all it's glory.
Love the silver stripe and logo detail on this:
I should have probably cleaned the dust off it first :'(
Another Skype call to Woody reveals that he has struck a deal whereby I send the first wheel (double disc one) on to Steve "Wolfeman" Smith at www.adventuremoto.com.au when I have finished doing my test's and trials....
At least i think that's what he said - All I remember was "bla-bla-bla + when you feel like it" >
Actually, I am assisting Woody with some dimensions and design to install the ABS sensor ring in the Superlite hub, so i'll do the right thing and send it over to Steve when that is finished. Maybe!!!
And after I have belted the shit out of it in the bush...
I'll keep you all posted once I get a chance to do a decent ride and make a report.
Greg.
I cant say enough about these guys, and Woody himself in particular.
During one of my Skype sessions with Woody a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that I would probably end up running just one single disc on the front after I trial the 21" double disc wheel.
As you have seen, I received the double disc wheel about 10 days ago and installed it with a view to just removing one disc and playing with the master cylinder sizing at a later date.
Obviously not good enough in Woody's opinion.
I got a phone call from my postmaster (small community) yesterday to say there was a new parcel waiting for collection from "Woody's Wheel Work's".
I am expecting a new 18" wheel down the track, when I can afford it, so I assumed that he may have jumped the gun and sent one out by mistake.
Bugger me if I open the package and find a new Superlite Single disc 21" EXCEL A60 rim (toughest rim in the solar system), Monster laced in all it's glory.
Love the silver stripe and logo detail on this:
I should have probably cleaned the dust off it first :'(
Another Skype call to Woody reveals that he has struck a deal whereby I send the first wheel (double disc one) on to Steve "Wolfeman" Smith at www.adventuremoto.com.au when I have finished doing my test's and trials....
At least i think that's what he said - All I remember was "bla-bla-bla + when you feel like it" >
Actually, I am assisting Woody with some dimensions and design to install the ABS sensor ring in the Superlite hub, so i'll do the right thing and send it over to Steve when that is finished. Maybe!!!
And after I have belted the shit out of it in the bush...
I'll keep you all posted once I get a chance to do a decent ride and make a report.
Greg.
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I think the wheels look awesome! I'm sure there going to work great in the dirt,Etc... But agree, im your height and im tip toe on my bike with the seat in the high position... If I where to do these wheels, raising links, Etc.. this is how I would look getting on the bike....JonnyCinco said:
Cool pic...~TABASCO~ said:I think the wheels look awesome! I'm sure there going to work great in the dirt,Etc... But agree, im your height and im tip toe on my bike with the seat in the high position... If I where to do these wheels, raising links, Etc.. this is how I would look getting on the bike....
Yeh, possibly the case for some, but I do have long legs for my height.
I have the seat on low now and can flat foot. I assume it will be quite comfortable when I get the slightly taller (only by 3/4") rear 18"er fitted.
Greg.
Woody Wheel Works 21" Super Tenere ride report.
I had to run a few errands down it the city today so I thought it the ideal opportunity to put the new 21" wheel to a couple hundred kilometer test.
I was on a bit of a schedule today so the only dirt road testing was the journey out and return leg down and up my 200meter (washed out/shitty condition - at the moment) driveway.
I think I mentioned earlier that I have been around my firebreak a couple of times and it is really exiting to feel the incredible difference (ADVANTAGE) that the bigger diameter + narrower tire offers. The bike now goes where it is pointed and is not front washed, or steered by deep gravel or sand to anywhere near the extent of the OEM balloon tires that were on the bike.
I havent had enough dirt time to do a off-road report justice but early days it feels amaizing.
I will report when I have had a full day out in the forrest.
On the road.
To be honest, I was expecting the larger wheel to feel like shit on the road... But it doesn't... Sure the steering rake angle has decreased and the trail has increase, both making for slower steering, but it seems slower by the smallest measure in reality.
It requires more input (no, not input - body english) to both turn in and steer out of a corner, but at the same time it feel more "stable".. Obvious I guess given the change of geometry, but the changes seem more natural for this style of bike and the way I ride.. Gone are the days of me thrashing around on the road. I save that for the forrest trails nowadays. Too easy to rack up demerit points and find your self without a license.
Having always seemed to be a very easy bike to ride slowly splitting traffic, it just seems easier now. the bike is so much easier to balance while riding slow that im sure you could get off and jog along beside it sometimes.
I dont know if it's the norm, but the big wheels seem a lot more stable in longitudinal grooves and tarmac joints in the road. it just doesn't seem to get as easily upset.
