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Crosstourer is 4 cylinders it more a touring bike than an adventure
ST is my favourite because i already bought it
ST is my favourite because i already bought it
2012 Honda Crosstourer (VFR1200X)
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Looks like Mother Honda is going forward with the Cross-Tourer.....
http://www.gizmag.com/honda-announces-new-v4-adventure-sports-tourer-the-crosstourer/20226/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=7bec04e121-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
http://www.gizmag.com/honda-announces-new-v4-adventure-sports-tourer-the-crosstourer/20226/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=7bec04e121-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email
It seems to me that Honda has lost its way. Many of their bikes answer questions that no one has asked, in my opinion. I have owned 3 Hondas and thoroughly enjoyed them all. But lately the company seems rudderless. That said, competition is always a good thing and who knows how this will influence other OEM's ADV bikes.
No but it does make "a vibrant off road image" which it seems is the thing a lot of people buy them for, Just like the SUV / Soft roader market.dcstrom said:
There are Patrols / Land Crushers / Land Rovers and then there are a pile of those those jacked up cars.
I am glad that YAMAHA pushed the big fat traily toward the dirty end of the spectrum not the street end. That is what is getting a bit annoying about the Strom, which is why I was looking and, frankly dreading a bit, a KTM or GSA.
The S10 solved the problem. Just about the right amount of dirty without being a complete pig for the big highway miles. Although just like our favourite Dutchman, I was a bit skeptical at first.
So this is how I see it now as far as the fat ADV piggies are concerned.
[DIRTY END] .....KTM990.....S10...GSA..GS....................MTS........XDRESSER.TRIUMPH 1200.VERSYS1000................................R1..[STREET END]
And these are the bikes that will actually be taken off road on average..
Always[.................KTM.......S10.....................................GSA........................VERSYS1000.....MTS..TRIUMPH 1200..XDRESSER.......GS........R1.] Never
Now we can start arguing about the points, dots, get it....
I've owned five Hondas. Four of them were Honda V4s, and they were all just stellar machines. I'd love to have a bike that was like the Super10, except for having a Honda V4 in it. If Honda really does bring the Crosstourer, and doesn't bring it with some dealbreaker like the tiny tank on the VFR1200F, then I will be lusting like crazy.
But after ten years of longing for a new Honda V4 shafty that I could take touring*, and getting disappointed first by the ST1300 which was crippled by the terrible ergo issues, and then by the VFR1200F which was crippled by lousy range, I am not holding my breath anymore. The CrossTourer sounds promising, but the ST13 and the VFR12 were both preceded by years of rumor and speculation that made them sound perfect, too, and look what we got? And even if they bring it and it is all that, I can wait a year or three to add one to the stable, and get it cheaper.
The Super10 is pretty darned near perfect, after all.
* I consider "adventure touring" to be an oxymoron, because all my tours are adventures! Why would I take a boring tour?
But after ten years of longing for a new Honda V4 shafty that I could take touring*, and getting disappointed first by the ST1300 which was crippled by the terrible ergo issues, and then by the VFR1200F which was crippled by lousy range, I am not holding my breath anymore. The CrossTourer sounds promising, but the ST13 and the VFR12 were both preceded by years of rumor and speculation that made them sound perfect, too, and look what we got? And even if they bring it and it is all that, I can wait a year or three to add one to the stable, and get it cheaper.
The Super10 is pretty darned near perfect, after all.
* I consider "adventure touring" to be an oxymoron, because all my tours are adventures! Why would I take a boring tour?
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Honda makes a good product and has always had some leading edge technology bikes but in the last few years their pricing has gotten out of hand, at least for me. 16 grand for a VFR1200 sport tourer with no touring amenities.
That's great Graham, but I don't geddit. Can't you simplify, make it look a bit more like this?GrahamD said:[DIRTY END] .....KTM990.....S10...GSA..GS....................MTS........XDRESSER.TRIUMPH 1200.VERSYS1000................................R1..[STREET END]
And these are the bikes that will actually be taken off road on average..
Always[.................KTM.......S10.....................................GSA........................VERSYS1000.....MTS..TRIUMPH 1200..XDRESSER.......GS........R1.] Never
Now we can start arguing about the points, dots, get it....
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Oh no, not again!!GrahamD said:
My concern with a v4 in an adv bike is how it's tuned. Can they get the low end grunt out of it to work for the slow speed crawling that an adv bike needs to do?
It will be top heavy, by design I don't think there's a way around that. If they put a large tank on it, it will be even more top heavy. Might be comparable to a GSA w/all the fuel.. not sure.
I like my ST1300, it's a keeper, smooth as silk a 300 mile range and comfortable, with a diff seat of course.. LOL
Time will tell, the pricing is also an issue, if this thing is going to be $20k, it will be a flop IMO.
It will be top heavy, by design I don't think there's a way around that. If they put a large tank on it, it will be even more top heavy. Might be comparable to a GSA w/all the fuel.. not sure.
