2014 ES - Anthony Reflash Review

[2talltoo]

I hate following another motorcycle with heavy engine breaking (which S10 does have) and no break light to indicate they are slowing. This part of the discussion belongs on an option or preference thread. In UK your bike has all the power you need, conversely in Denver starting at 5000 feet and going to 10,000 plus feet of altitude the flash and Arrow header or de-cat make all the sense in the world.

Chris, you also DNN you are at a lower elevation.

 

[tallpaul]

Having ridden both a stock and a reflashed bike I prefer the reflashed version. There is still engine braking but it is not as harsh and makes the bike far more pleasurable to ride.

 

[ballisticexchris]

I hate following another motorcycle with heavy engine breaking (which S10 does have) and no break light to indicate they are slowing.

Meaning no offense but do you have impaired depth perception? Reason I ask is because I never rely on brake lights to indicate someone slowing down. Brake lights are mechanical and can fail.

Slowing down and speeding are gravitational time dilations which are variable and dependent on the vacillating behaviors of the driver. These are a proven and reliable way to indicate a driver/rider slowing down.

Whenever I close the safe distance on someone slowing down it means I'm not paying attention. Brake lights and turn signals are nothing more than a tool. Unfortunately, a lot of times, they are in no way meant to indicate what a person is doing or preparing to do.

 

[2talltoo]

That's it I must be jacked up. I usually lead and if they don't keep up I assume they are passive-aggressive and are trying to lead from behind. Result, I leave them behind. But I always thought that the red light coming on intermittently had some significance.

Chris, no offense but you are my nominee for contrarian of the year.

This is only a test: I say white........what say you?

 

[fac191]

I can’t understand why people don’t like engine braking? I hate following people who are on and off the brakes all the time and with decent engine braking I can ride quickly and smoothly without using the brake unduly.


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When you come from the land of roundabouts you will understand.

 

[fac191]

When you come from the land of roundabouts you will understand.

Something to consider. If this bike used carbs instead the engine braking would be similar or even less than a flashed bike. So its been unnaturally manufactured in.

 

[ballisticexchris]

That's it I must be jacked up. I usually lead and if they don't keep up I assume they are passive-aggressive and are trying to lead from behind. Result, I leave them behind. But I always thought that the red light coming on intermittently had some significance.

Chris, no offense but you are my nominee for contrarian of the year.

This is only a test: I say white........what say you?

Whenever I get behind the wheel or swing a leg over the bike, I assume that everyone on the road is trying to murder me and can care less if they commit suicide in the process. For me, being invisible is not enough anymore.

I'm not one to go along with popular opinions of others. So yes you are correct. Most of the time my contrarian thought process saves me. I deal in facts most of the time. I don't like to assume or guess. Of course when I do, it sometimes bites me in the butt.

If you say white and it's true then I agree with you 100%. What I don't like is when the populous says something is the next best thing since sliced bread and it ends up false.

Something to consider. If this bike used carbs instead the engine braking would be similar or even less than a flashed bike. So its been unnaturally manufactured in.

How so very true. In the time it takes me to remove the ECU from the Super Tenere, I can have my carb off and re-jetted for my desired engine braking. I'm so very grateful to still have a carbed bike!!

 

[MattR]

Meaning no offense but do you have impaired depth perception? Reason I ask is because I never rely on brake lights to indicate someone slowing down. Brake lights are mechanical and can fail.

Slowing down and speeding are gravitational time dilations which are variable and dependent on the vacillating behaviors of the driver. These are a proven and reliable way to indicate a driver/rider slowing down.

Whenever I close the safe distance on someone slowing down it means I'm not paying attention. Brake lights and turn signals are nothing more than a tool. Unfortunately, a lot of times, they are in no way meant to indicate what a person is doing or preparing to do.

I have no reliance on the perceived amount of lumens issuing from the rear of any vehicle in order to inform my calculations of distance. The brake warning device merely serves to confirm my assessment of what a vehicle may or may not perform in the near future. I have observed that those who rely on additional braking functions as well as whatever engine retardants are available tend to be less smooth operators and as a result make less progress as well as constantly projecting unnecessarily intense light at my optics which is particular undesirable at night. In addition, the town that I live in earned the handle “donut city” due to the number of roundabouts it has. An environment where more engine braking is preferable to less..