I think a lot of the advantageous changes that can be felt with this mod can actually be put down to the weight loss from the front (maybe it is a gyroscopic thing?). There is a lot less input required to do a job, and the feedback from the front wheel seems to tax/impact on the stability less.
All in all, it feels great, and I am loving it.
Look forward to rack up some more kms tomorrow and try and think more about what the bike is doing... I was just out enjoying myself today rather than taking in too many analytical details.
Greg.
I had to run a few errands down it the city today so I thought it the ideal opportunity to put the new 21" wheel to a couple hundred kilometer test.
I was on a bit of a schedule today so the only dirt road testing was the journey out and return leg down and up my 200meter (washed out/shitty condition - at the moment) driveway.
I think I mentioned earlier that I have been around my firebreak a couple of times and it is really exiting to feel the incredible difference (ADVANTAGE) that the bigger diameter + narrower tire offers. The bike now goes where it is pointed and is not front washed, or steered by deep gravel or sand to anywhere near the extent of the OEM balloon tires that were on the bike.
I havent had enough dirt time to do a off-road report justice but early days it feels amaizing.
I will report when I have had a full day out in the forrest.
On the road.
To be honest, I was expecting the larger wheel to feel like shit on the road... But it doesn't... Sure the steering rake angle has decreased and the trail has increase, both making for slower steering, but it seems slower by the smallest measure in reality.
It requires more input (no, not input - body english) to both turn in and steer out of a corner, but at the same time it feel more "stable".. Obvious I guess given the change of geometry, but the changes seem more natural for this style of bike and the way I ride.. Gone are the days of me thrashing around on the road. I save that for the forrest trails nowadays. Too easy to rack up demerit points and find your self without a license.
Having always seemed to be a very easy bike to ride slowly splitting traffic, it just seems easier now. the bike is so much easier to balance while riding slow that im sure you could get off and jog along beside it sometimes.
I dont know if it's the norm, but the big wheels seem a lot more stable in longitudinal grooves and tarmac joints in the road. it just doesn't seem to get as easily upset.
I think a lot of the advantageous changes that can be felt with this mod can actually be put down to the weight loss from the front (maybe it is a gyroscopic thing?). There is a lot less input required to do a job, and the feedback from the front wheel seems to tax/impact on the stability less.
All in all, it feels great, and I am loving it.
Look forward to rack up some more kms tomorrow and try and think more about what the bike is doing... I was just out enjoying myself today rather than taking in too many analytical details.
Greg.
I got the new single disc 21" front set up and installed today.
As I mentioned above, I had a great road ride for a couple hundred kilometers today but I have really been hanging to get the new single disc wheel installed in place of the 21" twin disc wheel.
I got home from my ride today to a handfull of urgent chores so got stuck in and immediately went up to the shed to remove the tire and tube from the "old" 21" wheel (wow, lifes tuff when you got a choice) and spoon them onto the new wheel.
It's been a few years since my old enduro days where you had to change tires in the bush. These days its easier to drop it into a bike shop and pick it up 30mins later. I am pleased to say though that I havent lost any of my hard earned experience and found the task both pleasurable and interesting.
I guess in reality there aint too much tuff about a front wheel, and can be thankful it was not a rear.
1hour later the job was complete and installed back on the bike.
A quick bleed of the brakes and the jobs done.
What a treat. Just when you think that things couldnt get any better than loosing 3kg of un-sprung weight, you drop one disc and a caliper and loose another 2.5kg
Thats right:
The OEM front assembly (tire, disc's etc) was 14kg
The twin disc assembly (tire, disc;s etc) was 11kg
The single disc assembly (slightly lighter and slimmer rim) was 9.7kg. 1.1kg of that was from removing one disc...
BUT - factor in the removal of the superfluous caliper + hose + bolts and you loose another 1.2kg.
SO:
OEM = 14kg
Single disc = 8.5kg
5.5 fricken kg (12.1lbs) lighter in un-sprung mass to accelerate/brake/act on suspension...
I am REALLY looking forward to trying this one out..
I suspect the master cylinder may need a change, but i'll trial it tomorrow and make judgment from there.
ABS ring and sensor back in place temporarily.
I pinched the single banjo bolt from the left hand caliper to complete the connection to the single caliper.
More to come in the form of ride report tomorrow.
Greg.
As I mentioned above, I had a great road ride for a couple hundred kilometers today but I have really been hanging to get the new single disc wheel installed in place of the 21" twin disc wheel.