I like my ST1300, it's a keeper, smooth as silk a 300 mile range and comfortable, with a diff seat of course.. LOL
Time will tell, the pricing is also an issue, if this thing is going to be $20k, it will be a flop IMO.
Since it has about the same equipment and is based on the VFR, there is little reason not to think it won't be priced like the VFR - around $16K with ABS but without bags or DCT.Mellow said:
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I just have the wrong body, I'm afraid. My legs are so long and my torso so short, that the ST13 is terrible for me. I want to slide all the way forward, just to reach the bars, but when I do that, my shins press into the fairing lowers all the way down. I can't relax because the curved bodywork slides my knees apart as I press forward, and worst of all, my size 43 feet won't reach the shift lever with my shins in the fairing like that. If I sit back a few inches, the angles change and I can reach the shifter (barely), but then I can't reach the bars. I end up having to take my left foot off the footpeg, wrap my leg around the outside of the fairing, and poke my toe at the shifter from outside the fairing. Terrible! The ST1100 had a little of this issue, which is why I never bought one even though I like them. I was hoping it would be improved on the ST1300 but instead, it was worse.Mellow said:
Adventure bikes are perfect for people with long legs and short torso. Every bike in the class fits me, so the Crosstourer should too, I hope.
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An interview with the XTour project leader in MCN today states that the team behind the bike were looking at a "fun touring" platform for the new V4 motor. I think the ADV style was just a by product of current thinking. They say they have concentrated on getting much more bottom end and midrange out of the VFR12 motor. Should be good fun on the twisties - but i don't think it'll be in the same league as the S10 for rough stuff.
From all I've read I have to agree.Paulvt1 said:
I think the S10 and the GS are in their own class. Multistrada on the other end of the spectrum and the Honda in the middle. Not sure where the Trophy sits, sure looks like it's more in the off-road category but not w/alum wheels - IMO - maybe between the S10 and the Honda - I just don't know much about the Triumph, heck I just don't know much in general.. LOL
Well this is a huge assumption, but I suspect the big Triumph has sacrificed a bit of frame strength to allow the weight to come in on par.
It may be a bit "chattery" in the rough like the smaller bikes. But I was a bit sceptical about the S10 as well. Thought I would have to go and buy a KTM. which may be fine but I work with a guy that has had two and they both have been unreliable.
Made me nervous.
It may be a bit "chattery" in the rough like the smaller bikes. But I was a bit sceptical about the S10 as well. Thought I would have to go and buy a KTM. which may be fine but I work with a guy that has had two and they both have been unreliable.
Made me nervous.
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How can it be an oxymoron if you're saying that adventure and touring go together?elizilla said:* I consider "adventure touring" to be an oxymoron, because all my tours are adventures! Why would I take a boring tour?
I like the look of the Honda, many European (and especially UK) riders never take to dirt, there are very few places to ride off-road near me, nor are there trails and tracks.
I got an Adventure bike for a few reasons:
1. It stopped me doing 150mph everywhere
2. It is comfy at all speeds on all roads
3. It is far more fun as sportsbikes are only compatible with about 20% of UK roads (and they are the ones with 80% of the traffic on them)
The ability to off-road is just an added bonus, but I actually run road tyres as it won't go anywhere worse than an unpaved road, certiainly not across mud or sand. Generally I run on lesser used roads which are often a bit bumpy or poorly surfaced which is where the Adventure bike riding position and bars work.
The Honda may be ideal for me, better high speed cruising on my 800 mile (Mainly motorway) journey to the Alps, smoother 4 cylinder engine and plenty of power to pull a bike loaded with two people and a fortnights luggage, as long as it handles well and pulls from low down for the Alpine switchbacks (Where the S10's restricted lower gears will be a problem) it could be a cracking bike for people like me.
Probably gonna costy a fortune and have a crap tank range, but at the moment is a potential contender.
I got an Adventure bike for a few reasons:
1. It stopped me doing 150mph everywhere
2. It is comfy at all speeds on all roads
3. It is far more fun as sportsbikes are only compatible with about 20% of UK roads (and they are the ones with 80% of the traffic on them)
The ability to off-road is just an added bonus, but I actually run road tyres as it won't go anywhere worse than an unpaved road, certiainly not across mud or sand. Generally I run on lesser used roads which are often a bit bumpy or poorly surfaced which is where the Adventure bike riding position and bars work.
The Honda may be ideal for me, better high speed cruising on my 800 mile (Mainly motorway) journey to the Alps, smoother 4 cylinder engine and plenty of power to pull a bike loaded with two people and a fortnights luggage, as long as it handles well and pulls from low down for the Alpine switchbacks (Where the S10's restricted lower gears will be a problem) it could be a cracking bike for people like me.
Probably gonna costy a fortune and have a crap tank range, but at the moment is a potential contender.
