MattR
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Easy to rectify. Just vote them outTrump, Putin, the U.K. Government, and any other 3rd. World Country Dictator that you care to mention etc, etc
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Easy to rectify. Just vote them outTrump, Putin, the U.K. Government, and any other 3rd. World Country Dictator that you care to mention etc, etc
In the UK, election spending is very tightly controlled and all donations are scrutinised. A party that exceeds the allocated spend can be fined. All politicians have to declare any donations they get and any interest they have in a subject as a result of lobbying. They usually have to recluse themselves from subject.It comes down to the fact that in a lot of cases the lobbyists that own them pour copious amounts of cash into each re-election campaign, far outspending any of the challengers and effectively buying an election.
This is understood and a price that those of us pushing for term limits are willing to pay. The corollary is that we get the ones that we don't like or trust out in two terms, no questions asked. The biggest advantage is that we don't get lifetime politicians, who no longer "serve" their constituents but instead see their position as a career......the gathering of wealth and power become a priority (secondary of course to maintaining thier seat by cowtowing to whomever has the largest checkbook).
Shame you can’t talk about it without getting angry. We need to take angry out of politics. Facebook and Twitter are products of an unregulated free market economy. It was bound to go wrong because big business has no scruples. Same with the sub prime bank crash in 2008. It was obviously going to happen but they were allowed to continue anyway. Regulation is essential if you want to stop big business riding rough shod over society.McConnell and the others who turned their back on the hairy pumpkin are just scared to death to lose their financial support and their jod or worse, be indicted. Not beacause they finally seen the light and tried to put an end to Trumps stupidities. Just look at Facebook, Twitter and the others. While Trump was in power, they were happy to get the revenu generated by all those clicks and just when Trump was getting the boot, they all turned their back to him to save the last bit of dignity they have. Hypocrits.
Maybe the time to close and/or delete this thread as come. Enough time as been spent on this very polarizing topic. It's either you won your election or you believe it was stolen. That doesn't make any sense. If you lose, its automaticaly fraud? Come on, Trump lost fair and square any still lamenting over this fact is only going to deepen the divide between americans. Yeah, maybe Biden is not the best choice but he was elected by the people. Those not happy with that fact, well, just vote in the next election for who you think will run your country best.
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I agree, those people need an outlet but it is my belief that a motorcycle forum and one talking about our beloved S10, is not hte place to get in that sort of discution. I'm sure some will agree with me and others wont, thats the way it is. I'll probably be leavin this forum because I tought I found a place where I could get away from all that is bad with this world.
To all of you, please stay safe and ride safe.
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Then it’s our fault. I see it in the UK and it is most apparent in areas that are less educated and have been persuaded by short, simple sound bites to vote for things that will harm them. Case in point: Scottish fisherman who voted for Brexit only to find that they can’t sell their catches to the EU any more due to the delays in customs checks. These guys have just parked up 20 trucks full of rotting shell fish outside Parliament in protest.Not when sheeple are doing the voting. They never question the hypocrisy. Just sitting there with a Kool-aid I.V. drip.
Well, this working class peon thinks that socialism is a bad thing because. . . . Socialism works by sharing the wealth with those that produce the wealth in the first place. The workers. Somehow, the ultra rich in the UK and the US have convinced working class people that this is a bad thing.
Yes, we did...'And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
...So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue". That doesn't sound like "break in the capital and beat up congress". It sounds like my high school football coach jacking us up for a game away from home. We knew what he meant.
Shame you can’t talk about it without getting angry. We need to take angry out of politics. Facebook and Twitter are products of an unregulated free market economy. It was bound to go wrong because big business has no scruples. Same with the sub prime bank crash in 2008. It was obviously going to happen but they were allowed to continue anyway. Regulation is essential if you want to stop big business riding rough shod over society.
Conservatism is based on the idea that if you support the wealth creators some of that wealth will trickle down to the workers. But that doesn’t work any more. Modern conservatives have become masters at keeping all the wealth for themselves and reducing their contributions to society at all levels. That’s why the gap between the rich and the poor has grown so wide. The poor now pay a much greater proportion of their wages in tax.
Socialism works by sharing the wealth with those that produce the wealth in the first place. The workers. Somehow, the ultra rich in the UK and the US have convinced working class people that this is a bad thing.