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[fac191]

Whenever I get behind the wheel or swing a leg over the bike, I assume that everyone on the road is trying to murder me and can care less if they commit suicide in the process. For me, being invisible is not enough anymore.

I'm not one to go along with popular opinions of others. So yes you are correct. Most of the time my contrarian thought process saves me. I deal in facts most of the time. I don't like to assume or guess. Of course when I do, it sometimes bites me in the butt.

If you say white and it's true then I agree with you 100%. What I don't like is when the populous says something is the next best thing since sliced bread and it ends up false.



How so very true. In the time it takes me to remove the ECU from the Super Tenere, I can have my carb off and re-jetted for my desired engine braking. I'm so very grateful to still have a carbed bike!!

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I have no reliance on the perceived amount of lumens issuing from the rear of any vehicle in order to inform my calculations of distance. The brake warning device merely serves to confirm my assessment of what a vehicle may or may not perform in the near future. I have observed that those who rely on additional braking functions as well as whatever engine retardants are available tend to be less smooth operators and as a result make less progress as well as constantly projecting unnecessarily intense light at my optics which is particular undesirable at night. In addition, the town that I live in earned the handle “donut city” due to the number of roundabouts it has. An environment where more engine braking is preferable to less..


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I suppose its about riding styles. I would rather knock down a gear or two i find it smoother.

 

[ballisticexchris]

I could not have said it better myself Matt!! In other words riders that need a re-flash to reduce engine braking are crappy riders to begin with. A bandaid is needed to smooth out their inexperience at throttle control.

And let's not forget where you and Fac91 are from. The UK has some of the best riders in the world. That is no joke!! You guys are dealing with slippery roads and horrible riding conditions almost year round.

 

[tallpaul]

I could not have said it better myself Matt!! In other words riders that need a re-flash to reduce engine braking are crappy riders to begin with. A bandaid is needed to smooth out their inexperience at throttle control.

That's a bit of a broad brush statement...

 

[fac191]

That's a bit of a broad brush statement...

I agree also i have problems with my right hand and just dont have the control others take for granted. Thing is i just want to ride it not plan for a week how im going to set myself up for a bend or roundabout. Its much easier for me to ride which equals enjoyment. Plus i dont ride every day, i live in london and dont see the risk is worth it commuting i take a bus or walk ( im probably doing that wrong aswell ) I may go a month or so between rides so i can just get on and go without having to adjust.

 

[WJBertrand]

riders that need a re-flash to reduce engine braking are crappy riders to begin with.

I guess that judgment would apply to MotoGP riders too then? Their bikes are usually set up for very little engine braking.

 

[Eville Rich]

Having ridden both a stock and a reflashed bike I prefer the reflashed version. There is still engine braking but it is not as harsh and makes the bike far more pleasurable to ride.

That's the key here. For whatever reason, Yamaha seems to like a lot of engine breaking and on/off throttle feel. Not just the S10. Same for my WR250R. Even my Grizzly 700 has a ton of engine breaking, though less of a throttle issue due to the drivetrain.

In contrast, my wife's Tiger 800, her CRF250L and my 87 BMW K75 all have fuel injection and objectively smoother throttle transitions and less engine braking. I'm OK with Yamaha's, but it seems to be a design choice rather than something necessary. On my recent rides after the ECU update, I've found myself able to focus a bit more on other riding technique issues and less on the throttle. It's more enjoyable, which is why I have the bike to begin with.

If I want to prove something with a painful challenge, I'll learn the technique of how to eat a lightbulb.

 

[fac191]

That's the key here. For whatever reason, Yamaha seems to like a lot of engine breaking and on/off throttle feel. Not just the S10. Same for my WR250R. Even my Grizzly 700 has a ton of engine breaking, though less of a throttle issue due to the drivetrain.

In contrast, my wife's Tiger 800, her CRF250L and my 87 BMW K75 all have fuel injection and objectively smoother throttle transitions and less engine braking. I'm OK with Yamaha's, but it seems to be a design choice rather than something necessary. On my recent rides after the ECU update, I've found myself able to focus a bit more on other riding technique issues and less on the throttle. It's more enjoyable, which is why I have the bike to begin with.

