2014 ES - Anthony Reflash Review

s.ga.rider

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Im sending mine off weds for the reflash. Are their any write ups for removing it with pics? The most popular on here has the photos blurred.
 

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I have to say, I bought my 2016 ES brand new, rode it home (15 miles max) and removed the ECU and sent it to Anthony, as stated, he flashed it and returned it all within a week and I reinstalled it. I really have no idea how the bike rode as stock (having only ridden it 15 miles and being high as a kite at the time due to all the excitement of a new motorcycle! but That was 3+ years ago and I still love riding the ST, Anthony was really easy to deal with and the bike has been a real pleasure to ride. I highly recommend him and his services to anyone thinking about it, I have only ever ridden the bike in sport mode, it works so well I have never felt the need to try T mode!!

Gary
 

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Per member recommendations I went with Anthony. I just sent off my ecu and will get it back in one week. He very quick to answer emails and makes it super easy to understand what your getting and what to do. I cant comment on the flash but hope to post my review soon.
 

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I sent mine off weds and it arrived back in the mail today. Fast turn around time. I wasn't expecting it until tomorrow or Weds. Unfortunately, it is supposed to be raining tomorrow and them I'm leaving for devils creek dual sport ride so I won't be able to test it until Monday.
 

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Got it installed today and took a short ride around the block due to rain. The engine braking is gone. To the point of having to learn the bike again....as in hardly no engine braking and having to use the brakes a lot more. The on off throttle response is perfect. No more jerk. Not sure about horse power improvements but the traction control light was flashing in 3rd under acceleration( wet pavement) but hadnt noticed that before. All in all I am very satisfied with Anthony's flash.
 

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It will throw the traction control light on mide 2 with the e07 in first so I wll say their is a horsepower increase.
 

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Update on Anthony's reflash after 2 weeks. The st is completely transformed and braking is almost all gone and there is major difference in power response. The twitchy throttle is almost gone is much smoother. In touring mode is much less responsive with some engine braking but is still smooth. The down sides of the flash is I when from 47 average mpg to 41, you have to brake more now and theres still a little bit of the on/off feeling left. All in all I would did it a 9/10 and working with Anthony was easy.
 

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I, too got my '16 ECU reflashed by Anthony with T-light/S-enhanced maps. As other members mentioned, s-mode response was more linear/useable. But the fact that engine brake was removed (de-cel injector cut disabled) made me a little bit uncomfortable in turns since I used to rely on engine brake to control entry speed of a turn. This didn't fit my riding style so I had Anthony restored engine brake.

Another interesting fact is that my fuel economy dropped from 45 to 37...could be my right-hand problems because I twisted it wide open more often...
 

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I too suffered an initial drop in fuel economy after Anthony's flash. The mileage returned to normal after I learned to tame the hooligan wrist......the improvement in responsiveness, especially in the first 3 gears, had me hammering on the old girl.
 

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Thanks for the greatly reduced mpg reports now I will simply forget about any kind of flash.
Read post directly above, +1
The flash doesn't reduce mpg your wrist does. Bike is so much more responsive and so much more fun throttle begs to be twisted. My buddy with an unflashed Tenere rode mine and swore my clutch was slipping. It wasn't slipping and 50k miles later I still have my original clutch. It spools up the rpms in lower gears so much faster he thought the clutch had to be slipping. Lol

My flashed 2013 has got 57.5 mpg on a tank riding speed limits. My lifetime average over 140k miles is 40 mpg. Gen 1 are said to get slightly less mpg than Gen 2 also I think.

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I don’t think my mileage got worse with the flash, and if it did it was wrist induced. I’m not too concerned with ekeing out maximum mpg anyway. I wouldnt be riding a 1200+ anything if that were the case.
 