I got home from my ride today to a handfull of urgent chores so got stuck in and immediately went up to the shed to remove the tire and tube from the "old" 21" wheel (wow, lifes tuff when you got a choice) and spoon them onto the new wheel.
It's been a few years since my old enduro days where you had to change tires in the bush. These days its easier to drop it into a bike shop and pick it up 30mins later. I am pleased to say though that I havent lost any of my hard earned experience and found the task both pleasurable and interesting.
I guess in reality there aint too much tuff about a front wheel, and can be thankful it was not a rear.
1hour later the job was complete and installed back on the bike.
A quick bleed of the brakes and the jobs done.
What a treat. Just when you think that things couldnt get any better than loosing 3kg of un-sprung weight, you drop one disc and a caliper and loose another 2.5kg
Thats right:
The OEM front assembly (tire, disc's etc) was 14kg
The twin disc assembly (tire, disc;s etc) was 11kg
The single disc assembly (slightly lighter and slimmer rim) was 9.7kg. 1.1kg of that was from removing one disc...
BUT - factor in the removal of the superfluous caliper + hose + bolts and you loose another 1.2kg.
SO:
OEM = 14kg
Single disc = 8.5kg
5.5 fricken kg (12.1lbs) lighter in un-sprung mass to accelerate/brake/act on suspension...
I am REALLY looking forward to trying this one out..
I suspect the master cylinder may need a change, but i'll trial it tomorrow and make judgment from there.
ABS ring and sensor back in place temporarily.
I pinched the single banjo bolt from the left hand caliper to complete the connection to the single caliper.
More to come in the form of ride report tomorrow.
Greg.
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Maybe you mentioned this somewhere. But what is the goal of dropping a disc (besides weight)?
Just weight... That's it - That's everything.JonnyCinco said:
Specially un-sprung weight in this situation has such a huge potential impact on a number of factors. Light wheels are easier to get turning, and to stop turning.. Suspension compliance with a heavy vs light wheel is another HUGE factor.
The biggest challenge for suspension off road is being able to move quickly to follow the terrain over which the wheels travel. A small heavy wheel acts a hell of a lot slower (and a lot less compliant) than a larger very much lighter wheel.
My bike does a lot of off road work so this is important to me. It may not be so important for a bike that very rarely see's the dirt.
Every little bit counts, but an extra 2.5kg is quite a significant little bit.
Greg.
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so ya all wanted to KNOW,,Does the 21/17 or 21/18 affect ABS or TCS system???
no
no
no
no
no
no
no=nyet=nein=non
nara problemos,,,
es mui bien
kudos to ''hernia''/dave and ''thagua''/roberto for loaning me their bike and wheels respectively,,,
the by-product of which was a very successful testing session that eliminated all the anxiety surrounding the 21/18 '' wheel conversion project,,,imagine ,,,,,one donor from around the corner and another from another continent
_________________PS just click here to this link,,i'm too tired after this day
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18388292&postcount=142_
no
no
no
no
no
no
no=nyet=nein=non
nara problemos,,,
es mui bien
kudos to ''hernia''/dave and ''thagua''/roberto for loaning me their bike and wheels respectively,,,
the by-product of which was a very successful testing session that eliminated all the anxiety surrounding the 21/18 '' wheel conversion project,,,imagine ,,,,,one donor from around the corner and another from another continent
_________________PS just click here to this link,,i'm too tired after this day
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=18388292&postcount=142_
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100% agree and understand the unsprung weight. However, with a bike that is as dual purpose as yours, are the advantages of less weight shadowing that of a decrease in stopping power on tarmac?Wasp said:
My offroad experience is a baby compared to your daily commute/backyard, hence the question/comparison of actual usage
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Re: I got the new single disc 21" front set up and installed today.
Why do you feel the cylinder may need changing? Is it because you feel it will apply too much hydraulic pressure to the lighter rolling mass and be overly sensitive to input?
Mike
Greg,Wasp said:
Why do you feel the cylinder may need changing? Is it because you feel it will apply too much hydraulic pressure to the lighter rolling mass and be overly sensitive to input?
Mike
Hey Mr. Waspman,
The 21 looks mighty fine from here!!!! keep the rubber side down now. Don't want to be out doing triple jumps now with it!!! ::015::
The 21 looks mighty fine from here!!!! keep the rubber side down now. Don't want to be out doing triple jumps now with it!!! ::015::
In some of the pics I noticed how close the mudgaurd is to the tire. Is there gonna be a mod for that? Get a little more clearance away from the tire?