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Do you know what % of benefits claimants are lazy asses? I bet it’s really small. In the UK it’s 0.2%. But many claimants have to claim because they don’t get paid enough to live off by their employers. These people are working hard doing jobs you wouldn’t want to do but don’t get paid enough to live on. So the tax payer pays the difference to make their wages up to the living wage. Meanwhile the greedy selfish business owners pay them selves dividends whilst we subsidise their wage Bill. These are the people we should go afterWell, this working class peon thinks that socialism is a bad thing becauseyouwe have a ton ass of lazy pieces of s**t here that are happy to live off the working class. Free medicine. . . . free college. . . . share the wealth? Ass, gas, or grass. . . . nobody rides for free. Who's paying for all of that free shit? Not the ones partaking of it, they don't work. Maybe their mommies, and daddies? Me, and the rest of the working class for sure. If covid had not happened, the election would have had an entirely different outcome. Think about those implications.
As a working class chap, would you vote for a free healthcare system (like our NHS)? Free to everyone at the point of service (of course it’s not free, we pay National insurance) This system disproportionately benefits the working class but many have been persuaded by the elites that we should swap to an American style insurance system.Well, this working class peon thinks that socialism is a bad thing becauseyouwe have a ton ass of lazy pieces of s**t here that are happy to live off the working class. Free medicine. . . . free college. . . . share the wealth? Ass, gas, or grass. . . . nobody rides for free. Who's paying for all of that free shit? Not the ones partaking of it, they don't work. Maybe their mommies, and daddies? Me, and the rest of the working class for sure. If covid had not happened, the election would have had an entirely different outcome. Think about those implications.
We knew what he meant.
That pretty much sums up the disconnect between those who had a problem with the last president, and those who did not.Yes, we did...
That pretty much sums up the disconnect between those who had a problem with the last president, and those who did not.
I agree
One group saw him as a relentlessly optimistic, patriotic guy with a sense of humor - the let's shoot migrants in the legs humour? They didn't take his words seriously, Not surprised: Inject bleach? they did take his policy actions very seriously. Completing the wall? Getting Mexico to pay? Healthcare?
The other group took every word he said seriously, knew 95% was fabrication could never detect a humorous intent in anything he ever said maybe dark humour was his greatest hidden facet This perspective overrode any serious evaluation of his policy actions what actions?
You probably did not bring molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, handcuffs, pepper spray, mace, tasers, and guns to your high school football game. There was one person who could have stopped the invasion of the capitol and he was watching it on TV.'And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
...So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue". That doesn't sound like "break in the capital and beat up congress". It sounds like my high school football coach jacking us up for a game away from home. We knew what he meant.
Year 19-20 that resulted in £4.6billion in over payments or 2.4%, money that could of gone to people that are truly in need. That relates to benefit fraud or error, that’s just what’s known. I have no doubt that the real figures are much higher.Do you know what % of benefits claimants are lazy asses? I bet it’s really small. In the UK it’s 0.2%. But many claimants have to claim because they don’t get paid enough to live off by their employers. These people are working hard doing jobs you wouldn’t want to do but don’t get paid enough to live on. So the tax payer pays the difference to make their wages up to the living wage. Meanwhile the greedy selfish business owners pay them selves dividends whilst we subsidise their wage Bill. These are the people we should go after
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I can agree with your comments on the freeloaders who are taking advantage of the taxpayers. Did you know that when Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, Welfare, FHA and even VA loans, were introduced they were viewed as socialistic programs? Are these bad things? Sure, there are a lot of fraudulent claims in these programs that need to be addressed, but I'm sure almost every US citizen has or will use one of these programs at some time.Well, this working class peon thinks that socialism is a bad thing becauseyouwe have a ton ass of lazy pieces of s**t here that are happy to live off the working class. Free medicine. . . . free college. . . . share the wealth? Ass, gas, or grass. . . . nobody rides for free. Who's paying for all of that free shit? Not the ones partaking of it, they don't work. Maybe their mommies, and daddies? Me, and the rest of the working class for sure. If covid had not happened, the election would have had an entirely different outcome. Think about those implications.
I just put a couple quotes I'm familiar with and am sure that is that is the position Trump's defense will take and it would probably be fine for a normal crowd.'And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
...So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue". That doesn't sound like "break in the capital and beat up congress". It sounds like my high school football coach jacking us up for a game away from home. We knew what he meant.
You put your finger on the heart of our US election problem - MoneyIn the UK, election spending is very tightly controlled and all donations are scrutinised. A party that exceeds the allocated spend can be fined. All politicians have to declare any donations they get and any interest they have in a subject as a result of lobbying.