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Read post directly above, +1
The flash doesn't reduce mpg your wrist does. Bike is so much more responsive and so much more fun throttle begs to be twisted. My buddy with an unflashed Tenere rode mine and swore my clutch was slipping. It wasn't slipping and 50k miles later I still have my original clutch. It spools up the rpms in lower gears so much faster he thought the clutch had to be slipping. Lol

My flashed 2013 has got 57.5 mpg on a tank riding speed limits. My lifetime average over 140k miles is 40 mpg. Gen 1 are said to get slightly less mpg than Gen 2 also I think.

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I have to disagree. The bottom line is the flash increases fuel to the throttle bodies. This results in decreased MPG no matter how mellow you are on the throttle. I have had 2 different bikes dyno tuned. Both times they ran leaner in OEM configuration. After they were tuned, the Stoichiometric AFR became fuel rich. On my XR650R I decided to go up even richer to help the motor run cooler in the desert.

These bikes come very lean from the factory. There is no possible way that a re-flash is going to yield better mileage.

Think about it. Whenever you are decreasing the engine braking, there is more fuel being added. This engine braking is a common complaint among a lot of Super Tenere owners. I actually love the engine braking in Sport mode. I use the clutch to control how much I need when reducing throttle.

More fuel = less engine braking
Less fuel = more engine braking

When we ran carbs in the desert, I would go up at least 2 sizes in the pilot and raise the needle. The engine braking would decrease by a noticeable amount. But it would save the motor in the technical rock sections when the engine would get super hot.
 

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IN OUR OWN MIND WE ARE ALL RIGHT. Riding behind someone who uses mostly engine braking is not fun. Your warning that he is rapidly slowing down is reduced.

I would say I lost 2-3 MPG. It's not a high mileage commuter so a non issue.
 

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Actually have to agree with the wrist things. I have felt the need to crack the throttle more because its fun and engine braking is subjective. I have gotten use to it and sometimes my mind is still anticipating the brake even after two weeks. But man the bike is much more controllable at low speeds and in traffic!!! Ive been trying to pay more attention to my itchy wrist and keeping it on cruise in 6th gear as much as possible and its looks to be 44 as apposed to 47 before the flash. Which would make sense because the engine braking has been greatly reduced. Also with the increased responsiveness it would make sense mpg take dump if you doing a lot. So do I regret it ? Hell no and its still a 9/10 in my book.
 

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I have to disagree. The bottom line is the flash increases fuel to the throttle bodies. This results in decreased MPG no matter how mellow you are on the throttle. I have had 2 different bikes dyno tuned. Both times they ran leaner in OEM configuration. After they were tuned, the Stoichiometric AFR became fuel rich. On my XR650R I decided to go up even richer to help the motor run cooler in the desert.

These bikes come very lean from the factory. There is no possible way that a re-flash is going to yield better mileage.

Think about it. Whenever you are decreasing the engine braking, there is more fuel being added. This engine braking is a common complaint among a lot of Super Tenere owners. I actually love the engine braking in Sport mode. I use the clutch to control how much I need when reducing throttle.

More fuel = less engine braking
Less fuel = more engine braking

When we ran carbs in the desert, I would go up at least 2 sizes in the pilot and raise the needle. The engine braking would decrease by a noticeable amount. But it would save the motor in the technical rock sections when the engine would get super hot.
I'm not sure the flash adds fuel. How do you know that? Biggest difference is it removes restrictions in gears 1-3. Need to ask the programmer if interested instead of making assumptions. I can say that my flash didn't impact my mpg. And I have detailed records for all of my 140k miles. I can tell by my mpg tracking when I switched to 50/50 tires, when I added panniers, when I had low tire pressure, when I cruised I-10 for 1,000 miles at 85-90 mph and when I rode a tank at speed limit being easy on the throttle and light on brakes to achieve 57.5 mpg. Same tracking shows wrist to wrist a reflash didn't impact my mpg.

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I’m thinking it must add some at the factory lean parts of the rev range. No matter, I’d give up some mpg for better fueling.
To be clear, I was ok with the factory settings, but for me the flash makes it better.
 
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