If I want to prove something with a painful challenge, I'll learn the technique of how to eat a lightbulb.

So safe to say its the bike and not me. Thanks. Geez its a good thing i dont tote a gun no-one would ever get shot !

 

[AusTexS10]

DANGER is only two letters away from DANG (does that make it three letters away from ANGER)

Seriously, I appreciate a lot of your comments. I'm an old dude at 73, but rode a lot of carburated bikes from 1965-1972 (two Honda scramblers, a Triumph T100SC, a Harley Sprint Scrambler, two Bultacos and a Yamaha RT1 360 Enduro). That RT1 was stolen while I was in class at UTexas in summer of 1972. I went from then until Dec 2017 without a ride, mostly at the behest of my medical professional wife, when I picked up a Yamaha SCR950. That thing seemed awfully heavy at 554 lbs dry, but the nearest comparison was my T100SC that only weighed 335 lbs dry. The SCR exhibited many of the same bad behaviors as the ST until I added an intake, V&H competition exhaust and an Ivan reflash; I did them all at the same time, so I can't detail the individual impacts, but they woke the sleeping giant up. Still, it seemed a lot of work trying to ride it at highway speeds with only its 5 speed box; beast of an in-town bike, but reluctant to get into full stride on the open road. Three months ago, the SCR morphed into a 2013 ST with 5600 miles and I couldn't be happier (or at least not until I reflash her and add an appropriate exhaust). Relevant to this string, the reflash seemd to fix so many of the shortcomings of the factory tune, but I generally averaged 4-5 fewer mpg after the changes; how much was due to which of my tweaks is unknown, but it was cheaper and a lot more fun than going to a dentist for a vastly improved smile in the saddle.

 

[MattR]

I guess that judgment would apply to MotoGP riders too then? Their bikes are usually set up for very little engine braking.

I don’t think it’s true that MotoGP riders have their bikes tuned for less engine breaking. Indeed the slipper clutch featured on many sports bikes now was developed in the gp world to prevent rear wheel lock up due to huge engine breaking


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[fac191]

DANGER is only two letters away from DANG (does that make it three letters away from ANGER)

Seriously, I appreciate a lot of your comments. I'm an old dude at 73, but rode a lot of carburated bikes from 1965-1972 (two Honda scramblers, a Triumph T100SC, a Harley Sprint Scrambler, two Bultacos and a Yamaha RT1 360 Enduro). That RT1 was stolen while I was in class at UTexas in summer of 1972. I went from then until Dec 2017 without a ride, mostly at the behest of my medical professional wife, when I picked up a Yamaha SCR950. That thing seemed awfully heavy at 554 lbs dry, but the nearest comparison was my T100SC that only weighed 335 lbs dry. The SCR exhibited many of the same bad behaviors as the ST until I added an intake, V&H competition exhaust and an Ivan reflash; I did them all at the same time, so I can't detail the individual impacts, but they woke the sleeping giant up. Still, it seemed a lot of work trying to ride it at highway speeds with only its 5 speed box; beast of an in-town bike, but reluctant to get into full stride on the open road. Three months ago, the SCR morphed into a 2013 ST with 5600 miles and I couldn't be happier (or at least not until I reflash her and add an appropriate exhaust). Relevant to this string, the reflash seemd to fix so many of the shortcomings of the factory tune, but I generally averaged 4-5 fewer mpg after the changes; how much was due to which of my tweaks is unknown, but it was cheaper and a lot more fun than going to a dentist for a vastly improved smile in the saddle.

Whatever makes you happy makes you happy. We are all on here because we love riding, we may disagree sometimes, but ultimately we are all brothers and sisters or something in between if thats your way. This is a fantastic forum

 

[tallpaul]

Indeed the slipper clutch featured on many sports bikes now was developed in the gp world to prevent rear wheel lock up due to huge engine breaking

Pah! Sounds more like a band aid for being a crappy rider...

 

[fac191]

Pah! Sounds more like a band aid for being a crappy rider...

Shall we include ABS, traction control, linked brakes, leaning ABS, Leaning traction control, any extra lights as you have as obviously can see properly, any aftermarket seat because your arse aint tough enough, any screen because you cant man up to the wind blast, you get my point.