Service intervals and the differences between manuals

Anyone know why the Service manual has shorter periodic maintenance intervals than the Owners manual?

Both manuals call for initial maintenance at 600 miles/1,000 kms. After that the intervals are different. The Service manual calls for subsequent maintenance at 4,000 miles/7,000 kms, then 8,000 miles/13,000 kms, 12,000 miles/19,000 kms and so on, whereas the Owners manual goes 6,000 miles/10,000 kms, 12,000 miles/20,000 kms, 18,000 miles/30,000 kms, etc.

Cheers, David

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One is for US bikes and the other is for European?
I think that has been discussed before.
Americans love to change the oil. We think anything longer than 3-4k miles is fishy.

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Yes, sounds like you have a Euro service manual and a US (or Canadian) owner's manual. If you have the US service manual, the intervals match up. As to why the Euros are different, most think it is just because 10K km is a round number and the competition (BMW) is 10K. Service intervals and warranty terms are set by the importer, not Yamaha.

- Mark

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Still confused. Canadian bike. Service manual purchased from Canadian dealer. Perhaps I will ask Yamaha Canada for clarification. Cheers, David

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Fatallybitten said:

Still confused. Canadian bike. Service manual purchased from Canadian dealer. Perhaps I will ask Yamaha Canada for clarification.

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If you do, I'd be interested in what they say. The 10K km Euro vs. 4K mile USA service-interval discrepancy is well known, but I can't speak to the Canadian situation. I have both US and Euro service manuals and they're definitely different with respect to these service intervals.

- Mark

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It probably has to do with rounding the numbers up but 4k miles is 6437 km so 'Merica does have you service a tad more often (since i follow my Service Manual intervals) Although as an Aviation Electricians Mate in the US Navy preventative maintenance is a huge player in keeping the jets and your Super Tenere working at optimal levels and I'll use a excerpt out of my navy maint manual: ::024::
"The primary goal of maintenance is to avoid or mitigate the consequences of failure of equipment." and
"Preventive maintenance is conducted to keep equipment working and/or extend the life of the equipment."

So keep that in mind even if its just "changing your oil" alittle more often since i have seen first hand what postponing maintenance will do and how much it costs to repair if not replace million dollar components, so do take that extra step. ::002::

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I think what is more important than changing your oil every 5 miles is doing the other work....

Greasing suspension linkages / steering head bearings / changing fork oil / cleaning callipers / lubing throttle linkages etc.

I find these other items are often skipped by both owners and dealers and often by the time this lack of maintenance is noticeable so instead of needing some grease here and there you're your replacing bushes / bearings or wrestling with removing components for a couple of days.

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No confusion. Canada gets EU spec bikes. Red key, ECU anti-theft system and all. The owner's manual reflects this, and specs the service interval the same as all the other EU spec bikes. The printed service manual is probably the North American version, or perhaps they are all the same for English Language? If NA version, there are more US bikes sold than Canadian ones, so they probably just went with the silly US version of shorter service intervals. There is no reason to change the oil at 4k unless you want to. Many split the difference for ease of remembering when to do it. Others just change the oil when they feel the shifting getting notchy.

Do what makes you happy, and don't stress about the different intervals printed in the two reference materials.

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I change the oil when the shifting is notchy, that is usually WELL before 4k miles unfortunately.

ac

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Sailxx (and a few others) reveal that my bike is gonna pretty much be trouble free for many more thousands of miles. I only assume they did "normal" maintenance to this point. They have never said otherwise.

It's one of the real pleasures of climbing up on it and heading out. They just don't break.

Service Intervals/ US

because I am lazy rather than go out an pull the book from under the seat I Googled S10 service intervals which came back with all sorts of interesting answers depending on whether it was a Euro, Canadian, or US bike. This of course got me out to pull the book to confirm & in case you are looking for it, here goes: US spec bike, '14 Gen. 2, per the manual (XTZ12E(C):
-initial service at 600 miles
-oil changes every 4,000 miles
-final gear oil change at 16,000 miles
-coolant change ever three years
-air filter at 24,000
-valve check every 26,600

For the those of us familiar with certain opposed cylinder engines, you've got to love that valve check number in particular.

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I thought oil was 8k after a certain point.


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in the book that came with my bike it says 600/4K/8k/12k/16k/20k then repeat. It's the American spec bike tho, we like to change oil more often. I seem to recall the euro spec stretches that out a bit. They sort of like their beer thicker too, not that there is anything wrong with that, as long as it's cold....

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Davesax36 said:

I thought oil was 8k after a certain point.

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The oil filter is changed every second oil change, maybe that's what saw.

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Koinz said:

The oil filter is changed every second oil change, maybe that's what saw.

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That sounds way more reasonable. I knew the PO was lazy with maintenance... Gonna order some amsoil for my next couple changes. Currently running Rotella T6, which seems nice and smooth at almost 3k miles.

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if I'm going to change the oil, I almost always change the filter was well, it just doesn't take that much more time to do. Unless it's a cartridge filter or something like a Guzzi where you have to drop the pan to get at it, that I'd think twice about. Screw on filters right up front are a beautiful thing...

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rider33 said:

if I'm going to change the oil, I almost always change the filter was well, it just doesn't take that much more time to do. Unless it's a cartridge filter or something like a Guzzi where you have to drop the pan to get at it, that I'd think twice about. Screw on filters right up front are a beautiful thing...

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I agree...since it is so easy to accomplish at same time why the heck not

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Throttle Body Sync... every 4,000 miles (I can't find where this is published)

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I've been changing the oil on my 2012 S10 religiously every 4,000 miles. Recently, I finally downloaded and printed the Service Manual (about 600 pages). This service manual recommends oil changes every 6,000 miles. What is with that? Anyone know why the service manual would not be consistent with the owners manual? Can it be trusted?
Also, page 3-3 of the Service Manual says that all clutch and brake hoses should be replaced at 4 years AND if cracked or damaged. My lines look just fine. Maybe something is lost in translation and this should read: "Replace at 4 years if cracked and damaged". Is anyone else with a 2012 S10 replacing hoses in accord with this instruction?

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petebcca said:

I've been changing the oil on my 2012 S10 religiously every 4,000 miles. Recently, I finally downloaded and printed the Service Manual (about 600 pages). This service manual recommends oil changes every 6,000 miles. What is with that? Anyone know why the service manual would not be consistent with the owners manual? Can it be trusted?
Also, page 3-3 of the Service Manual says that all clutch and brake hoses should be replaced at 4 years AND if cracked or damaged. My lines look just fine. Maybe something is lost in translation and this should read: "Replace at 4 years if cracked and damaged". Is anyone else with a 2012 S10 replacing hoses in accord with this instruction?

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What brand of oil are you using in your 2012 that makes you the religious person you are and change it every 4,000 miles?